Reuben BRAIN 1869 Bream

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I am trying to trace the family of Reuben John Brain (my grandfather), He was born in Bream on the 26 Apr 1869, mothers name was Mary Brain, no maiden name or fathers name is shown on his birth certificate. Does any one know of them or any ideas of how I can trace them.

Many thanks

Barbara

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On this site:-

Record_ID: 4064
Entry_Number: 650
Year: 1869
Month: Aug
Day: 22
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Reuben John
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breams Tump
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: J. F. Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsors Richard Kear Sarah Kear
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 82
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: B650

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Hi Paul,

Thanks for this, I have already got Reubens birth cert but it doesn't give any clues to his mothers family or of his father, and thats the bits I need. Thanks for your help.

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I know Reuben married Selina Alice Lucas on 30 April 1900 at the Baptist Chapel at Coleford. The Witness's names are E Lucas (which I think is her grandfather) and a R H Brain, which I suppose could be Reubens grandfather.

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It could be Richard with daughter Mary :-
< as his grandfather>

but I'm sure with hindsight R H is her brother, so Reuben's uncle !!

1881
Richard Brain abt 1821 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Brain abt 1821 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Cross abt 1869 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

+others

1871 Bream Tufts
Richard Brain 57
Carine [CAROLINE] Brain 50
Ann Brain 20
Henry Brain 22
Mary Brain 17
Samuel Brain 16
Alice M Cross 2
Geneva Cross 3

1861
Richard Brain abt 1821 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Caroline Brain abt 1821 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Agusta Brain abt 1847 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Ann Brain abt 1852 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Brain abt 1850 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Brain abt 1854 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Samuel Brain abt 1855 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1851
Richd Brain abt 1822 Berkley, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Caroline Brainabt 1823 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Agusta Brain abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Henry Brain abt 1850 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1844
Month: May
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age: Of F
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: near Bream in the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: BEACH
Brides_Forenames: Caroline
Brides_Age: Of F
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Beach
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of Thomas Darley/Barley
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Darley/Barley
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J J Barlow
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Residence written only once. Have to assume that it was that of both Bride & Groom
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 87
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

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The CROSS connection :-

Year: 1867
Month: Jul
Day: 28
Grooms_Surname: CROSS JUNR
Grooms_Forenames: Nathanael
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Breams Cross
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Cross
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Nathaniel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shaper
Brides_Surname: BRAIN
Brides_Forenames: Augusta Sophia
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bream
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: William Norris
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Beach
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Cornelius Witherby Incumbent
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 51
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1881
Danl. Cross abt 1845 Burton On The Water Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Augusta S. Cross abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Geneva Cross abt 1868 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Richard Cross . abt 1880 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Cross abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Danj Cross abt 1843 Gloucestershire, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Augusta S Cross abt 1847 Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire
Nathaniel Cross abt 1883 Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
Richard M Cross abt 1880 Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
Rosa C Cross abt 1873 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Saml Jno Cross abt 1887 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton, Lancashi

1901
Daniel Cross abt 1846 Gloucestershire, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Augusta Cross abt 1849 Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire
Fred Cross abt 1883 Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
John Cross abt 1887 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
Richard Cross abt 1880 Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire

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This is Mary's brother "Henry" in 1851

Year: 1849
Month: Jun
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Richard Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H. G. Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Year: 1871
Month: Oct
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: Richard Henry
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bream
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: COLWELL
Brides_Forenames: Annie
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bream
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Colwell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Ostler
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Jesse Lucas
Witness_2: Hannah Davis
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J.F. Gosling
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 71
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1881
Henry Brain abt 1851 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Annie Brain abt 1852 Aylburton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire
Ada Brain Atherton, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Elizth.Kate Brain abt 1875 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Gertrude A. Brain abt 1877 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
May A. Brain abt 1879 Atherton, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Richard James Brain abt 1873 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
Samuel Brain abt 1856 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Brother Atherton, Lancashire

1891
Henry Brain abt 1850 Gloucestershire, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Annie Brain abt 1851 Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire
Ada Brain abt 1881 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Elt Kate Brain abt 1880 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Gertrude A Brain abt 1876 Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Harry Brain e abt 1883 Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
Rd James Brain abt 1872 Gloucestershire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire
James Colwell abt 1820 Gloucestershire, England Father-in-law Atherton, Lancashire

