Forest of Dean FHT Forum - Hiam family

Hiam family (reply)

Janet25 — Fri, 12 Oct 2018 18:20:27 +0000

Interesting Mike that Rowe had two cases without a custodial sentence between 1863 and 1865. You read of others who were transported for minor offences like stealing a pair of shoes.
Thank you
Janet

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Mike Pinchin — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:47:15 +0000

There are two newspaper entries which may refer to William Rowe, the husband of Sarah Hiams,

BNA Worcester Journal - Saturday 05 August 1865

COWARDLY ASSAULT AT CLAINES.— William Rowe, employed at Messrs. Hardy and Padmore's iron foundry, in this city, was summoned for assaulting Mary Ann Russell, a married woman, living in the Droitwich-road, Claines. The complainant, who appeared to be very ill, and was accommodated with a chair, stated that on the evening of the 24th of July, between nine and ten o’clock, she was standing in the turnpike road, when she heard the defendant coming down the road in a drunken state, cursing and swearing very badly. She retired into her own garden. The defendant came up, got over the wall into the garden, and asked for complainant’s husband, but on being told he could not see him, he struck complainant a severe blow on the jaw, and several other blows about the body. The defendant’s wife arrived on the spot, and tried to get him away; he then turned upon her and beat her. Case dismissed on defendant paying the costs.

BNA Worcestershire Chronicle - Wednesday 05 August 1863

ASSAULTING THE POLICE.—William Rowe was charged with assaulting P.C. Rudniski in the execution of his duty. The constable stated that between twelve and one that morning he watched the prisoner loitering about through Lansdowne and Lansdowne Crescent, and, as his movements were suspicious, he took him into custody. The prisoner was very violent and violently resisted. The wife of the prisoner was in court and entreated the Bench to deal leniently with her husband. She had, she said, four young children, and had only been confined three weeks. Mr. Superintendent Power recommended the prisoner to the merciful consideration of the court, in which he was joined by Rudniski, who said he did not wish to press the charge. He was, therefore, cautioned and discharged.

If this latter entry really is William and Sarah Rowe there should be two more children after Elizabeth Louisa and Sarah Jane.

From the GRO index this looks like them,

ROWE, MARY ANN Mother's Maiden Surname: HYAMS
GRO Reference: 1861 D [fourth] Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 269

ROWE, GEORGE ALFRED Mother's Maiden Surname: HYAMS
GRO Reference: 1863 S [third] Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 281

No other children registered in Worcester up to 1873.

GR 1871 Census, Worcester St Clements

Alfred James HIAM, Head, Mar, 25, Glover, b. Worcester
Catherine, Wife, Mar, 26, Nottingham
Thomas, Son, 3, Worcester, St Clements
George ROWE, 7, Worcester, St Clements

Ancestry

Name: William Edward Roe
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1836
Baptism Place: Cheltenham, St Mary, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cheltenham
Father: Edward Roe
Mother: Jane Roe

GR 1851 Census, Worcester

Edmund AMPHLETT, Head, Mar, 31, White Smith, b. St ??????, Worcester
Emily, Wife, Mar, 31, Gloveress, Claines, Worcestershire
Rose, Daur, 10, Extra Parochial, Worcester
Emily Mary, Daur, 8, St Martins, Worcester
Louisa, Daur, 5, Extra Parochial, Worcester
Julia, Daur, 3, Extra Parochial, Worcester
Lydia, Daur, 1, Extra Parochial, Worcester
Wm Roe, Adopted Son, 15, White Smith, Cheltenham

(In 1861 William and Sarah are living next door to the Amphletts)

Hiam family (reply)

Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 18:01:01 +0000

Since this message I have found an entry for Thomas Hiam marrying Elizabeth. Braithwaite on August 5 1827 at Worcester St Helens witnesses Charles and Eliza Baker. So Elizabeth could be the mother of Caroline born in 1828, rather than Elizabeth Hall
Many thanks
Janet

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Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:52:56 +0000

Thank you Mike I never knew Laura married again to John Cording.
The names Annie Heam and Laura Heam sound as though they were spoken by a Scot !
Janet

