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Thomas married Amanda Dibden in 1853. When she died in 1865 I am unable to find out what happened to their youngest children Elizabeth b. 1861 and Louisa Hannah b. 1864. The older children went to live with relatives.
I am also unable to find anything about Thomas Herbert's parents/birth. Does anyone know this family?

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1871 Wales Census - As transcribed

Edwin George abt 1845 Chepstow Monmouthshire Wales Head Monmouthshire Wales
Henryetta George abt 1851 Warmfield Gloucestershire Wife Monmouthshire Wales
Louisa Herbert abt 1864 Tidham Gloucestershire Sister in law Monmouthshire Wales

Record_ID: 14762
Entry Number: 51
Year: 1864
Month: Apr
Day: 17
Groom Surname: BULLOCK
Groom Forenames: Isaac
Groom Age at Marriage: 18
Groom condition: Batchelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Labourer
Groom Residence: Whitecroft
Groom Father's Surname: Bullock
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer
Bride Surname: HERBERT
Bride Forenames: Sarah Ann
Bride Age at Marriage: 19
Bride Condition: spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Whitecroft
Bride Father's Surname: Herbert
Bride Father's Forenames: Jacob
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Emma Criswick
Witness_2: Henry Gunter
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth incumbent
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page No: 26
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex Groom: B420
Soundex Bride: H616

1871 England Census ( to tie up the other members of the family)
Isaac Bullock abt 1846 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire Head Chepstow Lydney
Sarah Bullock abt 1845 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire Wife Chepstow Lydney
Albert Bullock abt 1860 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire Son Chepstow Lydney
Martha Bullock abt 1865 Tydnham Gloucestershire Daughter Chepstow Lydney
Agenes Bullock abt 1871 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire Daughter Chepstow Lydney
Edgar Herbert abt 1857 Tydnham Gloucestershire Brother in law Chepstow Lydney
Philip Herbert abt 1859 Tydnham Gloucestershire Brother in law Chepstow Lydney

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Thank you so much for sorting out Louisa and incidentally Henrietta as well. Now I need the whereabouts of Elizabeth and Thomas in 1871

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1871 Barnard Town , Maindee Newport
Edwin George abt 1845 Chepstow Monmouthshire Wales Head Monmouthshire Wales
Henryetta George abt 1851 Warmfield Gloucestershire Wife Monmouthshire Wales
Louisa Herbert abt 1864 Tidham Gloucestershire Sister in law Monmouthshire Wales

1881
Elizabeth Herbert abt 1861 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Servant Lancaut, Gloucestershire

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1861 England Census RG9/3977; Folio: 68; Page: 20
Parish of Tidenham

Thomas Herbert - Head - Mar - 40 - Ag Lab - Gloucester Hewlsfield
Amanda Herbert - Wife - Mar - 35 - Gloucester Hewlsfield
John H Herbert - Son - 12 - Scholar - Gloucester Hewlsfield
Henriette Herbert - Daur - 10 - Scholar - Gloucester Hewlsfield
Thomas Herbert - Son - 7 - Scholar - Gloucester St Briavels
Edgar Herbert - Son - 5 - Scholar - Gloucester Tidenham
Philip Herbert - Son - 3 - Gloucester Tidenham
Elizabeth Herbert - Daur - 8 Mo - Gloucester Tidenham

FreeBMD Marriage Index

Name: Amanda Dibden
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bristol
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 80

Name: Thomas Herbert
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bristol
County: Avon, Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 80

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1851 England Census HO107/2443 Folio: 622; Page: 15
Parish of Hewelsfield

Amanda Herbert - Head - Widow- 25 - <House> Ho Ser at Home - Gloshire St Briavels
John Herbert - Son - 2 - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Henrietta Herbert - Daur - 3M - Gloshire Hewelsfield

