When my GGrandfather was killed in 1909, he left my GGrandmother with several young children to raise. I have been told that she had to go and plead her case to get Parish Poor money in St Briavels to help them survive. Does anyone know anything about this and whether there were any records kept?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Alison
Parish Poor Relief etc etc
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 21:20 (6078 days ago) @ alison2
You need to explore the complex "Poor Law" system to fully understand the
early form of social security. Also an understanding of the role of the Parish / Union /
Guardians / Overseers/ Commisioners etc in evolving local government, how
rates were levied so that in turn public works - roads etc were funded
as well as money to provide Poor relief. Check also the Forest of Dean (Poor Relief) Act 1842 (!!)
For example :-
Relief for those too ill or old to work, the so called deserving poor, was in the form of a
payment or items of food ('the parish loaf') or clothing.
Some aged people might be accommodated in parish alms houses, though these were
usually private charitable institutions. Meanwhile able-bodied beggars who had refused
work were often placed in houses of correction. However, provision for the many able-bodied
poor in the workhouse, which provided accommodation at the same time as work, was
relatively unusual, and most workhouses developed later. Assistance given to the deserving
poor that did not involve an institution like the workhouse, was known as 'outdoor relief'.
Records
I'm sure that some "Applications" for Poor relief, Overseers Accounts, Poor rate books
and such like exist and in the local newspapers you will often find
reports from the Board regarding the Workhouse and/or distribution of
Poor Relief.
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by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 23:01 (6078 days ago) @ slowhands
Gloucestershire Archives
http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=1348
Level Collection
DocumentRef G/WE
Title Westbury-on-Severn Poor Law Union
Date 1835-1955
Description Officers' service registers 1850-1930; minutes 1835-1955 [gaps]; ledgers 1835-1930 [gap]; plans of workhouse 1869; poor rates and valuation books for Awre, Blaisdon, Bulley, Churcham, East Dean, Flaxley, Huntley, Littledean, Longhope, Minsterworth, Mitcheldean 1894-1926
Appraisal All records of the Guardians which are known to have survived have been retained in their entirety, except for the ledgers. These contain a minimum of historical information and take up a great deal of space, so the 19th century ones have been appraised and a sample retained: the earliest ledgers for each Union have been kept, along with one for each census year or the year nearest to it. The post-1901 ledgers have been kept in their entirety.
Level Collection
DocumentRef G_CW
Title Chepstow Poor Law Union
Date 1911-1927
Description Lydney out-relief order book 1921-1927; assessment committee minutes 1908-1927; valuation lists for Alvington, Aylburton, Hewelsfield, Lancaut, Lydney, St Briavels and Tidenham 1911-1912
Appraisal All records of the Guardians which are known to have survived have been retained in their entirety, except for the ledgers. These contain a minimum of historical information and take up a great deal of space, so the 19th century ones have been appraised and a sample retained: the earliest ledgers for each Union have been kept, along with one for each census year or the year nearest to it. The post-1901 ledgers have been kept in their entirety.
Level Collection
DocumentRef G/MON
Title Monmouth Poor Law Union
Date 1873-1927
Description Poor rate books for Coleford, Newland, Staunton and West Dean 1873, 1914-1927; valuation list, West Dean, 1921
AccessConditions This collection has been produced by a public body. Information contained in this collection is therefore made available in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and the Environmental Information Regulations 2004, as well as with the access provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998. Information may be extracted by Gloucestershire Archives staff from records marked as closed, in reponse to written requests.
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by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Saturday, April 12, 2008, 23:01 (6078 days ago) @ slowhands
AdminHistory Tudor legislation made the ecclesiastical parish the normal unit for poor relief, administered by overseers of the poor. An Act of 1722/3 (9 George I c.7) and Gilbert's Act, 1781/2 (22 George III c.83) allowed groups of parishes to unite or individual parishes to become corporate for relief purposes. Though no unions under Gilbert's Act were formed in Gloucestershire, a number of parishes, chiefly towns, adopted its provisions. Such incorporations took place, for example, at Cheltenham (1811), Cirencester (1810) and Winterbourne (1810), while at Tewkesbury Directors of the Poor were set up under a local Act of 1792.
