HONE Albert & Ann nee TAYLOR of St Briavels

Would anyone have any information about this couple, apart from the baptism records of their children at St Briavels?

Ann TAYLOR (1845 - 0000) daughter of William TAYLOR (1818 - 1872), Blacksmith of St Briavels, and his wife Amelia TAYLOR nee HULIN (1815 - 1898), who married Albert Henry HONE (1853 - 0000) in London in 1875.

I can locate them in the 1881 and 1901 Censuses, but not the 1891 Census.

Their children;

Albert William HONE (1876 - 0000)
Amelia Vera HONE (1879 - 0000)
Henry Horace HONE (1882 - 0000)
Edwin Reginald HONE (1884 - 0000)
Lizzie Beatrice HONE (1887 - 0000)
Laura Madeline HONE (1890 - 0000)

Many thanks,

Don Cameron.

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Judging by the 1901 and births , they will be in London / Kensington in 1891, not Glos....

1911
HONE ALBERT M 1853 58 Kensington London
HONE HENRY HORACE M 1882 29 Kensington London
HONE HORACE CECIL M 1904 7 Kensington London
HONE LAURA MADELINE F 1890 21 Kensington London
HONE LIZZIE BEATRICE F 1888 23 Kensington London
HONE NELLIE EMMA F 1882 29 Kensington London
HONE WILLIAM E R M 1907 4 Kensington London

1901
Albert Hone abt 1853 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Head Kensington, London
Ann Hone abt 1849 St Breants, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kensington, London
Henry H Hone abt 1882 Kensington, London, England Son Kensington, London
Lizzie B Hone abt 1888 Kensington, London, England Daughter Kensington, London
Laura M Hone abt 1890 N Kensington, London, England Daughter Kensington, London

Name: Laura Madeline Hone
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 79

1881
Albert Home abt 1853 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Head Kensington, London Brass finisher
Ann Home abt 1849 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kensington, London
Amelia N. Hone abt 1880 Kensington, Middlesex, England Daughter Kensington, London

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1901
Edwin Taylor abt 1847 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Amelia Taylor abt 1854 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Sister St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Eliza Taylor abt 1861 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Sister St Briavels, Gloucestershire
Edwin R Hone abt 1885 N Wensington, London, England Nephew St Briavels, Gloucestershire

Name: Edwin Reginald Hone
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1884
Registration district: Kensington
Inferred County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 164

I suspect his parents are :-

1881
Albert Home abt 1853 Aldershot, Hampshire, England Head Kensington, London
Ann Home abt 1849 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kensington, London
Amelia N. Hone abt 1880 Kensington, Middlesex, England Daughter Kensington, London

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Taken from the Parish Records Section of this website

Record_ID: 23526
Entry_Number: 17
Year: 1908
Month: Mar
Day: 29
Grooms_Surname: HONE
Grooms_Forenames: Edward Reginald
Grooms_Age: 24
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Blacksmith
Grooms_Residence: 1 Victoria Road Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Hone
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Albert
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Timekeeper
Brides_Surname: CRUM
Brides_Forenames: Annie May
Brides_Age: 26
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: 1 Victoria Road Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Crum
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Stonemason
Licence_or_Banns: Certificate
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Alfred William James
Witness_2: Agnes Sarah James
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Jarvis
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: from wide margin of next page - In entry No 17 Col 2 for Edward read Edwin (otherwise Edward + in Col. 3 for 24' read '23' corrected on the 10th April by me George Jarvis as authorised person for the Independent Chapel. In the presence of (and signed by
Notes:
Register_Reference: D 5533/7/1
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Independent
Soundex_Groom: H500
Soundex_Bride: C650

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To Bertha and Slowhands,

Much thanks for the information provided. I did managed to find two children from the marriage of Edwin Reginald HONE to Annie May CRUM, in the BMD Index;
Reginald J. HONE born 1911, registered at Monmouth, and Agnes M. HONE, born 1916 also at Monmouth.

The search for the missing 1891 Census goes on.

Cheers,

Don Cameron.

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Hello

My name is Richard John Hone

I believe that my grandfather was Edwin Reginald Hone. He died in 1949. I also know that my grandmother's maiden name was Crum (died 1958) and that Agnes Hone (later James) was my father's aunt and lived at 16 Oval Road in Rugby. My father also had another aunt, Maud who lived in Reading.