Record_ID: 28077
Entry Number: 72
Year: 1844
Month: Nov
Day: 11
Groom Surname: HERBERT
Groon Forenames: Jacob
Groom age at Marriage: Full
Groom condition: Batchelor [s
Groom Rank or Profession: Labourer
Groom Residence: Brockwear Common [sic]
Groom Father's Surname: Herbert
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Butcher
Bride Surname: WILLIAMS
Bride Forenames: Amenda [sic]
Bride age at Marriage: Full
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Brockwear Common [sic]
Bride Father's Surname: Dibden
Bride Father's Forenames: Philip
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Waterman
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of Banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Peter Dibden
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Dibden
Other Witness:
Officiating Minister: Frederick Stonhouse Curate
Event Type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/7
Page No: 36
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

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Record_ID: 31546
Entry Number: 1000
Year: 1845
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Parent's Surname: HERBERT
Child Forenames: Sarah Ann
Father's Forenames: Jacob
Mother's Forenames: Amanda
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Brockwear Common
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minister: J. Hallifax Off[iciating] Minister
Event Type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 89
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Record_ID: 31580
Entry Number: 1034
Year: 1846
Month: Sep
Day: 20
Parent's Surname: HERBERT
Child Forenames: Emma
Father's Forenames: [illegible]
Mother's Forenames: [illegible]
Mother's Surname:
Place or Residence: Hewelsfield Common
Occupation: Waterman
Officiating Minister: J. Hallifax
Event Type: Baptism
Memoranda: and 1847
Notes: left title margin
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 94
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Record_ID: 76171
Entry Number: 323
Year: 1846
Month: Feb
Day: 27
Surname: HERBERT
Forenames: Jacob
Place of Residence: Brockwear Common
Age at Death: 22
Officiating Minister: J. Hallifax
Event: Burial
Cause of Death: drowned
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/6
Page No: 41
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

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Thank you Paul for your help - which I really appreciate. I seem to be able to find lots of inf. about Amanda but Thomas is certainly a mystery.

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1851 England Census HO107/2443; Folio: 624; Page: 18
Parish of Hewelsfield

Thomas Dibdon - Head - Mar - 56 - Waterman - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Elizabeth Dibdon - Wife - Mar - 50 - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Elizabeth Dibdon - Daur - U - 20 - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Nathaniel Dibdon - Son - U - 18 - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Thomas Dibdon - Son - U - 16 - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Henry Dibdon - Son - U - 13 - Gloshire Hewelsfield
Emma Herbert - Visitor - 5 - Scholar - Gloshire Hewelsfield

Year: 1795
Month: Sep
Day: 27
Parents Surname: DIBDON
Child Forenames: Thomas
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Alice
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating Minister:
Event Type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/2
Page No:
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Year: 1805
Month: Jun
Day: 9
Parents Surname: DIBDON
Child Forenames: Philip
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Alice
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Hewelsfield
Occupation:
Officiating Minister: Tho[ma]s Thomas Curate
Event Type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/2
Page No:
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

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Year: 1825
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Parents Surname: WILLIAMS
Child Forenames: Ame[a]nda
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forenames: Hannah
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Hudnalls
Occupation: Single woman
Officiating Minister: Walter Henry Hill Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 35
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Year: 1827
Month: Jul
Day: 16

Groom Surname: DIBDIN
Groom Forenames: Philip
Groom Age at Marriage:
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession:
Groom Residence: of this parish
Groom Father's Surname:
Groom Father's Forenames:
Groom Father's Rank or Profession:

Bride Surname: WILLIAMS
Bride Forenames: Hannah
Bride Age at Marriage:
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession:
Bride Residence: of this parish
Bride Father's Surname:
Bride Father's Forenames:
Bride Father's Rank or Profession:
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns:
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of Henry Williams
Witness_2: Mark of Charlotte Williams
Other witnesses: Thomas Hulin Clark
Officiating Minister: John Clutton Vicar
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P278 IN 1/10
Page No: 56
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

1841
Philip Debruin abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Hannah Debruin abt 1806 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Alexander Debruin abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Amanda Debruin abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Emma Debruin abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Philip Debruin abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Susannah Debruin abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

