Gypsies in the FoD during 1800s

Found a note on the parish records (burial in 1873 in Drybrook) saying Ambrose Dickson was a gypsy living on Plump Hill at time of death. As he is my direct line I would like to pursue this further.

Any ideas how to research a gypsy line with Forest connections?

Karen

Hi Karen

This link is on our Resources & Links page under Miscellaneous:

http://users.nwon.com/pauline/Travellers.html

Regards
Chris

Thanks very much for this link - looks excellent (and a severe distraction from the work I currently have open around me!) :-)

I look forward to many hours of digging.

Karen

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=7388

is an example of moderate success tracking one such family.

Whilst the enumerators were suppose to "capture" the details of those camped in the Forest, my guess is that they did not in all cases - we can speculate as to why :-)

meanwhile on with this limited information

Year: 1873
Month: Jul
Day: 9
Surname: DIXON
Forenames: Ambrose
Residence: Popes Hill (Gypsy)
Age_at_death: 82
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta
Memoranda: Letter P in left hand margin Name is annotated NY Odd Grave
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 68
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1861 Class: RG9; Piece: 1755; Folio: 40; Page: 17;
Heywood nr Cinderford
Dickson Family - no christian names
head 55 pedlar - {ambrose ?}
wife 50 pedlar - {mary ann ?}
son 20 tinker
dau 30 pedlar
dau 25 pedlar
son 15 pedlar - {edmund ?}
grandson 5
grandson 2

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Year 1868
Month: Feb
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: DICKSON
Child_Forenames: Lecharick [?]
Fathers_Forenames: Edwin
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: A Tramp
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Son of]
Notes: [1868] noted in margin & above entry
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Year: 1883
Month: Mar
Day: 16
Surname: DICKSON
Forenames: Hephzibah
Residence: Westbury-on-Severn
Age_at_death: 47
Officiating_Minister: J H Hawkins Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [not sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated Odd NY
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 167
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Year: 1846
Month: Sep
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: DIXON
Child_Forenames: Edmund
Fathers_Forenames: Ambrose
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Wanderers
Occupation: Travelling Tinker
Officiating_Minister: Rob R Hurle Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P49 1/4
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Blaisdon

1871 Gypsy tent , Caerleon nr The White Lion
Edmund Dixon 26 Glos Ironmonger
Charity Dixon 24 Worc
Rosa Dixon 5 kingsmore
Samuel Dixon 3 painswick

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Looks like you have found me a brother to my Sophia (Daughter of Ambrose)! She married Charles Barnard, but was born in Chosen - persumably in the vicinity of the hill - and so doesn't appear on the Forest site.

karen

you do get the sense of what "travelling" meant .. Painswick,Churchdown, Blaisden, Worcestershire, Caerleon - following Seasonal work / harvests and doing pots/pans, knife sharpening ? ( sorry ifthat is too stereotype ! )

there are also DIXON's in Stow - a classic area for Gypsies and the horse fair...

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

Charles Barnard & Sophia Dickson had 9 children. The eldest son, Jonathan, is my great grandfather.

Hello there im just wondering do you know the names of the 9 children?I was mistakenly tring to trace a Phillip Barnard but hes nothing to do with our family im trying to trace a Charlotte Barnard maybe she was one of the 9 children or one of them had a child called Charlotte?

Hello there im just wondering did Charles Barnard have any relations called Phillip Barnard born in East Dean around 1816 he was married to Sarah and had a daughter Charlotte?

I haven't found any Philip Barnards so far. But anything's possible. :-)

1881 Newham Bottom , Ruardean
Ambrose Butler abt 1831 Northamptonshire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire Pedlar
Carnation Butler abt 1866 Worcestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean
Isiah Butler abt 1860 Worcestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean Gloucestershire

a couple of entries away...

1881
Stephen Dickson abt 1846 Longford,[GLOUCESTERSHIRE] Ireland Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire Pedlar
Sarah Dickson abt 1861 Standish Common, Worcestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

begs the question was Sarah a BUTLER from Worcestershire too ?

which could be this stephen...

Year: 1920
Month: Apr
Day: 28
Surname: DIXON
Forenames: Stephen
Residence: Spout Lane Abenhall
Age_at_death: 79 years
Officiating_Minister: F M Green Rector
Event:
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 81
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/11
Page_No: 97
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

I do have, on one of my ancestor's baptism pages - a Gypsie family listed. Hence I've quickly searched the FOD site, and found (so far)

27 September 1846 in Blaisdon

Parents Surname: DIXON

Child Forenames : Edmund

Father's Forenames: Ambrose

Mother's Forenames: Mary Ann

Residence: Wanderers

Occupation: Travelling Tinker

May be there are more on the FOD site under DIXON.

1871 Wales Census
Monmouthshire
Christchurch
District 4
Page 23 of 28

Gipsey Tent N???? Cold????

Edmund DIXON - Head - age 26 Sk??? Maker - Ironmonger, born Gloucestershire
Charity DIXON - Wife - age 24, born Worcestershire
Rosa DIXON - dau age 5 born Glosters, Kingsmore
Samuel - Son age 3 born Glosters, Painswick

1861 Census, Gloucestershire East Dean District 15, Page 17 of 17

'Number of Persons in Barns and Sheds within the 15 District of the Township of East Dean'

DICKSON - Head - Mar age 55 Pedlar - NK
Wife - Mar age 50 "
Son - Unmar age 20 Tinker
Daug - Widow age 30 Pedlar
Daug - " age 25 "
Son - Unmar age 15 "
Grandson - age 2
Grandaughter age 2

Head - Mar age 60 Basket Maker - Warwickshire
Wife - Mar age 46 " " - Oxfordshire
Son - U/M age 19 " " - Worcestershire
Son - U/M age 18 " " - Glosters
Daug - age 10 " " - Worcestershire

Just thought I'd sneak onto the thread to say I have Forest of Dean gypsies in my family tree. The Hoskins/Hoskings family, anyone? Thought to be related to Bob :)

I am also researching a gypsy HOSKINS/HODGKINS/HODGKISS family, Esther HODGKINS was buried 2 Mar 1888 at Drybrook, residence Lea Bailey (thanks to this wonderful site). Her son Noah was born 14 Jun 1867 at Spetchley, WOR, and his father was given as Thomas BOSWELL, Chair Bottomer and Knife Grinder.

Would love to exchange information with you.
Kind regards
Polly

Also have Egerton's/Eggerton's and O'Sheas. rebekahm28@aol.com

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