Little Dean Petty Sessions, 1889 wood theft (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, March 01, 2015, 00:31 (3549 days ago) @ DavidHankey

Hi David, you're welcome.

It looks like the same family group to me, clearly they were enduring very hard times, struggling to get food or firewood. Looking at some of the original PRs entries on Ancestry, very easy to see why the handwritten Malson, Melson and Milson have been mistranscribed as well as mis-recorded, but not MalsoMs etc.

Looking thro the PRs shows Elizabeth is an oft-used Milson/Melson/Malson name, but I can only find one David; his parents' details seem correct, here are his family's Baptisms;

Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel

1861 MALSON David, George & Elizabeth, Hawthorns, Mason, Drybrook
1864 MALSON Levi, George & Elizabeth, Hawthorns, Stone Mason, Drybrook
1866 MALSON Eliza, George & EZ, The Hawthorns, Mason, Drybrook,
1868 MALSON Elizabeth, George & Elizabeth, Drybrook Mason, Drybrook
1876 MALSON Mark Edward, George & Elizabeth, The Morse, Stone Mason, Drybrook

So David born 1861, so aged 15 when described as a "boy" caught with his mother in 1878.

GlosBMD gives this Marriage;
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MALSON George JONES Elizabeth Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1860 1 260
MALSON George BANNISTER Elizabeth Forest of Dean Drybrook Holy Trinity 1860 1 260

The full PR shows George is a Mason of the Hawthorns (ie Drybrook Quarry), both are Widows

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The mother Eliza of the following births is the above-mentioned daughter of George and Elizabeth, so David's younger sister. My post showing her marriage to Thos Cooper shows David as a witness, he was 29yrs then.

Year Parents_Surname Child_Forenames Fathers_Forenames Mothers_Forenames Mothers_Surname Residence Occupation Parish_Chapel
1885 MILSON Conrad, [not stated], Eliza, Nailbridge, [not stated], Drybrook
1889 MALSON Thomas Barnard, [not stated], Eliza, Haywood Lane, Drybrook

HOWEVER as well as the above Baptisms there are several Malson Burials abt this time in this same Micheldean/Abenhall & nearby Drybrook areas, some of which from our Drybrook branch of what I suspect is the same extended family;

Year Month Day Surname Forenames Residence Age_at_death Parish_Chapel
1867 Aug 31 MALSON Hannah, Haywood Lodge 66 Drybrook
1874 Apr 5 MALSON Mark #, The Hawthornes 30 Drybrook
1876 Sep 7 MALSON Mark Edward, Morse Lane 6 months Drybrook

# Mark Malson dies aged 30, the year after witnessing sister Maria's marriage(below).
Ref PR and GlosBMD, Mark is son of George & MARY Malson nee Budding, in Abenhall.

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MALSON Mark MALSON MALSON BUDDING 1842 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 4 201

The 1889 wood theft case includes married woman Maria Phillips, as well as Eliza and Elizabeth Malson - (says they reside at Cinderford but this is very near Drybrook and much bigger/main town, standard newspaper style).
Maria Phillips is Elizabeth & George Malson's daughter;

Record_ID: 4640
Entry_Number: 105
Year: 1873
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: PHILLIPS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Drybrook
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phillips (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor
Brides_Surname: MALSON
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age: 21 Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Drybrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: George
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Mark Malson
Witness_2: Sarah Phillips
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: P412

So Maria born abt 1852, could this be her Birth ?, from GlosBMD;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
MALSON Female MALSON 1852 Forest of Dean Westbury on Severn, Newnham 12 456

Record_ID: 21039
Entry_Number: 149
Year: 1888
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: MALSON
Grooms_Forenames: Levi
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal miner
Grooms_Residence: Nailbridge
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Malson
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Stone mason
Brides_Surname: HAWKINS
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Lydbrook
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hawkins
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Eliza Malson
Witness_2: Henry Watkins
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 75
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex_Groom: M425
Soundex_Bride: H252