Charles Steward

Does any one know?

My grandfather Charles Steward was married to Mary Trigg(born 1887 father Benjamin grandparents Absolem and Sarah)He was a butler of Whigpool in 1915. This was the profession stated on my father's birth registration certificate. I am wondering if any one knows of any "families" in that area back then that he could have been employed with? Can any one suggest how I can find out or is it an impossible request?
j edward

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The Euroclydon would be a good first choice to investigate being close to Wigpool. Thomas (Bennett) Brain was the original "family" owner.

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Thanks for that. I just posted a post card circa 1923 which shows a scene of Wigpool as seen from Euroclydon. So that sounds promising
Cheers! J Edward

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Hi Julie

I have emailed you separately with pictures of Euroclydon, but for the benefit of the posting; census data indicates that there was no Trigg as Butler to the Brains :

1861 Census Ruardean
Thomas Brain 27 Colliery Agent Ruardean
Emily 27 Abinghall
Sophia Ann 3 Ruardean
Emily Jane 1 Ruardean
Sophia Harris servant

1871 Census Hope Mansell
Thomas B Brain head mar 37 Colliery Prop Ruardean
Cornelius J Brain 8 Ruardean
Ellen Hartland brain 6 Gloster
Louise ? governess 15 Bern Switzerland

1881 Census
Household:
Thomas B. BRAIN
Head M Male 47 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Colliery Proprietor Employing Over 1000 Men & Boys
Bertha H.S. BRAIN
Wife M Female 34 East Dean, Gloucester, England
Sophia A. BRAIN
Daur U Female 23 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
Emily J. BRAIN
Daur U Female 21 Ruardean, Gloucester, England
Cornelius J. BRAIN
Son U Male 18 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Farmer Of About 100 Acres
Ellen H. BRAIN
Daur U Female 16 Gloucester, Gloucester, England
Scudamore B. BRAIN
Son Male 8 Hope Mansel, Hereford, England Scholar
Sophia BRAIN
Mother W Female 69 Ruardean, Gloucester, England Annuitant
Elizabeth M. DYER
Visitor U Female 36 Shipton, Gloucester, England
Sarah A. BROBYN
Serv U Female 22 Linton, Hereford, England Dom Serv Nurse
Ellen MARSHALL
Serv U Female 21 East Dean, Gloucester, England Dom Serv Cook
Laura I. GWATKIN
Serv U Female 19 Walford, Hereford, England Dom Serv Housemaid

1891 Census Hope Mansell
Rg12/2056/Folio 37 Page46/7
Thos B Brain 57 Ruardean
Bertha H G 44 East Dean
Ann T Brain 55 visitor Hope Mansell
Elizabeth Ingram servant 19 St Weonards
Elizabeth R Jones servant 16 Ross

1901 Census Euroclydon Hope Mansell
Thomas B Brain 67 Colliery Proprietor Employer Ruardean
Bertha H S Wife 54 East Dean
Caroline Willets servant 20 Housemaid Domestic Monmouth
Kate G Matthews servant 26 Cook Lydbrook

Jim Ashton

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Jim

Oh for the 1911 ( and 1921 ) census

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Jim
To bring the story up to date, after 2 and a bit years !

Name: Bertha Hannah Sophia Brain
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 494

1851 Crown Inn
Thomas Brain abt 1807 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Brain abt 1816 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Alfred James Brain abt 1834 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Ann Tommy Brain abt 1836 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Daughter Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
William Edward Brain abt 1839 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Bertha Hannah Sophia Brain abt 1847 Not Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
John David Brain abt 1848 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Noale Joseph Brain abt 1849 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Arthur Blanch Brain abt 1850 Hope Mansell, Herefordshire, England Son Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
James Brain abt 1796 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Brother Hope Mansell, Herefordshire
Mary Ann Marfell abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Servant Hope Mansell, Herefordshire {especially for Jim ! well there are MARFELL's next door too}

Name: Thomas Bennett Brain
Name: Bertha Hannah S Brain
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chorlton
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 886

Name: Thomas Bennett Brain
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 76
District: Cheltenham
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 237

1911
BRAIN BERTHA HANNHA SOPHIA F 1847 64 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

Name: Bertha R S Brain
Death Registration Month/Year: 1916
Age at death (estimated): 69
Registration district: Axbridge
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 677

Name: Bertha Hannah Sophia Brain
Probate Date: 27 Apr 1916
Death Date: 28 Feb 1916
Death Place: Weston-Super-Mare, Somerset, England
Registry: London

of 10 Atlantic Terrace East W S M widow died 28th February 1916
Probate London 27 April to Emmeline Augusta Brain Spinster £223 18s 7d

<><><><><> Emmaline Augusta Brain

Name: Emmaline Augusta Brain
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bridgend
County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 409

