by alison2, (6474 days ago)
Samuel Jenkins b1814 Bream, son of Thomas Jenkins married Mary Ann of Bitton. They had 12 children. In 1880 he owned Knockley Tump Mine. In his will in 1892 he was the owner of weavers mine Bream Eaves,land,25 houses, a blacksmiths, a shop and wharf. Where would I find records or deeds of this?
Any Info Much Appreciated.
Alison
by smrashton, (6472 days ago) @ alison2
Have you tried querying with Geoff Gwatkins about his maps of this area?
See http://www.forest-of-dean.net/?Landowners_Names
They are for periods around 1840-1850 but show land and property ownership at this time and are fabulously detailed and interesting. A listing and print costs £5.50. Obviously your ancestor would not have had so much time to build up his property portfolio and business but this could still show how things were developing.
by alison2, (6469 days ago) @ smrashton
Thanks for the info, the years you mentioned may help more with Samuel's Father Thomas who left Samuel a House and land in Mill Hill Bream c1845. Samuel lived in Monmouthshire and worked in the Mines there, between 1838 and 1851. He then returned to Bream to live and work.
With reference to Samuel Jenkins.
My mother currently lives in a house which we believe was built by Samuel Jenkins
in Bream. My grandfather purchased the house plus two others from John Jenkins,
son of Samuel in 1919. We have the deeds showing that these three houses were left to John by his father Samuel in 1891.
Hi,
I'm trying to trace the family of Samuel Jenkins, born Pontypool, Monmouth 1839. Father Samuel Jenkins. In 1861 (aged 22) he was a Coal Miner and was a lodger in the house of Mariane? Jenkins (Born in Bream) at Dark Hole, West Dean. She was a widow aged 65 and a Landed Proprietor. Was she related to Samuel or was it just a coincidence.
Samuel later moved to Leeds in Yorkshire where he married Sally Boulton in 1864, and after her death, married Elizabeth Joy in 1883 at Charlestown, Baildon, Yorks.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Regards,
Keith
by m p griffiths, (4590 days ago) @ Keithtug
Looking at Gloucestershirebdm - think Mary Anne's maiden name was GAY
CLDS: Christening at Oldland Glos - 28 April 1824 - Mary Ann GAY - parents Isaac & Jane.
(Bitton/Oldland - is quite close and some of my tree, say born Bitton, christened Oldland)
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1841 Census, Mon. Trevethan - Registration District: Pontyppol
Samuel JENKINS - 25 - Miner, not born in County
Mary - 25 - born in County
Samuel - 2
Anne -6 months
Samuel GREEN - 6 months
Mary Ann THOMAS - 10 - Female Servant
1851 Wales Census
Aberystruth,
JENKINS
Samuel - 36 - Iron Miner - born Glos. Newland
Mary Anne - 27 - born Glos. Bitton
Samuel - 12 - born Mon. Trevithin
Ann Maria - 10 - ditto
Simeon - 8 - born Llanfrecha ***
Levi - 2 - ditto
Ruth - 1 month - born Aberystruth
***
http://www.sungreen.co.uk/Broadwell/Miles-Harris-1935.htm
'Mary was the daughter of Simeon JENKINS & Sarah (nee HOPKINS) from Bream. Simeon was the son of Samuel JENKINS of Bream)'
1861 Census, West Dean - Bream St Peter
Dark Hole
JENKINS
Samuel - 46 - born Glos. Bream
Mary - 38 - born Glos. Bitton
Simeon - 18
Seoi - 12
Rush (Ruth) - 10 - born Blaina
Calbe - 8 - born Bream
Elizth - 6 ditto
John - 5 ditt
Jane - 2
1871 Census, Bream Eaves & Mill Hill
JENKINS
Samuel - 55 - Coal Proprietor
Mary Ann - 47
Celeb - 18
Elizabeth - 17
John - 15
Jane - 13
Obert - 11
Agness - 5
1881 Census, Mill Hill
JENKINS
Samuel - 66 - Coal Miner,
Mary Ann - 59 - born Bitton
Caleb - 28 - West Dean
Agness - 15 - Grocers Assistant
by Keithtug, (4590 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Thanks M P Griffiths,
that's very useful. It looks like Samuel's father (also Samuel) married twice, as in the 1841 census Mary, his mother is shown as the same age (25), but by the 1851 census her name is now Mary Anne, and she is shown as 9 years younger! Also in the 1841 census living in the same house is a Samuel GREEN (aged 6 months, who does he belong to?
