Looking for a marriage for Mary Ann Watkins

I am looking for a marriage for Mary Ann Watkins, born Whitecroft to Henry and Sarah Watkins, Mary Ann, emmigrated to Newzealand, i dont know what year, she emmigrated, neither do i know, who she married, she may have married in Newzealand!can anyone help? with this request.

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any dates would be useful - even a period such as 1880's !

or does this link to

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=11883#p11890

1871
Henry Watkins 35
Sarah Watkins 30
Charles Watkins 3
Eliza Watkins 6
Henry Watkins 1
Mary Ann Watkins 8
Charles Boules 17

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My ancestor was Alice Watkins - Mary Ann's sister. I was told that she emigrated but was unsure if it was NZ or Australia. I have no proof but anecdotally was told the following:

Mary Ann lived in Australis. Married name Everett (Everitt)? Her son married a Spanish girl who was Australia's champtionship bike rider.

Eliza Watkins lived in New Zealand and married ship's Capt Moore who sailed the UK-Aus-NZ routes.

I have never investigated into these parts of my family tree yet but please let me know if you can discover anything. i have a photo of Alice with a Spanish-looking girl (Romany looks)and this might be Mary Ann's daughter in law.

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hi carol, pleased to here from you, all i know is she had a photo taken before she emmigrated, which since has been lost, my aunty corresponded, with a cousin of her`s from new- zealand, in the 1940`s, i can remember that myself.
if your relative is alice watkin`s, she was baptized, the same time as mary ann, 1865, this is certainly is a coincidence, perhap`s she moved to australia, later? can you give, me her married name, please.

on reflection!! i remember, my aunty telling me, that when they first emmigrated, they had trouble with the local tribe`s entering there homes, when the husband`s had gone to work.

if you think we are the same family i would like a copy of the photo, please.

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hi again carol, it is pretty obvious, we are of the same watkin`s family, my grandfather was henry watkin`s, born, 1870 ruspidge, cinderford, i never met him he had died, by the time i was born, he was very friendly with his sister rossetta, and his brother charles, i remember aunt rose, she was a lovely person, and we visited her, rather a lot, she lived to be 95 year`s of age.

i see emily the younger sister, by the look`s of thing`s married in the forest-of-dean, also, as my grandfather, did.

regard`s brenda

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Hi Brenda,

This is really exciting stuff, I didn't know Henry had any sisters. Rosetta makes a lot of sense as Alice Rosina was the eldest girl (my Alice). She was raised (I have no idea why) by her grandparents (George and Eliza Price) and appears on the 1871 census as living with them aged 10. I remember my great aunt Lily (Alice's daughter born in Castleford)telling me that Eliza would discipline her by hitting her head while wearing a metal thimble and Lily could recall Alice's head being covered with lumps and cysts.

Alice and Reuben Malson had the following children:
Alice Rosena b1883
Emily b1884
Edith b1886
Levi b1888 (infant death)
Lily b 1889 (infant death)
Reuben b1890 (infant death)
Lily b1891 (my great Aunt) who live just short of the 102nd birthday
Charlie b1893
SamuelAugustus b1893 (infant death)
Dorothy b1897
Reuben b1899
Beatrice b1900
William b1901
Ephraim b1905 (my grandfather)

Do you have any information on Henry's siblings, especially Rosetta as this name (or similar ones)crops up all the time in the family.

I will try and put the photo of Alice, Mary Ann and the Spanish girl on the FH website.

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hi carol i am as sick as a pig, so to speak, i arrived home from australia last tuesday, and i was so near the emmigration offices, melbourne i cant believe it, where if i had known mary ann`s married name i could have got the relevant information, this is an excuse to go back, to ausie, with-out a doubt!
i have done the family tree, it`s brought up some surprises,my grandfather,s father died 1886, and sarah married again, you will find the marriage 1n parkend church 1992/93 to a john gardner, my grand parent`s were witnesses, to the marriage,( i am still jet lagged at present,) my grandparent`s were methodist, my family were baptised methodist chapel, and my aunty told me that when henry my grandfather came to s.wales he had a bible, which read, this bible is presented to henry watkins,by the methodist chapel in ruspidge cinderford, which is no longer standing, but i did go and see it before they knocked it down
regard`s brenda

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Hi Brenda,

When you say Sarah married again to John Gardener, was she Thomas Watkin's wife?