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Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:41:31 +0000

Hi Mike
Amongst some of my research I have found Ann Elizabeth Hiam married on May 2 1891 at St John Baptist Claines to Thomas Curnock a railway porter from Bilford grooms father Fredwas a timber loader.
On the same day and in the same church I find Walter Baldwin again a railway porter from Bilford marrying Laura Matilda Hiam.
Janet

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Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:33:14 +0000

Many thanks Jeff.
It is really interesting to read the occupations of our ancestors.
I have never heard of the surname Nurthurn before.
Janet

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Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:26:26 +0000

Thank you Mike
I am going to see if I can find where they lived in Worcester when I next go, perhaps check it on google earth first if the road is still there.
Janet

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Jefff — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:23:12 +0000

Thanks Janet, you're very welcome, I just hope it helps and fits your family.

By pure coincidence while searching this forum'sold threads regarding another post today, I've just stumbled across this very sad tale of a Hyam family in Monmouth. I have no idea whether they are linked to yours but thought it may interest you.

https://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=42927

Sad to say accidents of this type involving small children in busy kit-chens were only too common in the past, just as nighttime fires involving bare lamp and candle lights were. This forum and this site's "Inquest" database has seen many similar cases. Indeed, far less serious but still highly distrsssing at the time, my own mother still has a large scold mark down her leg from a similar accident at home in the 1940s.

atb J

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Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:17:51 +0000

Thank you for all this information Mike, so many things I didn’t know. George Hiam my Great Great Grandfather married for the second time to Charlotte Jones who was born in Claines in 1845 their children were Maud Elizabeth, Margaret Emma and George Henry. Who married Eva Burdock from Bourton on the water.
I hadn’t discovered who Ann Elizabeth was married to and it’s interesting to find the name Curnock. My father used to go to Ascot once a year in the 1950’s with a Mr Curnock !

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Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 17:04:23 +0000

Thank you Jeff for this amazing amount of information it is really appreciated.
I have Laura Matilda born in Claines in 1868 died in Worcester 1906. Her father was my Great Great Grandfather George Thomas Hiam and her mother Mary Raybould who died in 1871 aged 29.
Many thanks
Janet

Hiam family (reply)

Janet25 — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 16:45:54 +0000

Thank you Mike I have Laura as marrying Walter Baldwin in 1891 now this could be the connection to Gloucestershire.

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Jefff — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:10:41 +0000

FoD PRs confirm the above Walter Baldwin's father was indeed William, not Samuel.

Record_ID: 374588
Entry_Number: 334
Year: 1866
Month: Mar
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: BALDWIN
Child_Forenames: Walter
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Newent
Occupation: Bricklayer
Officiating_Minister: F.Harrison
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 42
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex: B435

His parent's marriage;

Record_ID: 143506
Entry_Number: 168
Year: 1847
Month: Jun
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: BALDWIN
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: Of f
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Mason
Grooms_Residence: Culver St.
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: BALDWIN
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Mason
Brides_Surname: KERSEY
Brides_Forenames: Hannah Marthia
Brides_Age: Of f
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Culver St.
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of James Holford
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Oakley
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John James Skally
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P225 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Newent
Soundex_Groom: B435
Soundex_Bride: K620

So why does GlosBMD show his mother's maiden name as Nurthen ?
Is this a real surname or an error ?
Is it relevant that her father is not named on the record ?.

Searching FreeBMD for all records with surname Nurthen, shows it is indeed a valid one albeit unusual.

Cannot find any earlier records for Hannah, but revisiting FamilySearch;

1851 Culvert St, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Baldwin Head M 24 Bricklayer. Newent, Gloucestershire
Hannah Baldwin Wife F 25 Newent, Gloucestershire
Albert W Baldwin Son M 3 Newent, Gloucestershire
Thomas Baldwin Son M 1 Newent, Gloucestershire

BUT I ALSO FIND THIS !

