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I'm looking for the marriage date of James Markey ACTON who was born in Longhope in 1812, I know he married an Eliza JAMES but cannot find where. According to the 1851 Census she was born in St Johns Gloucester, so perhaps they married out of the Forest of Dean area.

This is a long shot but I was wondering whether anyone could help, please.

Regards
Esther

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Year: 1811
Month: Jul
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: ACTON
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Longhope
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MARKEY
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Longhope
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Joseph Markey
Witness_2: Emma Starkey
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Berkin [?] Off[iciatin]g Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Longhope

Year: 1812
Month: Aug
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: ACTON
Child_Forenames: James Markey
Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P206 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 132
Parish_Chapel: Longhope

... and possibly prior to 1837 (?)

1841
James Acton abt 1813 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope, Gloucestershire
Eliza Acton abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope, Gloucestershire
Joseph Acton abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope, Gloucestershire
Maria Acton abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Lower and Upper Longhope,

1851
James Markey Acton abt 1813 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Longhope, Gloucestershire
Eliza Acton abt 1817 St Johns, Gloucestershire, England Wife Longhope, Gloucestershire
Caroline Acton abt 1846 Drayton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Eliza Acton James abt 1844 Drayton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Fanny Jane Acton abt 1842 Drayton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
George Acton abt 1850 Drayton, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Joseph Charles Acton abt 1838 St Johns, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Maria Acton abt 1840 Drayton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Thomas Henry Acton abt 1849 Drayton, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire

1861
James M Acton abt 1813 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Head Longhope, Gloucestershire
Eliza Acton abt 1817 Gloster, Gloucestershire, England Wife Longhope, Gloucestershire
Caroline Acton abt 1846 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
David Acton abt 1855 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Edwin J Acton abt 1853 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Eliza Acton abt 1844 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Fanny J Acton abt 1842 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Francis Acton abt 1857 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
George Acton abt 1851 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Acton abt 1860 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Longhope, Gloucestershire
Thomas H Acton abt 1849 Longhope, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire

the St John(s) [the Baptist] is a reference to a Parish in the City of Gloucester, which is where I suspect the marriage took place

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Yes, I believe it was, their first child was born in the Spring of 1837.

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I have found the family in each census from 1841 to 1881, details of which I am happy to post if you need.
I have found baptism records for all of the children, details of which I am happy to post if you need, except for Joseph b1837. I have not been able to find a record for him. Do you know where he was baptized?
I would like to ask how you know James married an Eliza James?

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I have the birth certificate of Maria Acton (their second child), who is my great grandmother. It states on there that Eliza's maiden name was James.

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Looks like their first sprog was born there as well:

1851
Joseph Charles Acton abt 1838 St Johns, Gloucestershire, England Son Longhope, Gloucestershire

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I am researching James Markey Acton of Longhope (my x2 great grandfather) and his lineage.
His father-in-law Joseph James' death certificate states he was an "out pensioner, Royal Hospital, Chelsea".
Looking for military records I've found a "Joseph James" with the correct birth year but in "Clomore, Gloucestershire"... he was born in Quedgeley, next door to Elmore.
Has anybody come across a Clomore in Gloucestershire or would it be fair to assume it's a miss-transcription of Elmore?
I cannot see the actual scan of the record as "Findmypast" have linked it to the wrong record... I am awaiting their response.

I know this is strictly outside the Forest but there is a - tenuous - link.
Regards Fozzy

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Just to put some dates - Many trees on Public Members Trees on Ancestry with Joseph JAMES/Delilah HUBEN - parents of Elizabeth

Gloucestershire Baptism Index

Assume you mean

Eliza JAMES - christened at Glos St John the Baptist - 22 January 1817 - daughter of Joseph (labourer) & Delilah

Ancestry has: Frederick JAMES christened 31 December 1815, Chatham Kent, parents Joseph & Delilah - which would mean Joseph left the Army sometime after 1815….. (St Mary's Church, on CLDS)

and at Quedgley - Joseph & Delilah had

Jane - 9 June 1822
George - 22 Februry 1824
Thomas - 20 May 1827
Fanny - 12 July 1829
David - 5 February 1832
Joseph William - 21 September 1834

