Charles Ward son of John Burns, illigit to Phoebe Marshall (General)

by Simone , Saturday, February 23, 2008, 10:50 (6188 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi

George's daughter Sarah Ward (born Marshall) married John Watkins in 1878. A witness at the wedding was Phoebe Ward
1871 census at Joyford

RG10; Piece: 5300; Folio: 65

Name Age
Alum Ward 1
Charles Ward 49
Charlotte Ward 44
Cornelius Ward 17
Elizabeth Ward 14
Phoebe Ward 13
Thomas Ward 6

Marriage for Charles Ward
Record_ID: 2251
Entry Number: 26
Year: 1846
Month: Aug
Day: 29
Groom Surname: WARD
Groom Forenames: Charles
Groom Age at Marriage: 24
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Collier
Groom Residence: Christchurch
Groom Father's Surname: Burns
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer
Bride Surname: HALE
Bride Forenames: Charlotte
Bride Age at Marriage: 20
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Christchurch
Bride Father's Surname: Hale
Bride Father's Forenames: George
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Collier
Licence or Banns: [not stated]
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness 1: Mark of Joseph Cooper
Witness 2: Mark of Lucy Cooper
Other witnesses: None
Officiating Minister: Thos R Garnsey
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda: -
Transcriber's Notes: -
Register Reference: PFC82 IN 1/7
Page No: 13
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex Groom: W630
Soundex Bride: H400

So Charles has same father as George.
Can't find baptism that fits for Charles Ward, but there is one that fits for Charles Marshall, illegitimate
Christchurch 1/9/1822
no father named
mother Phoebe? Marshall (gobbledeygook in middle of the name on record)

Charles is Ward in 1851, whereas George is still Marshal

HO107; Piece: 2444; Folio: 328 at Joyford
Charles Ward 29 Labourer
Charlott Ward 24
Eliza Ward 2
George Ward 4

So now I know that George had a brother Charles and his mother was Phoebe? More than likely anyway.
So who is mysterious Mr Burns. Could it be a name they made up? But why not make up one the same as theirs and why change to something totally different!

Can't find a Phoebe Marshall that fits but
1871 census at Joyford
RG10; Piece: 5300; Folio: 64
Phoebe Burns 81 widow b Westbury
she died in 1882 age 91

So could this be Phoebe having married John Burns?

Yikes, going round in circles here, but think I'm getting somewhere!!

Simone x