1851 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
John Kearsey Head M 43 Master miller. Prestbury, Gloucestershire
Mary Kearsey Wife F 42 Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire
Amelia Meek Visitor F 31 House servant. Weston Under Penyard, Herefordshire
John Beear Servant M 26 Journeyman Miller. East Down, Devonshire
William Baldwin M 16 Apprentice To Miller. Newent, Gloucestershire
John Chamberlain Servant M 45 Millers Loader. Blaisdon, Gloucestershire
George Coates Servant M 30 Labourer. Badgworth, Gloucestershire

Finally for now, searching this forum for "Kersey Newent" gave this prior post, which includes a mention of a Mark NURTHEN Kersey.. which is no surprise as this site's PR database includes over 100 Nuthern PRs, all in Newent or that area...
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=46224

Curiouser and curiouser ?????

Hiam family (reply)

shepway — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:54:27 +0000

The following Census Transcriptions from FMP should be of help:

1891
Astwood Road, Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Print View image Start free family tree Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
George Hiam Head Married Male 57 1834 Worcestershire, England Railway Porter
Charlotte Hiam Wife Married Female 45 1846 Worcestershire, England -
Margaret Emma ? Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Worcestershire, England Teacher Of Music
Maud Elizabeth Hiam Daughter - Female 11 1880 Worcestershire, England -
George Henry Thos Hiam Son - Male 10 1881 Worcestershire, England -
Walker Baldwin Boarder Single Male 25 1866 Gloucestershire, England Labourer On Railway

Stephenson Terrace, Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Print View image Start free family tree Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edward Woodhouse Head Single Male 63 1828 - -
Catherine Ball Housekeeper Single Female 43 1848 - Housekeeper
Annie Heam Cook Single Female 25 1866 Claines Cook Domestic
Laura Heam Housemaid Single Female 23 1868 Claines Housemaid Domestic

Laura Matilda married again:
Marriages Mar 1899
Baldwin Laura Matilda Worcester 6c 324
Cording John William Worcester 6c 324

1901 Census
56, Astwood Road, Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Print View image Start free family tree Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John W Cording Head Married Male 31 1870 Brierley Hill, Staffordshire, England Railway Goods Guard
Sarah M Cording Wife Married Female 33 1868 Worcester, Worcestershire, England -
Percy W Baldwin Step Son Single Male 8 1893 Worcester, Worcestershire, England -
Gertrud M Baldwin Step Daughter - Female 6 1895 Worcester, Worcestershire, England -
Vera A Baldwin Step Daughter - Female 3 1898 Worcester, Worcestershire, England -
Alice L Cording Daughter - Female 0 1901 Worcester, Worcestershire, England

Laura died in 1906:
Deaths Jun 1906
CORDING Laura Matilda 38 Worcester 6c 149

and John William Cording married again:
Marriages Dec 1906
Cording John William Worcester 6c 495
Miles Esther Worcester 6c 495

1911 Census
18 Victoria Avenue Worcester, Worcester, Worcestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John William Cording Head Married Male 39 1872 Railway Goods Guard Brierley Hill Staffordshire
Esther Cording Wife Married Female 40 1871 - Brierley Hill Staffordshire
John William Cording Son - Male 7 1904 - Worcester Worcestershire
Evelyn Alice Cording Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Worcester Worcestershire

Percy Baldwin is with his Aunt in 1911:
45 Astwood Road Worcester, Worcester, Worcestershire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Thomas Curnock Head Married Male 44 1867 Tr Rd Worcester Railway Foreman
Annie Curnock Wife Married Female 45 1866 Droitwich Rd Worcester - (Original says Claines)
Arthur Curnock Son Single Male 19 1892 Astwood Rd Worcester St Barnabas Parish Railway Clerk
Lilly Curnock Daughter Single Female 17 1894 Astwood Rd Worcester St Barnabas Parish -
William Curnock Son Single Male 15 1896 Astwood Rd Worcester St Barnabas Parish Assistant In Butter Shop
Cyril Curnock Son Single Male 3 1908 Astwood Rd Worcester St Barnabas Parish -
Percy Baldwin Nephew Single Male 18 1893 Astwood Rd Worcester St Barnabas Parish Assistant In Butter Shop