Thanks again for your help.
Regards,
Keith
by m p griffiths, (4590 days ago) @ Keithtug
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The birth certificate of Samuel JENKINS
O/N/D Qtr 1839 - Monmouth
Volume: 26
Page 70
would give his mother's maiden name.
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Samuel JENKINS seems to be well documented on National Archives A2A (held at Gloucestershire Records Office)
'Deeds and related papers concerning properties in Yorkley and Bream owned by Samuel JENKINS, Colliery Proprietor, including site of Bream Parkend Road Chapel - 1841-1949 - etc etc'
Looking at some of the births on Fod Records - the family appear to be non-conformists.
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1891 Census, Bream Eaves
Samuel JENKINS - 76 - Local Preacher, born West Dean
Mary A - 67
John JENKINS - 35 - Coal Miner, born West Dean
Martha jENKINS - 30
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FoD records
Burial at Bream - 12 May 1892
Samuel JENKINS
residence: Mill Hill
age at death: 77
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Ancestry Probate records
JENKINS - Samuel of Hill Hill Bream West Dean, Gloucestershire, Colliery Proprietor died 8 May 1892.
Probate Gloucdester 1 October to John JENKINS, Collier.
Effects £701 12s. 8d.
by Jefff, West London, Middlesex, (4590 days ago) @ m p griffiths
From Ian Pope's truly excellent Lightmoor FoD Coalmining site, I presume this is the same Samuel, within the detailed history of the Bailey Hill Level:
"1 August 1887 Agreement Roger Whittle, Yorkley Hill, colliery proprietor and Samuel Jenkins of Bream. Whittle agrees to let Bailey Hill Colliery, upon which he holds a lease, to Samuel Jenkins. Jenkins to have free use of machinery and plant. To pay £30 per year.
28 April 1897 Samuel Jenkins died."
See http://www.lightmoor.co.uk/forestcoal/CoalBaileyHill.html
He is also listed within the following Trade Directories:
Kelly's Directory of Bream - 1870
JENKINS Samuel, coal master. Princess Royal colliery
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/bream.htm
Morris & Co 1876 Trades Directory of West Dean, within the Bream Eaves section.
"JENKINS Samuel, coal proprietor, Knockley Tump Colliery"
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cbennett/westdean1876.htm
Kelly's Directory for Bream of 1879, fully transcribed on this site
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/?Kellys_Directory_1879
http://www.sungreen.co.uk/Bream-Forest-of-Dean/1879-Kellys-Bream.htm
Samuel Jenkins was my 3 x GGrandfather, his son Simeon being my 2 x GGrandfather. I have lots of Information on the Jenkins Family and will look it all out, when I have time at the Weekend.
From Memory
Samuel Jenkins married Mary Edwards first and had 4 children
Samuel Jenkins,Ann Maria Simeon and Martha
his first wife died and he married Mary Ann Green nee Gay and had
Levi, Ruth, Caleb, Elizabeth, John, Jane, Albert and Agnes.
by Roger Griffiths, (4590 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Interesting to look at historical inflation. £701 1892 is equivalent of £70,000 today. My GGrandfather died 1901 and left £281 equivalent of £29,319 today. But that was mainly his house which today is worth between £300,000 and £400,000. A brother of my Grandfather left £1,351 in 1929 equivalent of £72,612 today.
by alison2, (4590 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths
Samuel was quite wealthy, as well as 2 Coal mines he owned land and Houses, enough houses for each of his children to inherit one. I have a copy of his will, makes very interesting reading.
by janethowell, (4256 days ago) @ alison2
Does his will mention any of his siblings?
Most of his brothers are dead or emigrated to US or NZ by the time he dies but younger brothers James and Shadrach are still in Bream - at least Shadrach was and was involved with the Bream chapel site which Samuel seems to have given to the chapel.
Janet
by alison2, (4590 days ago) @ Keithtug
Keith
In 1861 Census Samuel Jenkins b1839 lodger, with Mariane Jenkins,She is actually hIs Grandmother Maria nee Preest wife of Thomas Jenkins and Mother of Samuel b1814.
by Keithtug, (4589 days ago) @ Keithtug
Thank you so much everybody!
You have all given me lots of information about the Jenkins side of my family, which I can add to my records and my family tree. I am connected to the Jenkins family through the Joy family (my mothers maiden name), and never expected such a response to my post! I have lots to investigate now.
It seems strange, but I have spent a couple of holidays at Ruardean, so I must have been drawn there!
Regards,
Keith