1851
Phillip Dibden abt 1806 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Hannah Dibden abt 1807 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Alexander Dibden abt 1838 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Phillip Dibden abt 1832 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Sara Ann Herbert abt 1845 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Nathanial Williams abt 1813 Chappelton, Monmouthshire, Wales Visitor Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

Year: 1845
Month: Apr
Day: 20
Parents Surname: HERBERT
Child Forenames: Sarah Ann
Father's Forenames: Jacob
Mother's Forenames: Amanda
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Brockwear Common
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating Minister: J. Hallifax Off[iciating] Minister
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 89
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1861
Thomas Herbert abt 1821 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Amando Herbert abt 1826 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Edgar Herbert abt 1856 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Herbert abt 1860 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Henriette Herbert abt 1843 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire
John H Herbert abt 1849 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Phillip Herbert abt 1858 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Herbert abt 1854 St Beawels, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire

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My "instinct" is that Thomas is a son to John and Sarah( nee DIBDEN) hence a brother to Jacob - Amanda's first husband - hence the mariage in Bristol (!)

if so then this transcription might be the missing record, slipping neatly between Philip and Jacob

Year: 1820
Month: Jul
Day: 16
Parents Surname: [not stated]
Child Forenames: [not stated]
Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Forenames: [not stated]
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating Minister: [not stated]
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 21
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1871
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1881
Richard Price abt 1815 Monmouth, Wales Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Lydia Price abt 1818 Goodrich, Hereford, England Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Thomas Herbert abt 1820 Hewersfield, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Charles Herbert abt 1869 Monmouth, Wales Lodger Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1891
Thomas Herbert abt 1821 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Inmate of Workhouse (Inmate) Monmouth, Monmouthshire

Year: 1813
Month: Jan
Day: 16
Groom Surname: HERBERT
Groom Forenames: John
Groom Age at Marriage: [not
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Groom Residence: [illegible] Monmouth
Groom Father's Surname: [not stated]
Groom Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Surname: DIBDEN
Bride Forenames: Sarah
Bride Age at Marriage: [not
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Hewelsfield
Bride Father's Surname: [not stated]
Bride Father's Forenames: [not stated]
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Licence or Banns: Licence
Date of banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Amelia Williams
Witness_2: John Wade
Other witnesses: Thos. Underwood Clark
Officiating Minister: Thos. Thomas Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/5
Page No: 1
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Year: 1818
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Parents Surname: HERBERT
Child Forenames: Philip
Father's Forenames: John
Mother's Forenames: Sarah
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Harthill
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating Minister: John Clutton Vicar [illegible] & Rector of Hewelsf
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 16
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Year: 1823
Month: Mar
Day: 23 [?]
Parents Surname: HERBERT
Child Forenames: Jacob [?]
Father's Forenames: [illegible]
Mother's Forenames: Sarah
Mother's Surname:
Place of Residence: Harthill
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating Minister: Charles D Blyth Curate
Event type: Baptism
Memoranda: 4
Notes: left margin
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page No: 28
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

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Thank you so much for the information. I agree that Thomas is probably the son of Sarah and John Herbert - which would mean that Amanda married two brothers. I also agree that this could be why they married in Bristol. This, of course, would also mean that Edgar and Sarah who married in 1876 were first cousins. But, why didn't Sarah and Thomas baptise Thomas as they did all the other children?
Thomas really is a puzzle.

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But, why didn't Sarah and Thomas baptise Thomas as they did all the other children?

I think John and Sarah did in Jul 1820 - its just that the image is faded or damaged and the transcription has been too hard :-( (hence the Ghost entry I posted)

and Sarah who married in 1876 were first cousins

The Forest population was not that high, there are many examples of cousins marrying, some who may not have realised they were related ...

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Thank you again - that certainly would solve the mystery. It would also answer why Thomas b. 1854 went to live with Isaac Herbert when his mother died. He was, in fact, his uncle. It was Isaac's daughter Sarah b.1859 who married Edgar b. 1856 who was the son of Thomas and Amanda. i.e. first cousins (is this legal?)

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i.e. first cousins (is this legal?)

Somewhere I recall Henry the VIII having the Law changed to allow this ...