Marriages Jun 1891
Curnock Thomas Droitwich 6c 527
Hiam Ann Elizabeth Droitwich 6c 527

Mike

Hiam family (reply)

MPGriffiths — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:40:36 +0000

GRO Index

BALDWIN's children

mother's maiden name: HIAM

Percy Walter BALDWIN - J Qtr 1893, Worcester - War records on Ancestry
Gertrude May BALDWIN - M Qtr 1895, Worcester

?? on the1901 census, the mother's goes by the name of Sarah/Larura/Laura M (on Ancestry)

Laura Matilda CORDING death 1906 in Worcester aged 38 = c 1868

Hiam family (reply)

Jefff — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 15:32:45 +0000

Hi Mike,
like you I've been struggling to find ANY trace of both Walter or Laura, either before or after marriage, using the FoD PRs for Walter, and then FamilySearch for them both. The FoD PRs gave me no clear links for Walter and father Samuel, or an obvious birth for Walter.
Despite FamilySearch usually using being so good at offering name spelling variations etc, the only clear match I could find was the exact same Marriage Record you found. Interestingly that site gave records for "HYANS", but they were not our family.

Then tried FreeBMD to find the Marriage Record which clearly took place in 1891, as by now was beginning to think the newspaper record had got one of their names wrong !
Searching all Marriages for a Walter Baldwin to Laura (no surname) I found this record, as you know, and unlike FamilySearch, FreeBMD is very fussy wrt spellings;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1891
Baldwin Walter Droitwich 6c 528
Hiam Laura Matilda Droitwich 6c 528

Despite thinking it would make no difference to the findings, I then revisited FamilySearch looking for Laura HIAM not HIAMS, to my surprise I got instant hits ! eg

1881 Claines, Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Hiam Head M 45 Bootmaker. Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Charlotte Hiam Wife F 36 Claines, Worcestershire, England
Ann Elizabeth Hiam Daughter F 15 Claines, Worcestershire, England
Laura M Hiam Daughter F 13 Claines, Worcestershire, England
Margaret J Hiam Daughter F 9 London, Middlesex, England
Maud Elizabeth Hiam Daughter F 2 Claines, Worcestershire, England
George H T Hiam Son M 0 Claines, Worcestershire, England

So reminding me that as good as FamilySearch is at offering surname spelling variations, it doesn't always offer some we might think are obvious...

So Laura was born abt 1868, perhaps Walter is abt the same or earlier, maybe in Newent area ??

Also from FamilySearch

Name Laura Matilda Hiam
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Feb 1868
Christening Date (Original) 02 FEB 1868
Christening Place CLAINES,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name George Hiam
Mother's Name Mary

Which fits;

1871 Claines, Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
George Hiam Head M 39 Railway Porter. Claines, Worcestershire
Mary Hiam Wife F 28 Claines, Worcestershire
Thomas Hiam Son M 15 Railway Messenger. Claines, Worcestershire
Ann Elizabeth Hiam Daughter F 5 Claines, Worcestershire
Laura M Hiam Daughter F 3 Claines, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Rowe Niece F 14 Claines, Worcestershire

Think this explains why couldn't find Walter and Laura in Census' after their marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1899
Baldwin Laura Matilda Worcester 6c 324
Cording John William Worcester 6c 324

Is this our Walter ?

Deaths Sep 1897
Baldwin Walter 32 Worcester 6c 146

So indeed was born abt 1865.

Not a rare name but maybe;

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
BALDWIN Walter Newent 6a 216

GlosBMD confirms;

Birth Details
Child Surname Child Forename Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
BALDWIN Walter NURTHEN 1865 Gloucester Gloucester, Newent 13 209

"Nurthen" ?
Struggling to find his parents, FamilySearch has a family in Newent in 1871 and 1881, Walter correct age, but gives his father as William not Samuel (wrt marriage report), and suggests his mother's maiden name is not Nurthen.