1901
Henry Brain abt 1850 Forest of Sean, Gloucestershire, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Annie Brain abt 1852 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire
Ada Brain abt 1881 Atherton, Lancashire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Kate Horridge abt 1874 Forsby Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Atherton, Lancashire
Sarah Horridge abt 1898 Atherton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Atherton, Lancashire
William Heaton abt 1863 Sunderland, Durham, England Visitor Atherton, Lancashire

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Mary Brain, no maiden name or fathers name is shown on his birth certificate

starting to look like " father unknown" or undisclosed; sadly
the Parish baptism record could be ambiguous i.e. is Mary a BRAIN ??

What else do you have on Reuben ?

Do you know where the KEARs fit in ?
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=13957

Name: Reuben John Brain
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 29

1871, 1881, 1891 ???

1901
Reuben J Brain abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Selina A Brain abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Frank Brain abt 1900 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

a "suspect" for the Brain family with daughter Mary

1871 Bream Tufts
Richard Brain 57
Carine [CAROLINE] Brain 50
Ann Brain 20
Henry Brain 22
Mary Brain 17
Samuel Brain 16
Alice M Cross 2
Geneva Cross 3

Could this be Reuben and Mary transcribed as Richards/Ricketts in Bream ?

1871 Bream
George Richards 60 Widow
Mary Richards 32 dau
Hannah Richards 28 dau
Barnard Richards 21 son
Abraham Richards 11 son
Samuel Richards 8 son
Reuben Richards 2 Gd son
Sarah Richards 3 Gd dau

1881 Bream
Mary Ricketts abt 1840 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Reuben Ricketts abt 1869 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Ricketts abt 1872 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

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looks like E Lucas is Selina's brother Ernest

1901
Francis Lucas abt 1833 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Lucas abt 1833 Arlingham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Ernest Lucas abt 1887 [1877] Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Ernest Lucas abt 1887 Battersea, London, England Grandson Newland, Gloucestershire

1891
Hubert J Lucas abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Battersea, London
Sarah E Lucas abt 1860 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Battersea, London
Ernest Lucas abt 1887 Battersea, London, England Son Battersea, London
Frank Lucas abt 1889 Battersea, London, England Son Battersea, London
Hubert Lucas abt 1890 Battersea, London, England Son Battersea, London

1891 Lydney lane
Frances Lucas abt 1833 St Brevials, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Lucas abt 1833 Arlangham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Ernest Lucas abt 1877 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire

1891
Selina A Lucas abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Servant Finchley, Middlesex

1881 Lydney Lane
Francis Lucas abt 1833 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Lucas abt 1833 Arlingham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Alice Lucas abt 1870 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Cornelius Lucas abt 1867 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Ernest Lucas abt 1877 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Kate Lucas abt 1874 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1871 Rylands nr Lydney Lane Bream
Francis Lucas 38 Aylburton Iron Miner
Sarah Lucas 38
Alice Lucas 1
Cornelius Lucas 4
Hubert Lucas 12
Paulina Lucas 6

Year: 1869
Month: Nov
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: LUCAS
Child_Forenames: Selina Alice
Fathers_Forenames: Francis
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney Lane
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: H. Williams Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsors Sarah Lucas Ellen Jacobs & George Whittaker
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Bream

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You are fantastic, I have been searching the Ancestry site for months looking for details of Reuben and his mother Mary, and also the Lucas side. I must say I am very impressed with all the help I have got from members of this site. It has been a great help in doing research for my family tree.

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this feels right for his mother Mary

Year: 1853
Month: Jul
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Caroline
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bream
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: H. G. Poole Minister
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 92
Parish_Chapel: Bream

which suggests this marriage

Year 1875
Month Dec
Day 18
Grooms Surname DORRINGTON
Grooms Forenames George
Grooms Age 21
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence Bream
Grooms Fathers Surname Dorrington
Grooms Fathers Forenames Edward
Grooms Fathers Occupation Collier
Brides Surname BRAIN
Brides Forenames Mary
Brides Age 21
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Bream
Brides Fathers Surname Brain
Brides Fathers Forenames Richard
Brides Fathers Occupation Miner
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both mark
Witness 1 James Dorrington
Witness 2 Mark of Harriet Dorrington
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister J.F. Gosling
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/8
Page Number 90
Parish Chapel Bream