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I agree that Thomas is probably the son of Sarah and John Herbert - which would mean that Amanda married two brothers.

From Archbishop Parker's statement of 1563, adopted as Cannon Law in 1603 and written into the 1662 Book of Common Prayer, the list of 'prohibited degrees' remained unchanged until 1907.

A woman was not permitted to marry her:

Grandfather
Grandmother's Husband
Husband's grandfather

Father's brother
Mother's brother
Father's sister's husband

Mother's sister's husband
Husband's father's brother
Husband's mother's brother

Father
Step-father
Husband's father

Son
Husband's son
Daughter's husband

Brother
Husband's brother
Sister's husband

Son's son
Daughter's son
Son's daughter's husband

Daughter's daughter's husband
Husband's son's son
Husband's daughter's son

Brother's son
Sister's son
Brother's daughter's husband

Sister's daughter's husband
Husband's brother's son
Husband's sister's son

These rules could be circumvented by the parliamentary personal Bill procedure, though doing so may not be to everyone's taste. They have also been overcome by oversight or deceit, particularly between widower and deceased wife's sister, according to a Royal Commission in 1847.

Source: The Family Tree Detective Colin D. Rogers 1983

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Thank you - this is probably the reason why they went to Bristol to marry. I really do feel that Amanda did marry two brothers and the 'ghost' baptism record found by Slowhands is Thomas born to Sarah and John Herbert 16.7.1820.

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< thanks to a hint from Jean H>

Year: 1848
Month: Oct
Day: 29

Groom Surname: GILES
Groom Forenames: Charles
Groom Age at Marriage: Full
Groom condition: Bachelor
Groom Rank or Profession: Farmer
Groom Residence: Brockweir
Groom Father's Surname: Giles
Groom Father's Forenames: Richard
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer

Bride Surname: PRICE
Bride Forenames: Elizabeth
Bride Age at Marriage: Full
Bride Condition: Spinster
Bride Rank or Profession: [not stated]
Bride Residence: Brockweir
Bride Father's Surname: Price
Bride Father's Forenames: William
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer
Licence or Banns: Banns
Date of banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of John Giles
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Giles
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Edgar Lloyd Curate
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P175 IN 1/7
Page No: 63
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

1851
Charles Gilesabt 1827 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Eliza Giles abt 1829 Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tidenham, Gloucestershire
George Giles abt 1850 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Harriett Giles abt 1840 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Niece Tidenham, Gloucestershire

1861
Charles Giles abt 1827 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Eliza Giles abt 1829 Albury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tidenham, Gloucestershire
George Giles abt 1850 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
John Giles abt 1851 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire

Year: 1866
Month: Oct
Day: 7

Groom Surname: HERBERT
Groom Forenames: Thomas
Groom Age at Marriage: full
Groom condition: Widower
Groom Rank or Profession: Labourer
Groom Residence: Tidenham
Groom Father's Surname: Herbert
Groom Father's Forenames: John
Groom Father's Rank or Profession: Butcher

Bride Surname: GILES
Bride Forenames: Eliza
Bride Age at Marriage: full
Bride Condition: Widow
Bride Rank or Profession: Servant
Bride Residence: Tidenham
Bride Father's Surname: Price
Bride Father's Forenames: William
Bride Father's Rank or Profession: Labourer
Licence or Banns: [not stated]
Date of banns: [not stated]
Signature or Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Joseph Williams
Witness_2: Mark of Harriett Williams
Other witnesses:
Officiating Minister: Percy Burd Vicar
Event type: Marriage
Memoranda:
Transcriber's Notes:
Register Reference: P333 IN 1/8
Page No: 116
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

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Thank you. It certainly seems that this is our Thomas getting married again. This is what made me think he was the son of Sarah and John Herbert - butcher. I did check cousins marrying - no problem. Now I would like to find out what happened to Elizabeth when her mother died. I have found her as a servant in 1881 and marrying in 1882.
I also haven't located John born 1849 after his mother died. He is in the 1851 census living with Amanda and Henrietta but where in 1871? - tonight's work.

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