Sarah SIAR born c1835 Lydney

Hi All,
I am looking for my G G Grandmother Sarah Siar (Sier), born c1835 Lydney Glos.
She married John Jenkin Davies at Penkridge 1853.
Can anyone help as I can find no mention of her in any census before she married.
Thanks Dennie

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This seems to be the right Sarah >

1891
John J Davies abt 1831 Princes End, Staffordshire, England Head Aspull, Lancashire
Sarah Davies abt 1836 Lidney, Wales Wife Aspull, Lancashire
Fanny Davies abt 1875 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Aspull, Lancashire
Sarah E Davies abt 1881 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Aspull, Lancashire

1881
Jenkin Davies abt 1833 St Princes End Head Warrington, Lancashire
Sarah Davies abt 1839 Sidney N.S.Wales Wife Warrington, Lancashire
Fanny Davies abt 1875 Warrington Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Jenken Davies abt 1863 Walsall Son Warrington, Lancashire
Sarah E. Davies Warrington Daughter Warrington, Lancashire

1871
Finkin Davis abt 1831 Princesend, Staffordshire, England Head Warrington, Lancashire
Sarah Davis abt 1836 Lidney, Wales Wife Warrington, Lancashire
Alice Davis abt 1867 Walsal Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Christiana Davis abt 1851 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Finkin Davis abt 1863 Walsal Son Warrington, Lancashire
Herbert Davis abt 1857 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire

1861
Jenkin Davies abt 1831 Remcesand, Staffordshire, England Head Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Davies abt 1835 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Christianna Davies abt 1853 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Florence Davies abt 1860 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Herbert Davies abt 1856 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

Name:John Jenkin Davies
Name: Sarah Siar
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Penkridge
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 423

1861 Swan Gardens
George Lovell abt 1811 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Head Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Lovell abt 1813 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charlotte Lovell abt 1858 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Eliza Lovell abt 1843 Tru Parich, [TREFOREST] Gloucestershire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Lovell abt 1839 Tru Parich, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
George Lovell abt 1852 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Henry Lovell abt 1856 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
William Lovell abt 1846 Stourport, Worcestershire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

1851 Swan Gardens
George Lovell abt 1817 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Head Wolverhampton, Staffordshire Tin Puddler
Sarah Lovell abt 1815 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Eliza Lovell abt 1843 Taeforist, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Lovell abt 1835 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
William Lovell abt 1846 Upper Mitton, Worcestershire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

now back to 1841 - in the area of Treforest perhaps ?

1841
George Lovell abt 1816 Monmouthshire, Wales Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Lovell abt 1821 Monmouthshire, Wales Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Lovell abt 1839 Monmouthshire, Wales Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire
Sarah Lovell abt 1836 Monmouthshire, Wales Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire

death ?
Name: Charlotte Lovell
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Abergavenny
County: Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 10

Year: 1834
Month: Dec
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: SIAH
Child_Forenames: Charlotte
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: The Middle Forge - Parish of Lydney
Occupation: Furnace man - in Mr Jamess Works
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 141
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

In 1814 the Lydney forges were leased to John James, who in the early 1820s
built a new forge called New Mills roughly half way between Upper forge and Middle forge.
By 1844 James was using Lower forge as a tinplating works.

From: 'Lydney', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 46-84.
URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23251 Date accessed: 28 March 2009.

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I wonder if his mother marries a LOVELL or the blood father is a LOVELL ?

SRYS - SIAH ?

