William Jenkins buried 1821 (General)

by tonyjenkins @, Sunday, January 25, 2009, 10:34 (5854 days ago)

I have a William Jenkins in my tree, husband to Elizabeth Doward, married in 1764 at Newland.

The burial record of William in 1821 indicates that he was born 1733. None of the baptism records in our transcriptions match this date.

I believe my William came to Clearwell from Melingriffith (Whitchurch) Glamorganshire.

There is evidence that iron ore was being transported from Clearwell to Melingriffith, Joseph Vaughan baptised in Newland abt 1706 can be found running a tin plate factory in Melingriffith about 1730.

I believe my William was born in the Whitchurch area about 1733 S/O William Jenkins leesee of the Grist Mill at Sunnybank Melingriffith.

Can anyone suggest why William may have come to Clearwell and how I may confirm my theory.

Regards

Tony Jenkins

William Jenkins buried 1821

by admin ⌂, Forest of Dean, Sunday, January 25, 2009, 13:50 (5854 days ago) @ tonyjenkins

Keep an open mind on the ages given in many of the parish records. Some information, especially ages, may be incorrect due to vanity or confusion on the part of the information provider. Also many were not baptised in the year that they were born.

A couple of possibilities of baptism for William:

1736 JENKINS Wm Baptism Chepstow Monmouth
1730 JENKINS William Baptism Woolaston

Melingriffith Corn (grist) Mill ; iron and tin plate

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 25, 2009, 20:32 (5853 days ago) @ tonyjenkins

Probably no other industrial undertaking in South Wales has been worked without break for as long a period as the Melingriffith Tinplate works. It is situated at or near the site of an ancient corn mill which in medieval times was a manorial mill of the Lordship of Senghenydd and, at a later period, of its member the Manor of Album Monasterium. The name Melin Griffith (Griffith's Mill) was probably derived from Gruffydd, son of Ifor Bach, who was Lord of Senghenydd during the latter part of the 12th century.

The mill was in operation intermittently for many centuries. In 1695 it was leased, with a 2 acre field called Cae Vellyn, by the Dowager Countess of Pembroke to John Mathew, of Splott, and was described as being in a 'ruinous' condition. It was probably put in commission by the Mathew family, for in a similar document of 1715 the adjective 'ruinous' does not appear.

The mill was driven throughout its existence by the water directed along an artificial course from the river the Taff at Radyr Weir, and this method of obtaining power has been and still is in operation at Melingriffith Works.

The earliest reference I know to an ironworks undertaking at this point occurs in an Ewenny Priory document of May, 1749. This records that Rees Powell, of Llanharan, agreed to lease for 21 years to Richard Jordan and Francis Homfray, both of Staffordshire, "a water corn grist mill called Velin Griffith and a forge in the parish of Whitchurch." In an unexpected draft lease for a period of 200 years by William Powell to Richard Jordan mention is made of forges erected on the site of a water corn grist mill called Melin Griffith and a forge erected nearby by Rees Powell. It seems clear from these documents that an ironworks enterprise was founded by Rees Powell, of Llanharan, probably before 1749.

The Jordans disposed of their interest in the property to a Bristol firm called Reynolds, Getley & Co., in 1765. Amongst the partners of this firm were ironmasters of the name of Hartford, who were well-known Bristol Quakers. By 1786, if not earlier, the ownership of the undertaking was in the hands of Hartford, Partridge & Co., a firm who were later associated with the other South Wales ironworks undertakings, including Ebbw Vale.


In 1266, the De Clares, the bullying Norman overlords of Glamorgan, stripped Gruffydd of all his possessions, so the name he left to the tiny grist mill may have been his only permanent memorial. The grist mill continued, in 1715 it was leased to a William Jenkins. Meantime, Ironwork had appeared in the neighbourhood. There was a forge at Pentyrch and back in 1574 the Pentyrch locals had been caught by Elizabeth I's officers, making guns and smuggling them abroad for export. By 1750, there was also a flourishing iron forge at Melingriffith. By 1760, it had caught the attention of the Bristol Merchant Venturers. The Quaker firm of Reynolds Getley leased it from the Lewis of the Van family for 200 years at £80 per annum.

Melingriffith was ideally situated for making tinplate by a new process brought back from the Hartz Mountains in Germany by an exiled Cromwellian soldier who returned to England after the Restoration. Melingriffith's own water-power was re-inforced by the weir at Radyr: from Pentyrch came limestone, coal, iron-ore, timber, more water. Charcoal was burned at Cefn Mably and in the local woods. All day long mule-trains came to Melingriffith carrying pig-iron from the Dean Forest, coal from the valleys, limestone from Penarth cliffs. The owners of the works kept strict control over the lives of their work people. Their weekly wages had to be spent in the company shop on food and clothes. The works managers were the Vaughan family, who served for five generations. In 1785 John Vaughan wrote a letter: "I will see Walter Davies about that love affair, if he does not end it I will discharge him".

