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I wonder if anyone can help me .. I recently bought a bassoon dating from around 1800 .. the maker's stamp on the instrument is Sinderby - and is totally unknown as an instrument maker.

Around this time most Sinderbys seem to live in and around Gloucestershire .. and were mainly various sorts of metal workers.

The bassoon is very well made (not the work of an amateur) and I would really expect to find a Sinderby who was a wood-turner at least, if not an instrument maker.

I have been Googling and researching left right and centre, and still haven't pin-pointed the right Sinderby..

The lack of a christian name doesn't help - nor does the lack of any dates! He could have been born any time from 1720 (at a push!) to around 1785/90!

I need somewhere which will have trades mentioned - the Gloucestershire Trade Directories haven't helped (just a metal worker found) .. and the census hasn't come up with the answer..

My last hope is parish records .. I think/hope they may list professions?

Sinderbys are to be found in Flaxley, Westbury, Longhope, Huntley, Ruardean, Churcham and Fretherne .. and possibly elsewhere!

I'd be really grateful for any help - even help with ruling some Sinderbys out would be very welcome!

Thank you :)

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Its about the same era , so I wonder if your musical instrunment maker was linked to William Wheatstone in Gloucester ?

Wheatstone was involved in Organ type instruments - concertina etc , so the link to Bassoon is a possible :-)

Charles Wheatstone was born in Gloucester on February 1802 to William and Beata Wheatstone ( nee Bubb, father Samuel). William Wheatstone had a musical instrument making business in Gloucester and consequently Charles's first interests were musical. From a young age Charles Wheatstone conducted experiments on musical instruments and studied the scientific principles involved. In 1806 his father moved his business from Gloucester to Pall Mall, London where he not only made musical instruments but also taught music.

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The firm of Wheatstone commenced in London in 1750, in the old Exeter 'Change building, near to where the Lyceum Theatre now stands. This musical instrument and publishing firm was founded by Charles Wheatstone's uncle, also named Charles (hereafter referred to as 'Uncle Charles').

Charles Wheatstone was born on 6 Feb 1802, at Barnwood Manor House, Barnwood, near Gloucester. His father William was a 'cordwainer' or shoemaker, who may have also had a musical instrument business in Gloucester. The family moved to London in 1806, and after the Exeter 'Change building was demolished, uncle Charles's business moved to 436 Strand, near Charing Cross. Thereafter, Langwill records father William Wheatstone at 128 Pall Mall from 1813 to 1823, at 24 Charles Street from 1823 to 1824, and at 118 Jermyn Street from 1824 to 1826

In 1818, when aged just sixteen, Charles Wheatstone produced his first known new musical instrument, the 'flute harmonique', a keyed flute of some kind. There is a novel keyed and free reeded 'flute' in the C M Collection, item C533, once the property of Wheatstone, though of French origin, which may relate to the Flute Harmonique. Charles Wheatstone's youth in general was much involved with science.

Given Wheatstone and Bubb appear in the Forest it is possible that a Cinderby / Sinderby link exists

SAMUEL BUBB
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Marriages:
Spouse: SOPHIA DOLMAN
Marriage: 25 MAY 1761 Barnwood, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M035323 1754 - 1885 0991431 Film 6901281 Film
Sheet: 00

BEATA BUBB
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 MAY 1771 Barnwood, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: SAMUEL BUBB
Mother: SOPHIA
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C035321 1569 - 1812 0417117 Film 6911844 Film
Sheet: 00

BEATA BUBB
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Marriages:
Spouse: WILLIAM WHEATSTONE
Marriage: 27 AUG 1799 Barnwood, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M035323 1754 - 1885 0991431 Film 6901281 Film
Sheet: 00

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Thank you for that :)

I shall look into it ..

In my search I just found this ..

http://www.sterryworldwide.com/Will%20Thomas%20Sterry%201831.htm

A George Sinderby (there are several!) is one of the chaps on my hit list!

Do you know where one would source wills such as the one in my link?

I have downloaded 2 or 3 from the Kew archives site .. which are remarkably twidderly and will need a lot of deciphering! They seem like a fabulous resource for seeing people's professions!

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After another day Googling .. I think I may have a lead ..