The Poor Law Amendment Act 1834 (4 and 5 William IV c.76) empowered the Poor Law Commissioners to group parishes in unions. These were usually centred on a market town and were formed in Gloucestershire in 1835-1836. No account was taken of existing administrative areas, so that a number of Gloucestershire parishes lay in unions whose centres lay outside the county. Moreton-in-Marsh was in Shipston-on-Stour, Coleford in Monmouth and Lydney in Chepstow. Relief was administered by Boards of Guardians, accountable to and strictly controlled by the Poor Law Commissioners. The latter were superseded successively by the Poor Law Board, 1847-1871, the Local Government Board, 1871-1919, and the Ministry of Health, 1919-1930. The Local Government Act 1929 (19 and 20 George V c.17) abolished Poor Law Unions and transferred the powers and duties of Boards of Guardians to the Public Assistance department of the County Council.
The diverse records kept by the Boards and their officers are described and classified in A Handlist of the Records of the Boards of Guardians in the County of Somerset (Somerset County Council, 1949). The classification scheme for the records of the Gloucestershire Boards of Guardians is based on the classification used in the book. It was the intention of the framers of the 1834 Act to provide relief only inside the union workhouse and to curtail, if not to abolish, out-door relief. Local conditions forced modifications in the original policy, but the bulk of the records relate directly or indirectly to workhouse affairs.
In the course of the 19th century, sundry administrative functions not connected with poor relief were entrusted to Boards of Guardians. The Births, Deaths and Marriages Registration Act 1836 (6 and 7 William IV c.86, amended by 1 Victoria c.22, 1837) directed the Guardians to divide Unions into registration districts, appoint and pay registrars of births and deaths and provide register offices. The Clerk to the Guardians might, if he wished, become the Superintendent Registrar. The registrars also became responsible for making census arrangements (see Dursley). These functions were transferred to the County Council by the Local Government Act 1929.
In 1840 the earliest of a series of Acts to encourage vaccination (3 and 4 Victoria c.29) directed the Guardians to contract with the medical officers of unions for the vaccination of all residents, conformable to instructions to be issued by the Poor Law Commissioners. An amending Act of 1841 (4 and 5 Victoria c.32) provided for the payment of expenses out of the poor rates. The functions were transferred to the County Council by the Local Government Act 1929.
The Nuisance Removal Act 1855 (18 and 19 Victoria c.121), amending and consolidating similar Acts of 1846, 1848 and 1849, empowered the Guardians to carry out its provisions in any place where no other competent authority existed (see Cheltenham and Newent). The 1855 Act was repealed by the Public Health Act 1875, but these functions had already passed to the urban and rural sanitary authorities set up in 1872. For records of the Guardians acting as rural sanitary authorities, see the DA series.
The Act to regulate parochial assessments 1836 (6 and 7 William IV c.96) empowered the Guardians to order and pay the costs of net rating valuations. In 1862 (25 and 26 Victoria c.103) they were directed to appoint an assessment committee to supervise valuations. Copies of valuation lists were to be deposited with the Board, but no such provision was made for rate books, though many of these were in fact deposited. These functions were transferred to the County Council by the Rating and Valuation Act 1925 (16 George V c.90).
The Elementary Education Act 1876 (39 and 40 Victoria c.79) directed Guardians to appoint a school attendance committee for every parish in their union not under the jurisdiction of a school board or other authority. These functions were transferred to the education committee of the County Council under the Education Act 1902 (2 Edward VII c.42).
The Infant Life Protection Act 1897 (60 and 61 Victoria c.57) provided that any person paid to maintain or nurse more than one child under the age of five apart from its parents for longer than 48 hours should notify the Board of Guardians. This function was transferred to the County Council by the Local Government Act 1929.
CustodialHistory Deposited by West Dean Rural District Council, 14 September 1973, and by Lydney Rural District Council, 31 October 1973
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by alison2 , Sunday, April 13, 2008, 12:38 (6078 days ago) @ slowhands
Thankyou Slowhands for all this information, it is very very interesting and just what I was looking for.
Regards, Alison
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by smashton , Friday, February 26, 2016, 16:00 (3203 days ago) @ slowhands
Do you know where/ if the poor records exist prior to 1834?
I'm specifically interested in Settlement records around 1805 . I understand that a newcomer to the area would need to show these to the parish to prove his origins and that his 'home parish' would have responsibility for him if he was unable to support himself.
My RHODES ancestor came from Nottinghamshire around this time and settlement records could provide invaluable evidence of his birth/home parish.
Any hints on how/ where to search for this appreciated.
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 27, 2016, 01:07 (3202 days ago) @ smashton
Hi, personally I have no experience of this subject, but my first thought is to ask have you contacted or visited Glos Archives ?. I see the link in Slowhands' post is now broken, it's here
http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/article/107389/Family-history-resources
As the above webpage says, some of the Settlement records can apparently be found from this database, but eitherway still worth asking direct.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/genealogy/Search.aspx
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/records/archives.shtml
This gives the Notts Archives website which may possibly be worth a try ?
http://www.nottinghamshire.gov.uk/whats-on/archives/visiting-archives
As you probably know, The National Archives at Kew certainly consider these Parish records to still be the responsibility of the various County Archives.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/poverty-poor...