1871 Ruardean
James Albert Brain 31
Mary Brain 37
Emmaline A Brain 8
Oliver B Brain 7
Bernard B Brain 5
Lilian M Brain 1
Bertha H S Brain 24
John D Brain 23
Mary Wilstead 18

1881
James A. Brain abt 1840 Hopemansell, Hereford, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Mary Brain abt 1835 Kineton, Warwickshire, England Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Emmeline A. Brain abt 1863 Llanhury, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Bernard B. Brain abt 1866 Llantrissant, Glamorgan, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Lilian M. Brain abt 1870 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Archibald K. Brain abt 1873 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Sydney J. Powell abt 1872 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1891
James A Brain abt 1840 Hopemannth, Herefordshire, England Head Hackney, London
Mary Brain abt 1835 Kineton, Warwickshire, England Wife Hackney, London
Emmerline A Brain abt 1863 Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Hackney, London
Oliver B Brain abt 1865 Llantrisant, Glamorgan, Wales Son Hackney, London
Lilian M Brain abt 1870 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Hackney, London
William C Perkins abt 1831 Vermont, United States Visitor Hackney, London
Paran F Rice abt 1860 New York, United States Visitor Hackney, London
Arthur B Bran abt 1851 Hopemannice, Herefordshire, England Visitor Hackney, London

1901
James A Brain abt 1840 Hope Mansel, Herefordshire, England Head St Marylebone, London
Mary Brain abt 1834 Kineton, Warwickshire, England Wife St Marylebone, London
Emmeline A Brain abt 1863 Leanhary, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter St Marylebone, London
Lilian M Brain abt 1870 Ruardon, Gloucestershire, England Daughter St Marylebone, London

1911
BRAIN EMMELINE AUGUSTA F 1863 48 St Marylebone London
BRAIN LILLIAN MAUD F 1871 40 St Marylebone London

Name: Emmeline A Brain
Death Registration Month/Year: 1947
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: Watford
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 4b
Page: 239

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Thank you Slowhands for the personalised item !!

My great great grandmother Mary Ann Marfell 1835 shown on the 1851 Census entry as servant to Thomas Brain 1807, was in fact his 2nd cousin twice removed, he is then of course my 2nd cousin 5 times removed. Mary Ann Marfell 1835 married her 1st cousin Cornelius Marfell 1832 in 1853. Cornelius died in an Iron Mining Accident at Wigpool in 1865.

As you say regarding the Thomas Brain 1851 Census entry, there are indeed Marfell's next door; my 1st cousin 5 times removed Jonathon Marfell 1795 and Phebe nee Meek 1795, Phebe being the daughter of Thomas Meek 1766 and Sarah Marfell 1767 - my great great great great great aunt !!

Within the same 1851 Census entry is daughter Anne Tommey Brain 1835, she married Cornelius Brain 1830 at Hope Mansell 1855. Their son Francis William Thomas Brain (later Knighted) was an Engineer who worked with Thomas Bennett Brain, owner of Trafalgar Mine and the person who had Euroclydon built. As a result, Trafalgar mine became the first mine to have electricity - see my posting:
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=12849

As an aside, my grandmother Jane Kate Marfell 1888 - the grandaughter of Mary Ann Marfell above, married Tom Treherne 1885. When Tom Treherne worked at Trafalgar mine, he contracted scillicosis, which caused him to cease work and the whole family moved to Croydon, where my aunt was in service. He received nothing from the Mine owners. Ironically Jane Kate Treherne nee Marfell would not have known that Thomas Bennett Brain was her 3rd cousin.

In my 2008 posting on this thread, I indicated that I would email some pictures of Euroclydon. I cannot post those as they are extracted from a book and would probably cause copyright difficulties. It is however such an iconic and important Forest of Dean landmark, that I will post a photograph I took myself, unfortunately on a slightly misty day.

Jim Ashton

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Euroclydon situated just north of the Hawthorns crossroads was built as a private dwelling in 1860 for Thomas Bennett Brain 1833/1909, owner of Trafalgar Coal Mine. The tower was built so that the Brain family could keep their eye on Trafalgar Colliery. It later became Euroclydon Hotel before reverting to private ownership. Around 1980 it became Euroclydon Nursing Home.

Jim Ashton

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David

Thanks for posting the picture of Euroclydon so promptly.

See also another picture posting, regarding Euroclydon :

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/gallery/fod_variety_1/pages/page_41.html

Jim Ashton

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Two other families which might be considered are Francis Wintle Brewery owner and the Colchester family from the Wilderness both being connected to the Mitcheldean area and close to Wigpool [present day spelling].

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Thanks Maurice that gives me a couple more leads.
Cheers Jedward

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