Arthur Saunders' family, WW1 Soldiers ? (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, January 28, 2018, 20:25 (2484 days ago) @ pauline anne

Hi Pauline,
we'll try and help as best we can, but it's difficult as we don't know all the other men in your family tree, so can only guess at who might have died in WW1.

I see this is one of your prior threads which is a guide
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=30507

I presume this PR is the Arthur you mention, it seems to fit but would be nice if you can please confirm this as you don't give a placename ?.

Record_ID: 295471
Entry_Number: 445
Year: 1891
Month: Sep
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: SAUNDERS
Child_Forenames: Arthur
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Queen Street
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: R.Maynard Turner
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 31st Aug[us]t 1891 [along bottom of entry]
Notes:
Register_Reference: 851113
Page_Number: 56
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: S536

Using Advanced Search we can find these Baptisms which appear to have the same parents, I think "John James" and "John" are one and the same, hopefully they agree with your findings ?. (The full PRs may be found in this site's database);

Year Surname Child Forenames. Parent's Names. Residence. Occupation. Parish Chapel
1883 SAUNDERS Albert Henry. John James Palmer & Sarah. Albert St[reet]. Sailor. Lydney
1884 SAUNDERS John. John James Palmer & Sarah. Albert St[reet]. Waterman .Lydney
1886 SAUNDERS Ann. John & Sarah. Albert St[reet]. Workman. Lydney
1888 SAUNDERS Charles. John & Sarah. Cross Hands. Railway Labourer. Lydney
1891 SAUNDERS Arthur. John & Sarah. Queen Street. Labourer. Lydney
1893 SAUNDERS Christina Gertrude. John & Sarah. Lydney. Lock man (Lydney Lock Lydney

Parent's marriage.

Record_ID: 154579
Entry_Number: 470
Year: 1880
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: SAUNDERS
Grooms_Forenames: John James Palmer
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: mariner
Grooms_Residence: Newnham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Saunders
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William Naylor
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: carpenter
Brides_Surname: BEARD
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Beard
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: tinworker
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: John Palmer
Witness_2: Eliza Lane
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: TJ Weight curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/13
Page_Number: 235
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
Soundex_Groom: S536
Soundex_Bride: B630

Sadly,

Record_ID: 202998
Entry_Number: 292
Year: 1896
Month: May
Day: 19
Surname: SAUNDERS
Forenames: John James Palmer
Residence: Lydney
Age_at_death: 39 y[ea]rs
Officiating_Minister: J.C.E.Besant
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: [Besant underlined]
Register_Reference: Lydney P209 IN 1/14
Page_No: 37
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: S536

Looking at the males (potential servicemen) in the above list of children, can find these marriages (the first appears to confirm John Palmer & John are same person);

Record_ID: 126085
Entry_Number: 111
Year: 1911
Month: Apr
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: SAUNDERS
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tinplate worker
Grooms_Residence: Lydney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Saunders
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: SANDFORD
Brides_Forenames: Florence May
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Sandford
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Albert
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Tinplate worker
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Albert Henry Sandford
Witness_2: Chrissie Saunders
Other_Witnesses: Percy Sandford
Officiating_Minister: H B Parker Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Grooms father deceased
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/17
Page_Number: 56
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: S536
Soundex_Bride: S531

Record_ID: 126445
Entry_Number: 222
Year: 1925
Month: Jun
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: SAUNDERS
Grooms_Forenames: Albert Henry
Grooms_Age: 41
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tinplate Worker
Grooms_Residence: Lydney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Saunders
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Dockman
Brides_Surname: REES
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth Margaret
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lydney
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Rees
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Railway guard
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Frederick James Pennington
Witness_2: Violet Irene Rees
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John C E Besant Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/18
Page_Number: 111
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: S536
Soundex_Bride: R200

So clearly Albert survived the War, FreeBMD has;

Deaths Mar 1964
SAUNDERS ALBERT H 81 F.OF DEAN 7B 468

What about John b1884 and Charles b1888 ?

NOT certain yet, as not rare names locally, so need to trace bia Census' etc, but this looks very much like John b1884, so he clearly survived WW1;

Record_ID: 205580
Entry_Number: 473
Year: 1944
Month: Nov
Day: 16
Surname: SAUNDERS
Forenames: John
Residence: 39 Albert Street
Age_at_death: 60
Officiating_Minister: L P Jones Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/38
Page_No: 60
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex: S536

Again it's NOT a rare name, but thus far cannot find a clear Burial locally for Charles b1888, either on FoD PRs or in FreeBMD.
Similarly cannot find his marriage, so maybe be also died during WW1 ?.

Sadly there are several Charles and C Saunders listed on CWGC site. This site appears to have been "improved" since I last visited it....
If Charles did die during the WW1 and is one of the men listed, if we're lucky his entry may be unambiguous - i.e it includes additional notes refering to his home address or parents.
https://www.cwgc.org/find