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Melingriffith Corn (grist) Mill ; iron and tin plate

by poppy @, Saturday, April 20, 2013, 19:34 (4307 days ago) @ slowhands

I am researching Joseph Vaughan of Melingriffith, Cardiff and read some extracts posted here of comments of his, possibly taken from a work book? I would be most grateful for any further details of this man (late C18th) or if anyone could channel me in the right direction of further research. Many thanks

Melingriffith Corn (grist) Mill ; iron and tin plate

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, April 21, 2013, 01:02 (4307 days ago) @ poppy

Hi Poppy,
As I suspect you already know it seems that Glamorgan Archives are worth your contacting or ideally visiting if possible.
see
http://www.archivesnetworkwales.info/cgi-bin/anw/search2?coll_id=2267

A little more history of the area is here
http://www.whitchurchandllandaff.co.uk/sunnybanks.htm

Melingriffith Corn (grist) Mill ; iron and tin plate

by poppy @, Sunday, April 21, 2013, 08:33 (4307 days ago) @ Jefff

Thank you Jefff. I will pay Cardiff a visit as I haven't checked out the archives. It should have been my first port of call of course but the name,'Joseph Vaughan Melingriffy' occurs on a Swansea pottery jug which I recorded for the first time yesterday at the National Museum of Wales in Cardiff. So when I arrived home I started a search and this website cropped up. Many thanks.

Melingriffith Corn (grist) Mill ; iron and tin plate

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Sunday, April 21, 2013, 16:04 (4306 days ago) @ poppy

Hi Poppy, and a belated welcome to the forum, I hadn't realised you were a newcomer, sorry !
Thanks for your kind words, but no "of course" necessary - instead please accept my apologies for my poor choice of wording.... I had assumed by your confident post that you had already researched this subject to some extent, and as this was all new to me I was worried I was stating what you already knew, as the Archives references came up fairly quickly when I searched tinternet last night. I'm particularly pleased you have access to Cardiff etc, we receive posts here from all over the globe.

This subject is all knew to me, but I'll be revisiting it soon: The first web hit I found last night opens with
"When it came to working tin in South Wales, Treforrest was the undisputed King. But if Treforrest was King, further south down in the Vale of Glamorgan above Cardiff, the works at Melingriffith were certainly the Crown Prince."
http://blog.stuartherbert.com/photography/2007/03/28/melingriffith-the-other-tin-works/

Back in the 80s before I was interested in history I studied my mechanical engineering degree at the Poly of Wales near Pontypridd, an area I knew nothing much about beyond coal & steel and..rain.... The Poly had grown from the old Treforest School of Mining, the original building had some interesting old relics# on display.
http://www.powell76.talktalk.net/Schoolofmines.htm
http://profile.glam.ac.uk/about/history/

And now thanks to you I see the area was also a major tin producer, like my father's home town Lydbrook in the Forest, both inextricably linked by the Vaughan family. So all very interesting to me, thanks for highlighting this new line to follow !.

Re the pottery you mention, I presume this was a commemorative or even souvenir item, I don't think the Vaughans were involved in ceramics manufacture ?

Thanks again !

# Talking of old "relics" of Treforest, Tom Jones' first gig was at the Non Political Club in Wood Street. In my student days this was far more important to me, as I love 50s & early 60s rock music and used to joke he was a distant cousin on my dad's Jones side, we toasted his name at the Club's bar. And regarding the "old" joke, he's aged a sight better than I have, still a great performer altho sadly not a Jones at all !
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/4373527.stm

Melingriffith Corn (grist) Mill ; iron and tin plate

by tonyjenkins @, Sunday, April 21, 2013, 16:51 (4306 days ago) @ Jefff

Good Afternoon all.

Re my original post seeking William Jenkins.

Shortly after the post I received a post which moved me to research my Jenkins roots in the Chepstow/Lydney/Ayleburton/Wooaston area.

My family moved to Clearwell about 1690 from Cowbridge/Llanblethian with the Wyndham family, they worked as stonemasons/cutters.

Before marrying my 4x GGrandfather my 4x GGrandmother was married to his brother James, they married in Bath, at the Abbey of St Peter and St Paul.

I am still researching why they married in Bath. My 4x Grandmother lived in Cwmcarvan the brother of my 4x GGrandfather was from Clearwell.

The corner stones of Clearwell church are from quarries in the Bath area. I started to research the quarries in and around bath and came up with a Vaughan-Jenkins.

I believe the families of Vaughan and Jenkins are connected but have not yet confirmed.

If helpful I will be happy to share my research Email me off line.

Regards

Tony Jenkins

trade route

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, January 25, 2009, 20:40 (5853 days ago) @ tonyjenkins

Can anyone suggest why William may have come to Clearwell and how I may confirm my theory.

The links between the Forest and the Melingriffith area are strong - Iron ore and tin plate - Clearwell iron ore mines ( Sling, Noxon,the Scowles) , tin plate in Tintern/ Lydbrook.

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