Year: 1815
Month: May
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: SRYS[?]
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tidenham
Occupation: Illegitimate
Officiating_Minister: C Bryan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes: Illegitimate written in occupation - for Lancaut Chapel written in margin
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston

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Thank you for all the information. As I am new to family tree research , could you explain how you make the connection from Siar to Lovell? I have heard of alias's but not how they work.
It puzzles me that if they took the name Lovell around 1837 why did they revert to Siar on the marriage certificate of Sarah and JJ Davies 1853.
Also Charlotte Siah born c1834 in Lydney, Sarah's sister, is not mentioned on any of the subsequent census.
Thanks again Dennie

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from transcripts

Year: 1836
Month: Mar
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: SIAH
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lydney
Occupation: Furnace man in Iron Works
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 150
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1834
Month: Jul
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: SIAH
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: JARRETT
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: George Jarrett
Witness_2: Matilda Edwards
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 64
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1816
Month: Oct
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: JARRETT
Child_Forenames: Sarah
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lidney
Occupation: Forgeman
Officiating_Minister: Wm. Jones
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: D[aughte]r of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

Year: 1832
Month: Nov
Day: 5
Parents_Surname: JARRETT
Child_Forenames: Mary
Fathers_Forenames: George
Mothers_Forenames: Charlotte
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Middle Forge - Parish of Lydney
Occupation: Forgeman in Mr Jamess Works
Officiating_Minister: H.C.H.Hawkins Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC 209 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 127
Parish_Chapel: Lydney

with all the name changes here ! is this the parents marriage ?

1851
George Jarrett abt 1790 New Ware, Herefordshire, England Head Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Charlotte Jarrett abt 1789 New Ware, Herefordshire, England Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Catharine Jarrett abt 1818 St Dom Sass, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
George Jarrett abt 1819 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
George Jarrett abt 1848 Wilden, Worcestershire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Mary Jarrett abt 1834 Lyminge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

1841
George Jarrett abt 1791 Llantwitvairdre, Glamorgan
Charlotte Jarrett abt 1791 Llantwitvairdre, Glamorgan
George Jarrett abt 1821 Llantwitvairdre, Glamorgan
James Jarrett abt 1826 Llantwitvairdre, Glamorgan
Mary Jarrett abt 1833 Llantwitvairdre, Glamorgan

Year 1811
Month Nov
Day 5
Grooms Surname DYKE
Grooms Forenames George
Grooms Age
Groom Condition Batchelor
Grooms Occupation
Grooms Residence St James in Devizes in the County of Wiltshire
Grooms Fathers Surname
Grooms Fathers Forenames
Grooms Fathers Occupation
Brides Surname ROE
Brides Forenames Charlotte
Brides Age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation
Brides Residence of this Parish
Brides Fathers Surname
Brides Fathers Forenames
Brides Fathers Occupation
Licence or Banns Licence
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark Both sign
Witness 1 Charles Inman
Witness 2 Sarah Roe
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister W[illia]m Jones curate
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P209 IN 1/9
Page Number 5
Parish Chapel Lydney

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This is the correct Sarah who married my G G granfather John Jenkin Davies at the parish church Bushbury 1853( I have obtained the marriage certificate),George her father was alive at the time, but I can still find no reference to the Siar (SiaH) family in any of the census on line.
Does anyone have access to the Bushbury and district census 1841/1851, to help me in my search. Maybe the name is misspelt.
Any thoughts appreciated
regards Dennie.

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Does anyone have access to the Bushbury and district census 1841/1851, to help me in my search. Maybe the name is misspelt.

Who are you looking for ? I'm sure we have a possible for Sarah in South Wales in 1841 and Swan Garden, Wolverhampton in 1851 not far from Bushbury. For some reason post 1837 the family is using LOVELL as its surname .....

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Perhaps the Marriage Certificate would yield more clues i.e. address where Sarah was living on her marriage, occupation of her father George, and witness names. My x Grandfather reverted to his mother's maiden name on the last two census returns of his and his wife's lives. I cannot find any other options on Ancestry from 1841 onwards.

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Thank you for your help.
I have the marriage certificate, the address on it is just Bushbury, the witnesses are Mary Jarrett and Richard Holding. Richard is John Jenkin Davies's brother in law, and Mary is the aunt of Sarah Siar. George Siar is stated as being a Furnace man at the time of the wedding.
I am trying to locate the family Siar before Sarah and John married. The Davies family are living in Sedgley Wolverhampton 1841.
Thanks again Regards Dennie

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I think you will find this is the family - living a few hundred yards away from Bushbury in Swan Gardens.