Joseph is aged 65 on the 1841 census, and Delilah 45 (1851 census, born Westham Sussex)

Family trees state: Joseph JAMES death 28 December 1842, Quedgley

CLDS

Marriage at Holy Cross, Canterbury, Kent - 14 October 1810 - Joseph JAMES/Delilah HUBEN

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Joseph Charles ACTON was christened 7 May 1837 - son of James Marker ACTON (beer seller) and Eliza

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From Public Members Trees

Baptism at Quedgley - 18 March 1781

Joseph JAMES - parents : William & Esther

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Gloucestershire Burial Index

Joseph JAMES - buried at Quedgley - 28 December 1842 aged 69 = c1773

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???

Gloucestershire Marriage CD pre 1800

Anselm JAMES - married Elizabeth PYKE - 7 October 1739 at Elmore

Son: William JAMES - 12 November 1752 born Elmore

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Thank you, I have all of that except their possible first child Frederick James in Chatham. If the military record for "Clomore" rather than Elmore is his, then he served in the 2nd Dragoon Guards-5th Royal Veteran Battalion 1793-1816. But from my limited research, towards the end of his career the Veteran Battalion was serving at home quelling troubles here therefore allowing his marriage and first child.
Serving in the military does of course explain why Joseph a Quedgeley man married in Canterbury, and Delilah's sister Clarinda and son George (who was to marry Fanny Jane Acton) ended-up in Gloucestershire and not Kent when her husband "disappeared".
Regards Rich

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Managed to call up by googling

CityarkMedway - (can't seem to do the link)http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/

St Mary's Chatham records are on line - tried to run copy off - but can only get page 244 (it's a bit technical)

baptism record of Frederick 31 December 1815 at St Mary's Chatham is on line - it is on Page 245 - you have to use your cursor to go across from Page 244.

Joseph's occupation is listed as : SOLDIER : abode Chatham

4 other couples are listed next to Joseph & Delilah JAMES (all Soldiers) at Chatham -

one a Bombadier

Robert - son of Robert & Eleanor GRAY - 27 December 1815

these 3 the same day as Frederick JAMES

Eleanor - parents Edward & Eleanor EVANS - Soldier
Charles Drummond - parents William & Elizabeth WEIR - Gunner
George - parents John & Catherine MORRISON - Soldier

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I've managed to save the page - if you want me to forward this to you I will do so - not sure where the envelopes are next to names to make contact?

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I would be most grateful if you could forward it to me!
I have looked at the Cityark site and got completely lost...
Regards Rich

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I seem to have lost the 'envelope' next to my name for contact - and 'fozzy' hasn't got an envelope either - perhaps Admin will give us one - or perhaps we need to do something to get one back.

My envelope has now appeared (thanks) - click on this and make contact.

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I seem to have lost the 'envelope' next to my name for contact - and 'fozzy' hasn't got an envelope either - perhaps Admin will give us one - or perhaps we need to do something to get one back.

done for MPG - you may need to log out and re login for the change to come through..

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There is an old message of Rootschat - re: James HYETT from Huntley born 1773

1793-1814 - who served in the 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bay) - as a Sergeant - same troop as your Joseph JAMES and the same year enlisting i.e.1793

The contributor found the military information on James Hyett from the 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards website

http://www.qdg.org.uk

'James Hyett enlisted as a Private in 1793. On the muster roll he was first sent with the Queens Bays to Flanders which I understand is the Flanders Campaign where they fought against the French revolutionary forces.

After this the Queens Bays on James' records and on the QDG website seem to show no more fighting actions. The next report of battle by QDG is Waterloo. From 1807 there was the Peninsular War but the Queens Bays were not included in the fight against Napoleon.

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Prior to this James and the Queens Bays were stationed in Ireland from Mar 1803 to quell the rebellion and riots led by Robert Emmet. The Queens Bays were in Ireland for nearly three years.