In case it's relevant post it for now;

1871 Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Baldwin Head M 44 Jobbing mason. Newent, Gloucestershire
Hannah Baldwin Wife F 44 Newent, Gloucestershire
Albert Baldwin Son M 23 Jobbing mason. Newent, Gloucestershire
Emily Baldwin Daughter F 11 Newent, Gloucestershire
William Baldwin Son M 9 Newent, Gloucestershire
Mary Baldwin Daughter F 7 Newent, Gloucestershire
Walter Baldwin Son M 5 Newent, Gloucestershire
Francis Baldwin Son M 1 Newent, Gloucestershire
Annie Hartland Mother-in-law F 70 Newent, Gloucestershire

1881 Broad Street, Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Hartland Head M 30 Grocer & Farmer Employing 4 Labs 110 Acres. Newent, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Lewis Servant F 42 Eaton Bishop, Herefordshire, England
James B Wheeldon Servant M 21 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, England
John J Dowding Servant M 17 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Walter Baldwin Servant M 15 General Servant (Grocer). Newent, Gloucestershire, England

????

Hiam family (reply)

Mike Pinchin — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 11:01:57 +0000

This is the only entry I have come across which shows a connexion between this particular HIAMS family and Gloucestershire. However, I have not yet found them after their marriage.

BNA Worcester Journal - Saturday 09 May 1891
(also in the BNA Gloucestershire Chronicle - Saturday 16 May 1891)

MARRIAGES.

BALDWIN-HIAMS.— May 2, at Claines church, Worcester, by the Rev. A. S. Porter, Walter Baldwin, youngest son of the late Samuel Baldwin, of Newent, Gloucestershire, to Laura Matilda, second daughter of George Hiams, of Astwood Villas, Rainbow-hill.

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Janet25 — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:53:11 +0000

Thank you for this information. It’s amazing how much help we get from others who are interested in family history.
How sad that Elizabeth died so young , leaving a one year old child,
Janet

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MPGriffiths — Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:01:13 +0000

Ancestry

England, Select Deaths and Burials 1538-1991

Name : Elizabeth HIAM
Gender : Female
Burial Date: 27 September 1829
Burial Place: Claines, Worcester, England (Claines, Worcester is where Sarah married in 1857)
FHL Film Number: 350581
Reference ID: yr 1825-1832 p 131

Family Search has

Christening at St John Bedwardine Worcestershire

28 March 1803

parents: John & Elizabeth BRAITHWAIT

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Janet25 — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:00:47 +0000

Thanks Mike.
In the 1871 census George Hiam and wife Mary have Thomas ( 15) Ann Elizabeth (5) Laura 3) and Elizabeth Rowe ( niece aged 13 ) who you mention living together.
The brick wall Thomas Ham I have found after going to Worcester archives that he married on August 5 to Elizabeth Braithwaite with witnessesCharles and Eliza Baker at Worcester St Helens.
Then married Elizabeth Hall on October 27 1830 at St Peter Worcester with witness Hannah Hazeley and David Hoesley.
So Caroline may have been born in wedlock in Oct 1828 not as I had originally thought.
Still no nearer finding his parents, but it’s all interesting .
A friend of mine found a Thomas Hiam born in 1807/8 on a public member tree married to Elizabeth Hall, that Thomas was born in Manea Cambridgeshire so perhaps I now need to research that route.
Many thanks for your input.
Janet

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Mike Pinchin — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:51:08 +0000

This is probably Sarah,

Ancestry

Name: Sarah Hiam
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 6 Aug 1857
Marriage Place: Claines,Worcester,England
Spouse: William Rowe

GR 1861 Census, St Martins, Worcester, Claines Ward,

William ROWE, Head Mar, 23, ??? Fitter, b. Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Sarah, Wife, Mar, 23, Sempstress, Worcester, St Martins
Elizth L, Daur, 3, Worcester
Sarah J, Daur, 12m, Worcester

GRO Index

ROWE, ELIZABETH LOUISA Mother’s Maiden Surname HYAMS
GRO Reference: 1857 D [fourth] Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 209

ROWE, SARAH JANE Mother’s Maiden Surname HIAMS
GRO Reference: 1860 M [first]Quarter in WORCESTER Volume 06C Page 339