1851 Swan Gardens
George Lovell abt 1817 Saul, Gloucestershire, England Head Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Lovell abt 1815 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Eliza Lovell abt 1843 Taeforist, Glamorgan, Wales Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah Lovell abt 1835 Lydney, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
William Lovell abt 1846 Upper Mitton, Worcestershire, England Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

The area has Iron works at Swan Gardens and Shrubbery.
http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/OtherTrades/BCN/Shrubbery.htm
http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/
www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/OtherTrades/CraneFoundry/Foundry.htm

And a near Forest link as people from Swan Gardens Works moved to work at the new Lysaght steelworks in Newport, South Wales.

Why is that name important ?

Because Chepstow castle was bought by businessman William Royse Lysaght, of Tutshill - - another interesting link between the Forest of Dean and the Black Country.

Some may remember the Lysaght's at Castleford Hill, opposite Mopla Rd, Tutshill.

Year: 1945
Month: Apr
Day: 30
Surname: LYSAGHT
Forenames: William Royse
Residence: Castleford Tidenham
Age_at_death: 86 years
Officiating_Minister: D Hughes Vicar of Chepstow
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333/1 IN 1/17
Page_No: 185
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

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Dennie

I am not sure if this is the answer - but I think it is worth looking at.

On the 1861 census, 'Slowhands' has kindly put on this site - George Lovell and his wife Sarah have a family including William Lovell age 15, born Worcester, Stourport and George age 9 born Stafford.

Your family are on the 1871 census in Warrington (already on the FOD site)

On the 1871 census for Staffordshire, George LOVELL is aged 62 (tin worker) widowed born Saul.

However, I have found on the 1871 census in Warrington (listed on Ancestry.com as LYAS) two brothers :
boarding

William SYAR - unmarried age 25 - Iron Worker Forge Roller - born Worcester, Stourport - and George SYAR - age 20 - Iron Worker Puddle - born Stafford Wolverhampton. More work to be done here !!!!

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Looking again at the 1871 census in Warrington : 'FINKIN DAVIES' and family (as per Slowhands) is on page 25 in the Parish of St Paul's and the two brothers listed as LYAS, but look like SYAR are on the page before i.e. page 24 - so I think this could be her brothers.

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I think this may hopefully be of use

1871 census, Warrington - District St Paul page 24

Thomas BURTON - Head age 31, Iron Worker - Metal ......born Fradswell, Staffordshire
Eliza - wife - age 27 born New Bridge Glamorganshire

Thomas BURTON married Eliza SIRE - June 1864

So I think this is Sarah's, William's and Thomas - sister

William - Son age 5 Scholar, born Lancashire, Warrington
Thomas - Son age 4 born 'ditto'
Ceclia - Daughter age 2 - ditto

and then we have

William SYAR - Boarder - unmarried age 25 Iron Worker Forge Roller born Worcs Stourport
George SYAR - Boarder - unmarried age 20 ditto - Puddle, born Stafford, Wolverhampton

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Stilll looking for why the SIAR - LOVELL change of surnames -- but a very strong piece of evidence that the link is sound and more than just a "good fit" from the census data !

death ?
Name: George Lovell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 70
District: Warrington
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 182

1911 ( may not all be at this address
SYERS GEORGE M 1851 60 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS MARY F 1850 61 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS FLORRIE F 1911 3 MONTHS Warrington Lancashire
SYERS JOHN M 1903 8 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS JOSEPH M 1905 6 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS JOSEPH M 1899 12 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS MAGGIE F 1899 12 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS MARTHA F 1909 2 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS MARTHA F 1880 31 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS MARY ELIZABETH F 1907 4 Warrington Lancashire
SYERS WILLIAM M 1892 19 Warrington Lancashire

