John H. Herbert b. 1849 Tidenham

I am looking for any information about John H. Herbert. His mother was Amanda Herbert. In 1851 census Amanda is a widow and has two children John aged 2 and Henrietta aged 4 months. Her husband died in 1846. In the 1861 census John is now named John H. Herbert. I am unable to find his baptism or any other information about him. I would appreciate any help. Thank you

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Taken from the Parish Records Section of this website

Record_ID: 31609
Entry_Number: 1063
Year: 1848
Month: Oct
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: [HERBERT]
Child_Forenames: John Henry
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Amanda
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brockweir Common
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: E. Lloyd Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 97
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield
Soundex: H616

Name: John Henry Herbert
Name: Jane Elizabeth Crocker
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 576

1881 Wales Census
Elizabeth Mary J. Herbert abt 1880 Ynysowen M V Daughter Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Jane Eliza Herbert abt 1862 Jersey, Channel Islands Wife Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Jno.Hy. Herbert abt 1852 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Husband (Head)Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Catherine Thomas abt 1868 Sirhowy Daughter Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Margret Thomas abt 1828 Aberystwyth Lodger (Head) (Lodger) Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan

1891 Wales Census
Amanda A Herbert abt 1883 Llangunider, Breconshire, Wales Daughter Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Charlotte Herbert abt 1886 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Edgar Herbert abt 1857 Gloucester, Tidenham Head Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Isaac Herbert abt 1879 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Sarah Herbert abt 1859 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Thos J Herbert abt 1889 Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales Son Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
John H Herbert abt 1849 Gloucester,Hewelsfield Brother Merthyr Tydfil,Glamorgan

1891 Channel Island Census
Jane E Herbert abt 1864 Jersey Channel Islands Head Jersey Channel Islands
Elizabeth M Herbert abt 1880 Wales Daughter Jersey Channel Islands
John H Herbert abt 1882 Wales Son Jersey Channel Islands
Edgar B Herbert abt 1888 Jersey Channel Islands Son Jersey Channel Islands
Arthur M Herbert abt 1884 Jersey Channel Islands Son Jersey Channel Islands
(Arthur M is wrongly transcribed as being 78)

1901 Wales Census
Arthur M Herbert abt 1886 Channel Islands Son Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Edgar T Herbert abt 1889 Channel Islands Son Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Elizabeth M J Herbert abt 1881 Glam, Merthyr Vale Daughter Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
John H Herbert abt 1849 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan

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Hi Bertha,
Thank you so much - I was just having yet another search when your email came. Now I need to find what happened to him.

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Name: John Henry Herbert
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 66

Possibles

Name: John H Herbert
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 67
District: Bridgend
County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 872

Name: John Herbert
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 54
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 464

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Thank you again for your help. Between you and Bertha I have almost sorted John. However, I still cannot find what happened to both John and Elizabeth b. 1861 when their mother died. Neither of them appear to be in the 1871 census

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Year: 1860
Month: Aug
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: HERBERT
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Father's_Forenames: Thomas
Mother's-Forenames: Amanda
Mother's_Surname
Residence: Tidenham
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Allan Cowburn Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P33/1 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 89
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

1861 England Census RG9/3978; Folio: 37; Page: 11
Parish of Hewelsfield Hudnalls

Philip Herbert - Head - Mar - 42 - Butcher - Gloucester Hewelsfield
Elizabeth Herbert - Wife - Mar - 42 - Butcher Wife - Monmouth Penalt
Thomas Herbert - Son - Un - 16 - Butcher Son - Gloucester St Briavels
Sarah Ann Herbert - Daur - 10 - Scholar - Gloucester Hewelsfield
John George Herbert - Son - 7 - Scholar - Gloucester Hewelsfield
Isaac Herbert - Son - 6 - Scholar - Gloucester Hewelsfield
Mary Herbert - Daur - 4 - Scholar - Gloucester Hewelsfield
Elizabeth Herbert - Daur - 1 - Gloucester Hewelsfield

Year: 1853
Month: May
Day: 22
Parent's_Surname: HERBERT
Child_Forenames: John George
Father's_Forenames: Phillip
Mother's_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mother's_Surname:
Residence: Brockweir Common
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: John Griffiths Rector of Lansannor
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Year: 1855
Month: Apr
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: HERBERT
Child_Forenames: Isaac Aubrey
Father's_Forenames: Phillip
Mother's_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mother's_Surname:
Residence: Hewelsfield
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: E Boggis Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

Year: 1857
Month: Nov
Day: 22
Parent's_Surname: HERBERT
Child_Forenames: Mary Ellen
Father's_Forenames: Philip
Mother's_Forenames: Elisabeth
Mother's_Surname:
Residence: Hewelsfield
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: James Lukin Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P175 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 14
Parish_Chapel: Hewelsfield

I have not been able to find a birth/baptism index for Elizabeth Herbert 1860, daughter of Philip and Elizabeth.