Apologies in advance if you have unsuccessfully tried Glos Archives etc and still need help.
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by smashton , Saturday, February 27, 2016, 16:43 (3202 days ago) @ Jefff
Thanks Jeff I have previously visited Gloucester Archives but not tried this line of enquiry so will contact them again for some research. The online indexes indicate nothing exists but still worth asking. And yes am also trying Nottinghamshire archives. They have no surviving settlement certificates but have charity receipts and disbursement records which cover the time period and may include him if he received poor relief. Hoping that could have happened on his journey down to FoD ...... an essential clue to help prove a family link.
So, fingers crossed :-)
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 27, 2016, 17:23 (3202 days ago) @ smashton
So, fingers crossed :-)
Indeed and good luck with your searches, you're clearly doing all the right things as far as I can see, although hopefully another forum member maybe able to suggest further avenues to follow. Meanwhile, and fully appreciating if you want to crack this yourself, but if you do care to share more info about your Rhodes ancestor maybe we'll be able to help more specifically.
atb J
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, February 27, 2016, 22:17 (3201 days ago) @ Jefff
Hi again,
Rather foolishly on my part it took a general internet search (rather than forum search) to find this prior post of yours which is presumably the same subject, plus a Rootschat post with even more relevant detail. Hopefully the information they contain will help forum users offer new ideas without repeating your past researches.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=8100
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by smashton , Monday, February 29, 2016, 15:16 (3200 days ago) @ Jefff
Thanks Jeff - I had forgotten that I had also posted on Rootsweb - must remember to update that if I ever solve the puzzle! I do have some further evidence on the 'prime suspect' family so glad to share with any other Rhodes researchers.
M
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by RogerrGriffiths , Swindon, Monday, February 29, 2016, 20:00 (3199 days ago) @ smashton
I hope this might be of interest, an actual record from Overseers Assessments & Disbursements - Mitcheltroy Mon. My direct antecedents.
1749 Coffin and shroud for John Griffiths 10-0
Hanah (his wife) 1-2
William Thomas for thatching Hanah's house 5-0
Hanah 1-6
2 bushels of wheat for Hanah 2-2
1750 Hanah Griffits 51 weeks at 1 shilling 2-11-0
Hanah Griffits 2 bushels of wheat 2-3
Mick Griffiths (son) 2d
1751 Hanah Griffiths51 weeks at 1 shilling 2-11-0
Tom Griffits 4d
1752 Hanah Griffits 53 weeks at 1 shilling 2-13-0
1756 Ditto
1757 Michollo Griffiths (son) 4d
For burying phile (daughter Tacy) Griffits & Exps 13-7
1779 Thos Evans for journey of coal for Hanah Griffiths
John Griffiths died 1749 no burial entry. Surprising familiarity Mick and Michollo for Michael, odd entry burying 'phile' Griffits 1757, no burial entry.
1787 Thomas Griffiths (son) for thatching cottage 2-4
1795 2Yrs. rent to 1st May 1796 for Thomas Griffiths to Jane Young (can't find who Jane Young was)
1796 1 yrs rent Thomas Griffiths 1-1-0
1797 4 mths rent Thomas Griffiths 7-0
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, March 01, 2016, 17:01 (3199 days ago) @ RogerrGriffiths
Hi Roger, those are interesting Records indeed, and clearly predate 1805 etc by some margin. Please can you advise how you found them, at Monmouthshire (Gwent) Archives perhaps, or are they online somewhere ?. I have tried a quick internet search and the National Archives site points to similar records for some English counties, but I've found nothing yet for our general area.
Many thanks, J.
Glos Archives, Parish Settlement Records c1805 ?
by RogerrGriffiths , Swindon, Tuesday, March 01, 2016, 19:42 (3198 days ago) @ RogerrGriffiths
Hello Jeff,
Thank you for your interest. It doesn't matter whether it's my family or anyone elses, these records are a gold mine.
Monmouthshire (Gwent) CRO was at Cwmbran, now at Ebbw Vale. I only visited Cwmbran.
There appears to be equivalent records for Gloucestershire.
See DServe Archive Catalog Overview - Gloucestershire County
ww3.gloucestershiregov.uk DServe/dserve.exe ?