Alice Adams / Viney Hill School

Would like to contact 'Helena', g grandaughter of Woodman Adams, brother of Alice. No user name of 'Helena' now appears on this site. I believe the Alice Adams in the photo of Viney Hill School recently put on the website is the sister of Woodman Adams, half sister of my grandfather Albert.
Could you confirm this. Is she also the Alice that you said emigrated to America?

J Sannwald

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I am interested in this one because an Ann Mary Addams/Adams married one of my relatives, Charles J Rook and emigrated to Poughkeepsie in New York in the late 1840s or early 1850s. I have a photograph of her and her son, Charles. I am wondering if there might be a connection. If the city in the state of New York was Poughkeepsie they are likely to be related also if their religion was R.C. I know that the Rooks kept in touch with them for at least 50 years, - a later branch of the family was going to emigrate to the USA to live near them at the turn of the centuary but decided not to go there at the last minute. If your Adams' are related to these please let me know as I have quite a bit of information on them. which I have given to the public library in Poughkeepsie.
Thanks.

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Hello again Jackie. Yes, Alice Adams was the sister of Woodman Adams, daughter of Dinah and Robert Adams and niece to Albert Adams senior. Alice married Timothy Smith and emigrated to America where they had two daughters before Timothy's tragic death, I was thrilled to see the photograph of Alice which you posted on the forum Jackie. Alice and her two daughters are mentioned in Dinah's will. Dinah's second marriage was to a George Llewellyn. I believe they first lived in Furnace Bottom, previously housing Dinah, Robert and their family. Dinah and George then moved to Viney Woodside and took Alice and Bessie with them. Woodman, being the second eldest son, married Sarah Elizabeth Hale, they initially lived in New Road, Blakeney prior to moving to the family home in Furnace Bottom, some time between 1910 and 1914, when Dinah married George, their house was the last house on the left at the end of the lane, now Furnace Valley; I remember many fond trips as a child to the Forest from Cheltenham with my grandmother, Hilda Anice nee Adams and I recall visiting the house. I can provide more details of Woodman's family if you so wish. Albert senior and his family lived at Pitching/Pigeon Green, any idea where this was Jackie, I always thought it was in Furnace Bottom but I'm a bit confused over this?

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was your grand mother Hilda's mother (Sryphena) Elizabeth nee Morse?
My g grandfather was Charles Morse son of James and Annis and Elizabeth's sister.

If so i would be grateful if you have any information or photos of them. I still have family in the area and have recently visited Awre and Blakeney church yards.

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According to the parish records, Hilda's (my grandmother's) father Woodman married a Sarah Elizabeth Haile/Hale on 7 July 1894. Thereafter, records referring to the baptism of their children infer that she preferred to use her second name Elizabeth; however, I have been trying to find a connection with the name Morse. Speaking to my father, he naturally remembers many family visits to Furnace Valley and remembers Hilda and her sisters referring to a 'Granny Morse' who lived on Blakeney Hill, you could see her house from Furnace Valley.....can you shed any light on this for me, I've been trying to find out who 'Granny Morse' was for ages as Dad is unsure? But the parish records refer to Elizabeth's maiden name as Hale, perhaps her mother married again and she adopted her mother's married name Morse??

Looking at Sarah Elizabeth Hales's age at time of marriage to Woodman and Elizabeth Morse's baptism date, age dates don't seem to tally?? But I believe there's a definite connection somewhere between the Adams and Morses on Blakeney Hill!

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I am descended from the Blakeney Hill & Viney Hill Morse's. So far I haven't come across a marriage to a Hale or an Adams. As Woodman was living at Viney perhaps 'Granny Morse' was a courtesy title for a neighbour? If you do find a connection I'd love to know about it!

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Woodman MORSE Thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=4846#p4850

Name: Elizabeth Morse ?
Name: Woodman Adams
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 374

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=12181#p12184

we found the LOWE and MORSE entanglement with ADAMS as witnesses..

The connection is there just waiting to be found !

I wonder if the John MORSE here is related to your Martha MORSE nee POWELL from Blakeney Hill ?
John MORSE a Publican - too many coincidences

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=12187

Year 1879
Month Jul
Day 31
Grooms Surname ADAMS
Grooms Forenames Stephen
Grooms Age 25
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Occupation Collier
Grooms Residence Yorkley
Grooms Fathers Surname Adams
Grooms Fathers Forenames Stephen
Grooms Fathers Occupation Collier

Brides Surname MORSE
Brides Forenames Rosa Ann
Brides Age 18
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Parkend
Brides Fathers Surname Morse
Brides Fathers Forenames John
Brides Fathers Occupation Publican
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Thomas Morse
Witness 2 Martha Adams
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P245 IN 1/21
Page Number 190
Parish Chapel Parkend

1861
John Morse abt 1832 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morse abt 1832 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Morse abt 1859 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Morse abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1816
Month: Sep
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: ADAMS
Child_Forenames: Stephen
Fathers_Forenames: James Harris
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Milkwall
Occupation: Coalminer
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Thomas
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1871
Stephen Adams abt 1818 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Susanna Adams abt 1831 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth A Adams abt 1851 Moxley Green, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Adams abt 1854 Mosley Green, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Adams abt 1857 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Martha Adams abt 1863 Morley Green, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Adams abt 1859 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Adams abt 1855 Mosley Green, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas A Adams abt 1868 Morley Green, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tirza A Adams abt 1870 Yorkley, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Henry Adams abt 1861 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
John Morse abt 1843 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Morse abt 1833 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Cate Morse abt 1869 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edward Morse abt 1864 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Morse abt 1867 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rose Morse abt 1862 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Morse abt 1857 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
Stephen Adams abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Adams abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Kate E.G. Adams West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Stephen Adams abt 1855 Mosely Green, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Adams abt 1861 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alick Adams abt 1886 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elise Adams abt 1889 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Gusty Adams abt 1881 Footrael, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Stephen Adams abt 1854 Morley Green, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Rosa A Adams abt 1861 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Alick Adams abt 1886 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Doris Adams abt 1900 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Elsie Adams abt 1889 Parkend, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
Frank Adams abt 1892 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Newton Adams abt 1897 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

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Helen

This would all need checking but i found Sarah Elizabeth Adams burial 11/12/1902 in Gloucester General Inf aged 42 from Viney Hill.

