Thank you for all that information, I was just looking for Martha's maiden name as she was the only one I couldnt' lay my hands on. My grandmother was Joseph & Martha's first born ie Ellen or Elizzie. I have not got back very far only to John Maddocks birth 1727 to Carwright & Hannagh then come to a grinding halt. But I am doing other family members so just do them when I get stuck on others. thanks lesley