My father was Rupert James Albert Hone (died 1961) and as a child lived at 10 Victoria Road in Coleford in the Forest of Dean. He had a brother Jack and a sister Marjorie (later Retallick).

Hope this is of help.

Regards

Rick Hone

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Name: Rupert J A Hone
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 23

1911
HONE ANNIE F 1882 29 Monmouth Monmouthshire
HONE REGINALD M 1885 26 Monmouth Monmouthshire
HONE RUPERT M 1910 8 MONTHS Monmouth Monmouthshire

Name: Reginald J Hone
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Crum
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 45

Name: Agnes M Hone
Mother's Maiden Surname: Crum
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1916
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 33

Name: Rupert J Hone
Spouse: Gwendoline G Morgan
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1940
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1024

Name: Rupert J A Hone
Death Registration Month/Year: 1961
Age at death (estimated): 51
Registration district: Christchurch
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 267

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Hi Rick
I recently found a military raincape hidden beneath the floorboards of my house in Cornwall during renovation work. It bears the name E R Hone and a military ID number. I think it might date to the first world war. Do you think it could be your grandfather's...? Tracey Williams

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On Ancestry - there are Military Records of

Edwin Reginald HONE

birth about 1884

age : 31

address: Victoria Road, Coleford

Date: 1915

Regiment: RGA

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He is married (with defective teeth!) and is 5' 5 and a quarter inches tall)

children listed

Rupert James Albert - born (I think) - 18 July 1910
Reginald John - 23 October 1911 - Coleford
Agnes? Marjorie - in 1916

wife Annie May HUM? difficult to read (think it's CRUM)

Edwin is living in St Briavels 1901 census, a few doors away from the CRUM family

FreeBMD

Edward Reginald HONE/Annie May CRUM - J/F/M Qtr 1908 Monmouth

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Many thanks! Do the military records show his ID number? The ID number in the cape is 1863254 - just trying to work out whether it could be the same person...Best wishes. Tracey

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I can see a Reg. No. of 135587

Not sure if people moved around from Regiments - I'll see what else turns up

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Hi,
I've done some basic research of ancestors from WW1.
Yes they certainly did move between Regiments, especially during this hugely attritional war where complete units could-be and were decimated so the lucky (?) survivors could quite possibly be transferred to other Regiments. Also as the War dragged on the lesslikely Units, plus less likely soldiers for that matter, were drafted from all across the Empire to satisfy the demand at the Front. By 1918 this awful War had truly drained the World of fit, able men from all sides.

I see Edwin was RGA, thats Royal Garrison Artillery. This was initially a UK based Coast Defence Artillery for guarding major ports etc. However it expanded vastly during the War as it became part of the Siege Artillery based in France bombarding the lines from the rear. This website is great for WW1 research:

http://www.1914-1918.net/cra.htm

That said, older (33 ?) or less able(wounded so disabled) soldiers were quite often moved to less demanding Units. eg maybe after harrowing experiences & possible injury with a conventional field Artillery unit in France, he could have been moved into the RGA in a fairly "safe" battery overlooking Portsmouth Harbour for example.
Of course this is guesswork and I'm NOT knocking him in any way regardless of where he was garrisoned.

The National Archives website is also useful for Military Research.
I'll try and look him up later, my pc is suffering internet connection problems at the moment !?!

This might help, Searching RGA have got 80 names.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?fldLettercodeRef=WO&...
Please note the NA search engine is a fussy beast in my experience, you need to be patient and dont feed too much info into it at once as it seems to reject info that later it accepts.
Good luck !

ps this is best link for Army records http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?

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Hi Jefff
The ID number in the cape is 1863254 - where could I find out if that was Edwin Reginald Hone's ID number...? Tracey

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Hi Tracey, sorry for delay, lots of internet connectivity probs here tonight !
From NA site I found various Hones within the Campaign Medals (aka soldiers who survived theWar) but not yours it seems, wrong Chrstian names. Not that thats conclusive, I've found the NA site sometimes takes lots of go's to find the relevant info, as if its got too much to hunt thro so gives up early !. Searching just the Number 135587 I found these 5 soldiers, none are Hones. This proves the same Number can apparently be issued to more than one soldier !. I also have an ancestor who served in two Regiments, the Worcesters then the Gloster, he had a different Number for each.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browse...