In 1901 married to a Woodman Adams but no children.

Then in 1903/4 a Woodman Adams marries Elizabeth Morse.

In 1911 census a Woodman and Elizabeth Adams have been married 7 years with 3 children Gwen, Elsie and Hilda.Living in New Road, Blakeney. So perhaps that is where the Granny Morse connection comes from.

Jackie

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Thank you so much Jackie, that all makes sense now. The family were unaware that Woodman married twice, I've just telephoned Dad to let him know and he was thrilled to sort the mystery of 'Great Granny Morse who lived on Blakeney Hill!'
It also explains why Woodman was well into his forties before their first child, 'Great Aunty Gwen' appeared in 1905! Woodman and Elizabeth had 7 girls, Gwendoline, Elsie, Hilda, Florence (Ethel),Nance, Mary and Dorothy and one boy James (Jim). I remember them all apart from Jim who died before I was born.

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Well i hope it's alright i have ordered wedding cert of Woodman and Elizabeth to check details.

If you would like to know more about the Morse family please do not hesitate to ask.

Jackie

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Hi Jackie

Do you know who the parents of this Elizabeth Morse were please?

Christine

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only clue so far

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=4846#p4850
1911 census ADAMS ELIZABETH F 1882 29 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

links to
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=12818#p15464

she may well be

Name: Tryphena Elizabeth Morse
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 256

1891
James Morse abt 1854 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Head Awre, Gloucestershire
Annis Morse abt 1854 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Awre, Gloucestershire
Albert F Morse abt 1880 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Charles Morse abt 1888 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Daniel Morse abt 1875 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Ethel B Morse abt 1890 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Tryphena E Morse abt 1885 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire

1901
James Morse abt 1855 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Head Awre, Gloucestershire
Annie Morse abt 1854 Berkeley, Gloucestershire, England Wife Awre, Gloucestershire
Albert Morse abt 1880 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Blanche Morse abt 1891 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Charles Morse abt 1888 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Son Awre, Gloucestershire
Edith Morse abt 1897 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Rose Morse abt 1893 Awre, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre,

1901 ??
Bessie T Morse abt 1882 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Servant Bristol, Gloucestershire

< looks very promising, swapped order of names and claiming 1882 as birth year, i.e. a few years older than she is)

I do not have any other candidate, but have explored the idea that she was a widow when she married Woodman.

one I'm following :-

I have found a Hilda and Elsie BETTERTON nearby - maybe just coincidence

1901
John Betterton abt 1851 Awre Par, Gloucestershire, England Head Awre, Gloucestershire
Emma Betterton abt 1852 Awre Par, Gloucestershire, England Wife Awre, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Betterton abt 1882 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire
Kate B Betterton abt 1877 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Awre, Gloucestershire

Year 1901
Month Dec
Day 25
Grooms Surname MORSE
Grooms Forenames Albert Thomas
Grooms Age 21
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Plate-layer
Grooms Residence Blakeney
Grooms Fathers Surname Morse
Grooms Fathers Forenames James
Grooms Fathers Occupation Labourer
Brides Surname BETTERTON
Brides Forenames Elizabeth Sophia
Brides Age 21
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation [not stated]
Brides Residence Blakeney
Brides Fathers Surname Betterton
Brides Fathers Forenames John
Brides Fathers Occupation Postman
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Charles John Betterton
Witness 2 Kate Ann Betterton
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister Edward Roberts Off[icia]t[in]g Minister
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P50 IN 1/5
Page Number 72
Parish Chapel Blakeney

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Chris

James and Annis Morse of Milcombe Head.

Jackie

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Aha. Not mine then! When did they sneak into Viney Hill?!

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I always wondered where my Grandmother Hilda's middle name Anice originated. Good to find out that it was her grandmother's christian name although it doesn't seem to have been spelt the same way, Nan always spelt it with a 'c'. Thanks for carrying out the research everyone...would love to see a copy of Woodman's and Elizabeth's wedding certificate Jackie.

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Helen

I have ordered wedding cert of Woodman and Elizabeth to check the details. I will let you know what i discover.

Jackie

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Helen

I have received wedding certificate for woodman and elizabeth and she is my elizabeth daughter of James Morse, Milcombe Head, Gatcombe. I hope this can help.

16 February 1904 Register Office Westbury on Severn.
He is 36, widower, a collier living in Old Furnace Hollow, father Robert (deceased).

Jackie

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Thats good as that links to all the earlier research I have posted here

always good to get another line of confirmation

i.e.

Woodman MORSE Thread
1911 census ADAMS ELIZABETH F 1882 29 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=4846#p4850

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=12819

1871 Old Furnace Bottom
Robert Adams abt 1836 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean Gloucestershire
Dinah Adams abt 1846 Cornwall, England Wife East Dean Gloucestershire
Albert Adams abt 1864 Cornwall, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire
Levina Adams abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean Gloucestershire
Woodman Adams abt 1867 Cornwall, England Son East Dean Gloucestershire

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Hi,
Looked up Pitching Green on Inet, found it on Streetmap between Furnace Valley and Viney Woodside on the map so it seems all ref to places on family Parish records and census returns refer to the same area. Postcode ref GL15 4DQ will give you the map .

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