I have Henry's parents as William and Lucy - am I correct?

Regards,

Carol

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Hi carol, no william and lucy are not our g/grandfather`s henry watkins parent`s, i made the this mistake, of thinking, these were his parent`s, myself only because, i went by his age, on the 1881 census, so when i couldnt find 1861 and 1871, census, for this family, of lucy and william, i hired a family historian, and she found, that a henry was living in christchurch, on the 1861 census, and our henry, was married already, to sarah price, by then!!
if you can wait a couple of day`s, i will get my f.history, out as i put it away, when i went abroad, and i will send the information to you.
Have you found the marriage of sarah watkins, henry`s wife, to john gardner,yet? on the 1891 census, sarah, rosetta, and emily the youngest, is living near, llanely, in monmoutH, with john gardner, but of course they were`nt married, then. but that was short lived, he died, and on the 1991 census she is under the name of watkin`s again. it must be hard to take in i spent a couple of year`s trying to find them on the census, lucy watkin

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Hi Carol

i hope you received my last message regarding Lucy and William Watkin`s no there not our g/grandfather`s parent`s, have you got henry and sarah`s marriage certificate? this will tell you that he cant be there son, he was already married to sarah price.

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Year: 1832
Month: Dec
Day: 8

Groom Surname: WATKINS
Groom Forenames: William
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:

Bride Surname: ROBERTS
Bride Forenames: Ann
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness 1: Mark of William Williams
Witness 2: Thomas Hulin
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page No: 90
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

Year: 1837
Month: Jan
Day: 15
Parents Surname: WATKINS
Child Forenames: Henry
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Ann
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Hudnals
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page No: 96
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

Year: 1839
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Parents Surname: WATKINS
Child Forenames: Alice
Father's Forenames: William
Mother's Forenames: Ann
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Meend
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minister: J.G.Smythies
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P278 IN 1/6
Page No: 7
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

1841

1851
William Watkins abt 1810 Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Watkins abt 1809 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Watkins bt 1841 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Watkins abt 1834 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Watkins abt 1835 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Watkins abt 1846 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Watkins abt 1845 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

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MANY THANK`S CONFIRMED

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I would be delighted to get some info on William and Ann and other siblings. I have been running with William and Lucy and was feeling smug to think I had everything going so well. that will teach me -

I have never had so many ancestors on different sides of the family who had children in and out of wedlock - I thought todays relaxed attitudes were bad (from a family history point of view) - my local registrar told me in 20 years no-one will be able to trace their families due to women having children to mulitple fathers, who then don't bother to record the fathers names.

regards,

Carol

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Hi Carol, i did exactly the same thing, with lucy and william, but because i am so nosy, i really wanted to know where they lived in 1861,/1871, that was when i was made aware, `oop`s your looking at the wrong family, so it was worth getting a historian envolved, i like travelling to gloucester archives, but it can take so long, to get this information, i was a novice then.
We have had quite a few viewing`s, on this web site, and i have`nt, found out anything about elizabeth, the sister, born next to eliza, yet! but having advertising, yesterday, regarding mary ann, i was so pleased, with the information, you gave me.

regards brenda

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Henry and Sarah watkins

children
WILLIAM HENRY 1894
LILLIAN 1897
GLADYS ROSETTA 1900
DORIS 1904 ISH
VIOLET INFANT DEATH?
STANLEY 1907
GWENDOLINE MAY 1911

regards brenda

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Hi Carol

parkend mariage for henry watkin`s and sarah 1860 entry 467

Parkend marriage for sarah watkin`s and john gardner 1892 entry 96

regards brenda

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Possible death reg for John?

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Gardner John 36 Newport, M. 11a 136

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THANK`S CHRIS FOR J GARDNER DEATH

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hi carol rosetta`s name was dorothy rosetta, i couldnt figure out where dorothy, had come from, i see you have a dorothy in your family to,
charles watkin`s moved i think to pontypridd, first, on the 1891 census, but according to a cousin of mine, who was the oldest grandaughter, in our family met him he had worked in the six bell`s collery abergavenny, i dont know how many children he had.

regard`s brenda

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Hi
Just to tell you thatsix bells colliery was in Abertillery not Abergavenny
Sylvia

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