1901
George Syres abt 1852 Wolverhampton Head Warrington, Lancashire
Mary Syres abt 1851 Warrington, Lancashire, England Wife Warrington, Lancashire
Charlotte A Syres abt 1887 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Joseph Syres abt 1890 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
Margaret Syres abt 1884 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Mary E Syres abt 1881 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
William Syres abt 1892 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire

and
George H Syers abt 1877 Warrington, Lancashire, England Head Warrington, Lancashire
Maggie Syers abt 1899 Warrington Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
George H Syers abt 1900 Warrington Son Warrington, Lancashire

1891
George Syers abt 1852 Whampton, Staffordshire, England Head Warrington, Lancashire
Mary Syers abt 1850 Warrington, Lancashire, England Wife Warrington, Lancashire
Charlotte Syers abt 1887 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
George Syers abt 1877 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
John Syers abt 1875 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
Joseph Syers abt 1890 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
Margaret Syers abt 1884 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Mary E Syers abt 1881 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire

1881
George Shires abt 1851 Wolverhampton Head Warrington, Lancashire
Mary Shires abt 1851 Warrington, Lancashire, England Wife Warrington, Lancashire
Geore H. Shires abt 1877 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
John Shires abt 1875 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
Mary E. Shires Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire

Name: Mary Warburton
Name: George Syre Lovel
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Warrington
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 220

1871
Thomas Burton abt 1840 Fradswell, Staffordshire, England Head Warrington, Lancashire
Eliza Burton abt 1844 New Bridge, Glamorgan, Wales Wife Warrington, Lancashire
Ciclia Burton abt 1869 Warrington, Lancashire, England Daughter Warrington, Lancashire
Thomas Burton abt 1867 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
William Burton abt 1866 Warrington, Lancashire, England Son Warrington, Lancashire
George Lyas abt 1851 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Boarder Warrington, Lancashire
William Lyas abt 1846 Stourport, Worcestershire, England Boarder Warrington, Lancashire

Name:Eliza Sire
Name: Thomas Burton
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6b
Page: 673

Name: George Siah Lovell
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 17
Page: 423

Name: William Lovell
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Droitwich
County: Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 235

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Hi, I am part of the Syers family up here in Warrington, The family tree for the Syers family was done for us in the 1980's, I still have a copy somewhere.
The reason for the name change, and this is what I am led to believe , not only from the genealogist, but word of mouth from family members, is that the family were became travellers (gypsies) from the Gloucester area, they moved up to Warrington , iron and wireworks being the main trade of the town, the name Lovell was a Gypsy name, and as such, with gypsies having a bad reputation, and being unemployable, when asked his name George said 'It is George, sire', sire meaning 'sir', this was then taken that his name was George Siah, and when the census was performed, it was duly filled as Siah, this was most likely done by a canvasser calling at the door to fill in uncompleted censuses.
Since the name stuck, the name was used when registering births / marriages etc, but then spelt Syre, this has later evolved to Syers.
As they came from Gypsy background, the family could not read / write, so the spelling of the name was left to the registrar of the day.
As a footnote, there has always been a George Henry in the family, handed out from generation to generation...in fact, George Henry Syers was Warrington Mayor in 1990.
Most of this is word of mouth, passed through the years, so may not be 100%, but it is as the family understands it.

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Hi Dennie,Just joined forum.Sarah Siah Lovell is a relative of mine.She was born in Lydney in 1836.Her parents were George Siah Lovell and Sarah Jarrett.Siblings were Charlotte ,William,George junior(my gg grandfather),Frances and Thomas.I have the tree from William Lovell in 1715.Do you need any further information? Graham.