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Hi Paul,
Thank you so much for the information. It is Elizabeth born to Amanda and Thomas that I am looking for in 1871. I cannot find where she went when her mother died. However, you have solved one problem for me. I did find Elizabeth living with Philip in 1871 and wondered if they had taken her as their daughter - particularly as I could not find the baptism for their Elizabeth. So I am still searching for who cared for the young Elizabeth in 1865 to 1881 when I find her again.

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1871 England Census RG10/5296; Folio: 33; Page: 2
Parish of Hewelsfield

Phillip Herbert - Head - Mar - 53 - Butcher - Hewelsfield
Elizabeth Herbert - Wife - Mar - 52 - Penalt Monmouth
John Herbert - Son - Un - 16 - aprentice - Hewelsfield
Isaac Herbert - Son - 14 - Hewelsfield
Mary Herbert - Daughter - 12 - Hewelsfield
Elizabeth Herbert - Daughter - 10 - Hewelsfield

1881 England Census RG11/5220; Folio: 57; Page: 1
Parish of Lancaut Lancaut Farm

Henry Rymer - Head - Mar - 51 - Farmer of 380 acres employing 4 men & 1 boy
Gloucestershire Tidenham
Ellen Rymer - Wife - Mar - 49 - Farmer's Wife - Gloucestershire Thornbury
Clara Rymer - Daur - Unm - 22 - Farmer's Daughter - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Alfred Rymer - Son - Unm - 20 - Farmer's Son - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Henry Rymer - Son - Unm - 18 - Farmer's Son - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Charles Rymer - Son - Unm - 17 - Farmer's Son - Gloucestershire Lancaut
James W Rymer - Son - Unm - 15 - Farmer's Son - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Harold Rymer - Son - Unm - 14 - Farmer's Son - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Ellen Rymer - Daur - 12 - Scholar - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Annie Rymer - Daur - 9 - Scholar - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Florence Rymer - Daur - 8 - Scholar - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Ernest Rymer - Son - 7 - Scholar - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Charlotte Rymer - Daur - 5 - Scholar - Gloucestershire Lancaut
Elizabeth Herbert - Serv - Unm - 20 - General Serv Domestic - Gloucestershire Tidenham

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Year: 1882
Month: Nov
Day: 13
Groom_Surname: DUFFIELD
Groom_Forenames: John
Groom_Age: 51
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Hudnalls
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Duffield
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: HERBERT
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Servant
Brides_Residence: S[t] Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Herbert
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Malster
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness 1: Mark of George Creswick
Witness 2: Emma Creswick
Other_Witness
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Taprell Allen Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 221
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

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Hi Paul,
You have found my problem. I am looking for Elizabeth Herbert born 1860 to Amanda and Thomas. She is the one working for the Rymer family in 1881. When she marries in 1882 she is listed as a servant and gives her father's name as Thomas. But where was she in 1871?
I can only find Elizabeth born to Phillip and Elizabeth in 1871 - the same one you found in 1861.
I suppose I need to check the census of all the extended family for my Elizabeth - obviously someone must have taken her when Amanda her mother died in 1865.
Thanks again

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<working on it >
1851
Tom Herbert abt 1823 Havelfield, Gloucestershire, England Servant Tidenham, Gloucestershire

Name: Elizabeth Herbert
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Chepstow
County: Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 6

1861 nr Wallop? Farm
Thomas Herbert abt 1821 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Amando Herbert abt 1826 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Wife Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Edgar Herbert abt 1856 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Herbert abt 1860 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Henriette Herbertabt 1843 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire
John H Herbert abt 1849 Hewlsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Phillip Herbert abt 1858 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Herbert abt 1854 St Beawels, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire

1871
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1881
Elizabeth Herbert abt 1861 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Servant Lancaut, Gloucestershire

1891
John Duffield abt 1844 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavel, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Duffield abt 1861 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavel, Gloucestershire

1901
John Duffield abt 1842 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Duffield abt 1859 Lidenham, Gloucestershire, England Wife St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Amanda Duffield abt 1894 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
John Duffield abt 1900 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Son St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Rachel Duffield abt 1893 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Rolla Duffield abt 1898 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Briavels, Gloucestershire

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Hi,
Yes, Elizabeth seems to be 'lost' in 1871. I also cannot find her father Thomas. I know that he remarried in 1866. It may be that she stayed with Thomas and his new wife but why? - all the other children went to members of the family. It just niggles to have a loose end.

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