In 1811 James was transferred to the 11th Veterans until he was discharged in 1814 on disbandment of the 11th Veterans etc etc.'

1851 Census Huntley

Common

James HYETT 78 - Pensioner, born Glos. Huntley
Susan HYETT - 74 - born Norfolk, N.K. (nee LADLE - Public Members Tree Ancestry)

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Hi Fozzy,
after searching the net and studying maps old and new, as I'm sure you've already done, I can't see anywhere in your area called Clomore. In fact I can't see such a place anywhere in the UK, or Clomoor either, but no doubt there may be such a place, if only Clomore Farm etc.
So in this instance I certainly suspect you're correct and it's a transcript error. Think you'll have to be "patient" and hope FMP get a scan.

I did wonder if you could get a scan from the National Archives site, however it appears that they also refer you to FMP.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierupto191...

If by some misfortune a scan isn't forthcoming perhaps you can view it in-person at the NA, or probably best to try the Hospital website itself ?.
http://www.chelsea-pensioners.co.uk/tracing-ancestors

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Yes, I agree, patience is the word.
It is difficult though when out of all the miners and labourers up pops a relative with a slightly more interesting past.
Regards Rich

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James Markey Acton was my great, great Grandfather. He married Eliza James on 31st July 1836 in St. Mary de Lode Church in Gloucester. James Markey Acton died on 14th February 1887 aged 74, Eliza Acton died 30th December 1890. They were both buried in Longhope churchyard. My great Grandfather was Francis Acton tenth child of James Markey and Eliza Acton, born 28th January 1857. He married Jane Jones from Oxenhall on 28th January 1877. Francis was the last surviving child, he died on 15th April 1951 aged 94.

I have loads more info on the Acton family if you have any other queries you would like answered. I belong to the Gloucestershire Family History Society and as I live locally I am able to go in there when I have time.

Best wishes
Jan

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Hi Jan

Thanks for that. James Markey Acton is also my great great Grandfather, I am descended from James and Eliza's second child Maria, born 4 June 1839, she married Benjamin Malsom on 24 March 1873 (he was actually her second husband.
I do not have her exact date of death.

Do you have any information on Eliza James's parents. I have James Acton's parents as Charles Acton and Anna Markey, do you have any info on Charles's parents. Any information would be much appreciated.

Best wishes
Esther

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Hello Esther

Glad the info was of help to you. I don't have any information on Eliza James' parents. I have a printout of the marriage of James and Eliza, the witnesses were Joseph James and Jane James but what relation they were to Eliza I don't know. I do know that Eliza came from the Quedgeley area of Gloucester.

I think Charles Acton and Ann Markey married on 11th July 1811 in the Parish Church of Longhope. Their witnesses were Joseph Markey and Emma Markey (again I don't know what relation they were to Ann). I found a Charles and Ann Acton on the 1841 census living in Longhope. Their estimated birth years were 1771 and 1791 respectively - that's quite an age difference! I can't be sure they are James' parents but it looks promising.

I'm gradually trawling my way through the Parish Records for Longhope at the Gloucester Archives, but it is very time consuming, as I'm sure you know. I will let you know if I find any more information on Charles and Ann, or Eliza (I will try looking for her baptism on the Quedgely church records).

Thanks for the info on Maria. I have a complete list of all the siblings and their dates of birth given to me years ago by my Dad - the Actons are his mother's side of the family.

Good luck with your searching and maybe hear from you again sometime.

Best wishes

Jan

P.S. where do you live?

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Hi Jan

I do not have all the dates of birth of the Acton children, would be nice to have sometime. The Joseph Markey witness to Charles Acton and Ann Markey's wedding could be either her father or brother, I have not as yet come across an Emma Markey.

I live near Abertillery in Gwent.