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Hi magnusnasus,
any information you have would be great.
Sarah married John Jenkin Davies Feb. 1853 Bushbury Stafford. I have their marriage certificate and would be pleased to forward a copy.
They are my great, great grandparents.
I know her parents were George Siar and Sarah Jarrett but have no knowledge of George before 1834 marriage.
I can be contacted by email doreenkay@blueyonder.co.uk

Regards Doreen

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Has anybody noticed that Herbert Davies, born 1857 at Dudley Staffs, the son of Jenkin Davies (aka John Jenkin Davies) and his wife (Sarah, whateven her maiden name was) is shown on the 1881 census living as a lodger at 19 Lloyd Street Warrington in the home of Henry Sear, 26, an iron puddlier and his family, his wife Mary A 21 and daughter Sarah aged 3, born Warrington. The birth records on FreeBMD for that daughter Sarah Sear show she was born March qtr 1878 at Warrington (8c/213) In the 1891 cessus she was 13 and was still with her family (spelled on the census as Syres) then in 1901 she was 23 and married to John Thomas Fritchett 23, born Warrington, and the marriage record for them shows they married at Warrington December qtr 1897 (8c/258) and Sarah died at Warrington March qtr 1960 (10f/777) We also found a marriage record for Jenkin Davies (which are the only names we found on his baptism, no John, just plain Jenkin) showing his marriage in 1853 at Penkridge to either a Sarah Martin or Sarah Sear (vol/page 4b/423). We also note that in the census of 1841 and 1851 when Jenkin is with his parents (Jenkin Davies and Sarah nee Keeling) he is always shown just as Jenkin, and in the census of 1861 he is just plain Jenkin with his wife Sarah at Swan Gardens Wolverhampton.Then in 1871 census he has become Finkin,and his son Jenkin is also shown as Finkin. The 1881 census shows him again as Jenkin, as does the 1891 census, so it appears the only place he is referred to as John Jenkin Davies is on his marriage record on FreeBMD, and never on the census before of after his marriage.

The children of Jenkin and Sarah that we have found are Christiana born 1853.Herbert born 1857, Florence born 1859, Jenkin born abt 1863, but no birth record found so far, Alice 1866, Fanny 1874, Sarah Ellen born 1880

we also looked for found a marriage for the son Herbert to a lady named Ann, as shown on the census from 1891, and the marriage record for him to Ann shows his name as Herbert Inkerman Davies, so unsure if this is even the same man as this second name Inkerman had not been used previously nor again after the marriage

we hope somebody is able to help us with some info, and that our contribution can help others, but my wife is related to the Keeling family of Sarah (married Jenkin Davies at Sedgley Staffordsgure 13th february 1820), and we have been researching the Keeling family for more than 50 years, a labour of love and even after all those years, still a work in progress. best wishes from Australia from us 2 Aussies.

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Hi, I have a copy of the marriage certificate for John Jenkin Davis born 1831 walsal Staffordshire and Sarah Siar, born Lydney 1836. father George Siar. Parish church Bushbury district of Penkridge. witness Richard Holding and Mary Jarratt.

Herbert Davies lodging with Henry Sear in Warrington 1881 census, Henry is Sarah Siar's brother

John Jenkin Davis Sarah nee Siar
census 1861 Swan Gardens Wolverhampton
1871 Pitt Street Warrington
1881 93 Catherine Street Warrington
1891 27 withington Lane New Springs Aspull Wigan
John Jenkin died 1897 buried Haigh St. David's see lancashire on line parish records

1891 John Jenkin 1863/ Mary Ann nee Pugh married 1883 St Pauls Warrington 38 Leeds Street New Springs
1901 John Jenkin / Mary Ann 29 Leeds Street New Springs
1911 John Jenkin/ Mary Ann 29 Leeds Street New Springs
John Jenkin died 1923 New Springs

I too am descended from Jenkin Davis and Sarah Keeling.

I hope this information helps, try Look ups on Lancashire on line parish records, also Lancashire BMD both free sites.

You may also be interested to know that the Siar family originally were named Lovell and were Romany. The Lovell name was discarded to help find work as gypsies found employment hard to come by.

Good Luck Dennie

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