Medal card of Hall, G A
Corps: Royal Fusiliers
Regiment No: G/135587
Rank: Private...
1914-1920 WO 372/8

Medal card of Miller, Randolph E
Corps: Army Service Corps
Regiment No: DM2 135587
Rank: Serjeant
1914-1920 WO 372/14

Medal card of Cuthbert, John
Corps: King's Royal Rifle Corps
Regiment No: R/27225
Rank: Private...
1914-1920 WO 372/5
(How did he get in this list ?)

Medal card of Dorling, Frank H
Corps: Royal Engineers
Regiment No: 135587
Rank: Sapper...
1914-1920 WO 372/6

Medal card of Owen, Ernest A
Corps: Royal Field Artillery
Regiment No: 135587
Rank: Gunner
1914-1920 WO 372/15

Sadly I didnt find (at first go, anyway) a record for 1863254.

Purely based on the Numbers I've seen while searching long lists of Casualties etc from WW1, I doubt 1863254 is a WW1 army number, the numbers I've seen just aren't that big(too many digits). I'll try to find out for sure. This, plus the apparent lack of records, suggests to me its a later number. Perhaps the Cape was owned by a WW2 soldier (there's less Records available on line), or even a Home Guard ? (who would have sometimes been issued with "old" kit.

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Just to confirm that during WW1 a soldier's number was not unique to him, and that number could change if he changed unit. The number was not unique.

see excellent WW1 site The Long Long Trail
http://www.1914-1918.net/prefixes.html

"Regimental numbers: letter prefixes
In 1920, the army introduced a new system of issuing numbers to its men and women. Each soldier would have a unique number, an army number. Before that, each regiment (and in some cases, the units in a regiment) issued its own numbers. This meant that when a man changed regiments, he usually had to change number. Some of those regimental numbering schemes included letter prefixes. These can offer useful clues."

And from NorthEast Medals site
http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/mm/army_service_numbers.htm

"Army Numbers 1920 - 1942

In 1920 the old method of allocating a 'Regimental Number' was scrapped for new recruits and the following numbering system of 'Army Number' was adopted as per Army Order 338. In 1942 the 'General Service Corps' were formed for the initial training of all new recruits. From then on the new recruits were allocated a number in a series beginning 14,000,000. In 1950 this system changed again to a series beginning 2,200,000.

The 1920 -1942 series below can be most useful for identifying previous service with another unit, since a number block was allocated for each Regiment / Corps. (i.e. if you have a medal named with a number and regiment that do not match as per the list below.)

Army Order 338 (1920)

ARMY NUMBERS ALLOTTED TO Regiments, CORPS ETC.

Royal Army Service Corps 1 - 294,000

The Life Guards 294,001 - 304,000
Royal Horse Guards 304,001 - 309,000
Cavalry of the Line 309,001 - 721,000

Royal Artillery(Field Branch, Coast Defence and Anti-Aircraft Branch) 721,001 - 1,842,000

Royal Engineers 1,842,001 - 2,303,000

and so on ...."

This suggests E.R.Hone 1863254 was a Royal Engineer, what finer branch could there be ?

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Edwin's war record is well documented (but parts difficult to read)

I can see he was in the 2/1st Warwick Heavy Battery R.G.A.

http://www.1914-1918.net/heavy-battery-index.htm

and at some point was in the Military Hospital Magdalen Camp Winchester

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Goodevening MPG,
is this Ancestry records you're looking up ?.
The impression I got off the Nat Archives site is that Hone is an Irish name, are you seeing that too ?. More importantly from Tracey's viewpoint, have you yet seen anything for "her" E.Hone 1863254 ?

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This is from Ancestry Military Records - and I can't see the number requested.

If you look at FreeBDM England & Wales - and search all records for HONE there are 7,937 - so a well established surname in the UK

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My grandfather started his training with the Seaforth Hightlanders but fought in France as a member of th 42nd ~~ also more popularly known as the Black Watch. He was as proud of the "Ladies from Hell" as he was of being a Forester. Both his regiments were part of the Canadian Expeditionary Force.

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Wow, I'm sure you were equally proud too !

Briefly, how is he a Canadian Scots Forester ?!
Sounds like a species of Pine tree !?

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