Year: 1876
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Parents_Surname: DORRINGTON
Child_Forenames: Robert Wallace
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Breams Meend
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J F Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsers James Jordan Ann Jordan [Richard Brain] Dan Cross Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 31
Parish_Chapel: Bream

Year: 1878
Month: Nov
Day: 25
Surname: DORRINGTON
Forenames: George
Residence: The Firs
Age_at_death: 25
Officiating_Minister: J F Gosling
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/17
Page_No: 123
Parish_Chapel: Bream

1881
Edward Dorrington abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriett Dorrington abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Dorrington t abt 1860 Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Dorrington abt 1854 Gloucestershire, England Daughter in Law Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire Widow
Robert Dorrington abt 1876 Gloucestershire, England Grandson Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

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Name: Mary Dorrington
Name: Thomas Fisher
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 435

1891
Thos Fisher abt 1850 Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Fisher abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Robert Dorrington abt 1876 Breane, Gloucestershire, England Wife's Son (Step Son) East Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Fisher abt 1884 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jas Fisher abt 1876 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Fisher abt 1882 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

and full circle back with brother Samuel

1901
Brain Samuel abt 1855 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Mary Fisher abt 1854 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Sister Atherton, Lancashire
Bertha Fisher abt 1883 Cindeford, Gloucestershire, England Niece Atherton, Lancashire
Fred Thos Fisher abt 1892 Cindeford, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Atherton, Lancashire
Sidney John Fisher abt 1882 Cindeford, Gloucestershire, England Nephew Atherton, Lancashire

reasonable chance this is Mary too

Name: Mary Fisher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 58
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 82

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If this is the Mary Brain I am looking for, would not Reuben have been shown on the 1871 census with Richard and Caroline as he was born in 1869.

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I suspect for what ever reason Rueben has been "farmed out" to be brought up away from the family, perhaps a formal adoption or an informal arrangement with a family member or friend

perhaps there was no more room esp with the young CROSS children

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If as you say Reuben was "farmed" out to be brought up by say a family member or friend, would he not still appear on the census form's under his own name of BRAIN. If it was a formal adoption I would assume that his name would be changed to that of the people who adopted him,then he changed it back when he married. Or is that to fanciful, or am I just getting confused,maybe I wasn't a BRAIN after all.

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That is what you would hope....

however what I have found is that the Enumerators have been known to record names in error...i.e. all people in the household with the same surname as the Head so Rubin BRAIN living in a SMITH household may be recorded as Rubin SMITH !

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Thanks for that, and all your other help, it's much appreciated. I suppose the only other option is to look through the 1871 census for a Reuben that is 2 yrs old living in the Bream area. That will keep me out of mischief for a while.

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The 1871 Census in Bream regarding Richards/Ricketts...should be Rickards.

George Rickards 60 Widow, married a Sarah Brain in Lydney in 1839, it gives her father as Richard Brain. Their son Barnard or Elijah Barnard Rickards was my GG.Grandfather.
Also in the 1881 census regarding Mary Ricketts b.1840 I have just looked at the original document on Ancestry.co.uk and it has unm (un-married) in the condition to marriage section. I don't know if any of this will help?

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If the Mary Brain you are looking for is the daughter of Richard and Caroline then I can tell you that Caroline was the daughter of Henry Beach and she had a sister Eliza who was my gt.gt.grandmother through her first Marriage to Henry Creese.
I have tried for a few years but without any success to get information on Henry Creese.
If you come up with his name in your research I would be very interested.
I do have other information on the Beach family if you are interested.

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Hi Olwyn,

Thanks for your mesg. I am almost sure that Mary's parents were Richard and Caroline ,as one of the witness at Reubens marriage was a R H Brain, who I think was Mary's brother . Also that is the only Mary Brain I can find living in Bream at aroud about the time Reuben was born. Unfortuneatley I can't find him on the 1871 1881 or 1891 census form under the name of Brain, it has been sugessted that he may have been brought up by someone else. I have been given the info of Richard and Carolines marriage and her surname was Beach, father Henry as you say. If you have any dates on Henry Beach or where he was born I would gladly have a go at looking for info for you.

Barbara

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