I think that there is a marble commemorative plaque to Thomas Sinderby d.1812, in Church of St Mary, St Peter & St Paul, Westbury-on-Severn... the reason it feels a lead is that it apparently depicts him with a violin and bow in his hand .. so at last and at least there is a musical connection!

However I can find no picture of it, nor any contact details for the church..

Does anyone by any chance know the church and whether it is generally kept unlocked? Or who I might contact locally to follow up any local details about him?

I feel a visit may be required!

Thank you :)

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Year: 1752
Month: Feb
Day: 9
Parents_Surname: SINDERBY
Child_Forenames: Tho[mas]
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: John Lewis Priest
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes: Old style date 1751/52
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 87
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

Year: 1812
Month: Mar
Day: 13
Surname: SINDERBY
Forenames: Thomas
Residence:
Age_at_death: Aged 60
Officiating_Minister: Richard Wetherell Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/3
Page_No: 152
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

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Thank you :)

I'd found his death, but seemed to have missed his birth, so that's great!

I can't wait to see if he's my man :)

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Church of St Mary, St Peter & St Paul, Westbury-on-Severn,

Bell Lane, Westbury-on-Severn GL14 1PD

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Thank you :)

Well - I've checked in the Pevsner book .. and sure enough it says ..

St. Peter and St. Paul

Monuments - South aisle/West end - Thomas Sinderby (d. 1812), by J. Pearce of Frampton; white marble tablet with a charming relief of violin, bow and open music book.

Well - it doesn't mean it IS my man - but it looks rather promising .. now I need to find out what it says on the plaque and then do a local search .. any suggestions of where to go from here, please? :)

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This morning I was in the vicinity of Westbury on Severn Church so took the time to look for the memorial you refer to.It was there exactly as described so I noted the wording upon it.
Near this place lie the remains of Thomas Sinderby of Pops's Hill
Who lived much esteemed and died deeply lamented March 9th 1812 aged 60 years.
Also Hannah his wife died March 25th 1837 aged 78.
There were a couple of short Biblical quotes which I did not record.
If you should like a photograph I will endeavour to take one in the future.

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Thank you - that's really kind :)

And someone has sent me a photo of it now, but thank you so much for the thought :)

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Apparently Thomas Sinderby lived in Pope's Hill .. so I need to investigate there to find out more about his life now :)

http://i38.tinypic.com/nbu16f.jpg

I'm not sure if that will work?

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Yup. It does!

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Year: 1778
Month: Jun
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: SINDERBY
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: THOMAS
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Of this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: W Williams
Witness_2: Toby Cowles
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J Morse Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 354 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 86
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

Year: 1837
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Surname: SINDERBY
Forenames: Hannah
Residence: Westbury
Age_at_death: 78
Officiating_Minister: William Crawley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P354 IN 1/8
Page_No: 99
Parish_Chapel: Westbury on Severn

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Thank you :)

I'm getting quite a good little immediate family tree (parents, siblings and children), thanks to the parish registers - tis a wonderful facility!

Thank you, all you compilers and transcribers : )

It's proving a bit more tricky to find out about his life though!

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Im doing research into my family name and have some detials, , i can trace back to 1821, but thats it at the moment? :)

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Im doing research into my family name and have some detials, , i can trace back to 1821, but thats it at the moment? :)

dont overlook the Cinderby, Cinderley, etc variations

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Looking at the Gloucestershire Baptism Index from 1813 onwards

The surname is spelt 3/4 ways

CINDRY
SINDERBERRY
SINDERBURY
SINDERBY

There are children born in Wotton-Under Edge from 1816 onwards of a Charles SINDERBY (Brazier, Tin Man) & Elizabeth - in High Street and Long Street. The family stayed in the area - and are on the 1830 Pigots Directory - George SINDERBY - Brazier & Tinman - Long Street. Family there 1841 census. Brazier means works in Brass - could be making the metal parts for the instrument?

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London Gazette 1822

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18390/pages/1822/page.pdf

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FOD records

Marriage at Newnham 2 April 1711

Richard SINDERBIE of Westbury to Ann WABER

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I have done quite a lot of research on the Sinderby/Cinderby family, if you are interested you can contact me offline and I will share it with you.

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OMG yeh, That would be fantastic, im really itching to find out more. I would love the help. Thanks. My email is carlsemail AT rocketmail.com or maybe you would like to chat via skype or somthing else, let me know thank you.

Carl D Sinderby

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