Best wishes
Esther

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Hi Esther

Here are the dob's you wanted:

Joseph Charles Acton born 8 April 1837
Maria Acton born 4 June 1839
Fanny Jane born 20 March 1842
Eliza Acton born 30 January 1844
Caroline Acton born 13 February 1846
Thomas Henry Acton born 30 October 1848
George Acton born 13 November 1850
Edwin James Acton born 10 May 1852
David Acton born 3 September 1854
Francis Acton born 28 January 1857
Sarah Anne Acton born 15 August 1859

I visited Longhope Church last weekend to look for graves. I found one for Caroline who died 30 September 1867 aged 21 and another one with inscriptions for several Actons. Unfortunately the grave for James and Eliza seems to have disappeared! Did you visit the church recently? There was an entry in the Visitor's Book I thought might be you.

I expect you already know that Maria's first husband was Joseph Malsom who died in 1868 aged 37. They married in Longhope Church in 1858. I think they had two children. Her second husband, Benjamin Malsom was obviously some relation to her first husband?

Good luck with your searching.

Best wishes

Jan

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Hi Jan

Thank you for the dates of the Actons. We have been to Longhope Church recently, I may have signed the visitor book, I can't remember, must be getting old!!!

I don't know what the relationship is between Benjamin and Joseph Malsom, if any. I believe Joseph's parents were William and Mary, while Benjamin's were William and Anne.

Best wishes

Esther

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just trawling through old postings and would like to answer this question if anybody is still studying this line...
Eliza James was the eldest of 8 children born to Joseph James (1781-1842) and Delilah Huben (1793-1855)

Fozzy

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Hi, thanks for the info on Eliza James had not been able to find her parents. Do you have any names of her siblings please. Am I right in thinking that they used to live in Quedgeley?

Regards
Esther

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Hello Esther
hope the following helps
Cheers Fozzy

Her grandparents...
WILLIAM JAMES . He married Hester ROWLES on 10 Oct 1780 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (FreeREG 28760).

Her parents...
JOSEPH JAMES (William1) was born before 18 Mar 1781 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England ("England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index). He died before 28 Dec 1842 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Burial Index 1813-1851). He married Delilah HUBEN, daughter of Thomas HUBEN and Hannah BIGNALL on 14 Oct 1810 in Canterbury, Kent, England ("England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," index). She was born on 15 Apr 1793 in Westham, Sussex, England ("England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index). She died in Jan 1855 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom.

Joseph JAMES and Delilah HUBEN had the following children:
i. ELIZA JAMES was born on 12 Jan 1817 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). She died on 30 Dec 1890 in Longhope, Gloucestershire, England (Gravestone, All Saints Church). She married James Markey ACTON, son of Charles ACTON and Ann MARKEY on 31 Jul 1836 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England ( Forest of Dean Family History Trust). He was born in 1813 in Gloucestershire, England. He died on 14 Feb 1887 in Longhope, Gloucestershire, England (Gravestone, All Saints Church).
ii. EDWIN JAMES was born on 12 Aug 1819 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). He died in Oct 1892 in Chelsea, London, United Kingdom (Age: 72). He married MARY JAMES. She was born about 1828 in Minsterworth, Gloucestershire, England.
iii. JANE JAMES was born on 09 Jun 1822 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). She died in Oct 1879 in Gloucester, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom (Age: 58). She married Henry WAKEFIELD in 1850 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (Glos BMD). He was born about 1824 in Elmore, Gloucestershire, England.
iv. GEORGE JAMES was born on 22 Feb 1824 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). He died in Jul 1881 in Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom (Age: 55). He married Elizabeth BARROW in 1845 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (Glos BMD). She was born about 1823 in Gloucestershire, England.
v. THOMAS JAMES was born on 20 May 1827 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). He died in Jan 1914 in Kensington, London, United Kingdom (Age: 86). He married Elizabeth ASHME in 1850 in Gloucester St Mary de Lode, Gloucestershire, England (GlosBMD). She was born about 1824 in Hucclecote, Gloucestershire, England.
vi. FANNY JAMES was born on 12 Jul 1829 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837).
vii. DAVID JAMES was born on 05 Feb 1832 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). He died on 21 Apr 1870 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Burial Index 1813-1851). He married Maria BOSLEY in 1855 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (Glos BMD). She was born in 1825 in Westbury, Gloucestershire, England.
viii. JOSEPH WILLIAM JAMES was born on 21 Sep 1834 in Quedgeley, Gloucestershire, England (GFHS Baptism Index 1813-1837). He died in Oct 1904 in Oswestry, Shropshire, United Kingdom (Age: 70). He married (1) ELIZA TAYLOR in 1856 in Gloucester (St John the Baptist), Gloucestershire, England (Glos BMD). He married MARY EDWARDS in 1878 in Oswestry, Shropshire, England.

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Hi Fozzy
Thanks very much for the info, fills a few gaps in the family, had hit brick wall with regards to Eliza James. Thanks again.

Regards
Esther

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Glad to help Esther...
Eliza's children Fanny Jane Acton and Sarah Anna Acton are both my great grandparents so if you need any further detailed info just shout.
Cheers Fozzy

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Can anyone match up Joseph Acton, of Longhope (born circa 1745) with the earlier Acton family of Longhope? I have set out a tentative tree below, starting with Henry Acton, of Longhope, 4th son of Humphrey Acton, of Burton, Worcestershire and his wife Alice Cooksey. According to the Visitation of Worcestershire Humphrey Acton was a descendant of Sir Roger Acton, of Sutton, Worcestershire, a famous Lollard and favourite of King Henry IV who gave him a robe made of cloth of gold, executed for heresy in January 1414.

Henry Acton, of Longhope, Gloucestershire and Surdham, Hampshire, married Alice Read, daughter of John Read, of Longhope, and died 1631, having had issue,

1a Elizabeth Acton, baptised at Longhope 26 May 1599, and married William
Tyler, of Michelldeane, leaving issue.

2a Alicia Acton, baptised at Longhope 4 October 1600, and married Thomas Nurse,
leaving issue.

3a Avice Acton, baptised at Longhope 20 May 1602, and married John Woodward,
leaving issue.

4a William Acton, see below.

5a Anne Acton, baptised at Longhope 13 June 1606.

The only son,

William Acton, born 1604, matriculated Brasenose College, Oxford 24 October 1623, and had issue,

1a Henry Acton, see below.

The only son,

Henry Acton, living 1631, possibly ancestor of,

1a Francis Acton, see below.

His possible descendant,

Francis Acton, of Longhope, married at Longhope 30 March 1730 Sarah Cox, and had issue,

1a Eunice Acton, baptised at Longhope 13 June 1731.

2a Francis Acton, baptised at Longhope 26 August 1733.

3a Mary Acton, baptised at Blaisdon, Gloucestershire 2 November 1735.

4a George Acton, see below.

(5a?) Joseph Acton, see below.

The elder son,

George Acton, of Longhope, baptised at Blaisdon 30 July 1736, married first Sarah, and had issue,

1f John Acton, baptised at Longhope 19 September 1762.

2f George Acton, baptised at Longhope 5 January 1764.

3f Lois Acton, baptised at Longhope 26 January 1766.

4f Samuel Acton, baptised at Longhope 1 May 1768.

5f Eunice Acton, baptised at Longhope 3 January 1773.

6f Catherine Acton, baptised at Longhope 25 July 1779.

(cont) George Acton, of Longhope, married second Rosanna, and had issue

7f Joseph Acton, baptised at Longhope 9 February 1783.

The possible younger son,

Joseph Acton, of Longhope, born at Longhope circa 1745, married at Longhope 13 April 1764 Anna Watkins, and died at Longhope 1806, having had issue,

1a Charles Acton, of Longhope, baptised at Longhope 12 March 1769, married
at Longhope 11 July 1811 Anne Markey (born circa 1791), daughter of Richard
Markey and his wife Anne, and died at Longhope 1850, leaving issue.

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Wow! How very interesting!Thanks for posting all that.
I'm curious to know whether you've made any progress with this.
Regards,
Jamie.

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