SAYES from Tidenham and Ellwood area

Looking for information on the SAYES family from Tidenham and Ellwood area. Other names in family include: Powell, Selby, Birt. Thanks Lynda Spann

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I do not know much about these families except that Emma Selby (1825), daughter of John Selby (1795) and Jane Darby, was married to John Seys from Tidenham on 3.4.1852 at Tidenham Parish Church. They had a child Elijah Seys, b circa 1854. John Seys died and was buried on 29.4.1855 at Tidenham. Emma then married William Jones in 1860 and they had three known children, William (1861), Richard (1864) and John (1866). Emma is related to my husband as John was his 4 x ggrandfather. I was in contact with someone on Genes Reunited from the Seys family some time ago who had Emma on her family tree. I believe she lived in Australia. I can look up my messages on Genes Reunited and find her if you would like her name.

You may know of above information already. I'm afraid I don't really know anything about the Seys family apart from what I have found in the Parish Registers and on the censuses. However, I have plenty on the Selbys.

Sheila

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Sheila

I have nothing on the SHELBY LINE so anything you can give me would help. I have been researching the SAYES (SEYS) line and have quite a bit from the Parish records. If you have a contact in Australia (I think one of the Sayes line moved there) that would be helpful.

Thanks. Lynda

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Hi Lynda

How are you connected to the Selby/Seys families? I had a quick look at my mail on Genes Reunited and the person I was in contact with was a Linda Gatfield in Australia. She had Emma Selby on her family tree but was not interested in that line of the family. I will have a further look at her tree later as I have to go out now but I was interested to see her name was Gatfield as Emma Elizabeth Selby, daughter of Enoch Selby, married William Gatfield from St Briavels and they had a son, Douglas Gatfield, who moved to Australia. I wonder if this is a coincidence or another link? I'm sure that she had a lot of Seys on her family tree but my memory may be wrong. However, I will do a further search later today hopefully.

I have a 'book' on the Selbys and am at present updating this so if there is anything specific you want, please let me know.

If you search for Selby in the Forum you will find quite a bit of information and also look at 'Hewelsfield our Village' on the downloads which includes information on Enoch and George Selby.

Sheila

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Hi Lynda

I have just checked Genes Reunited for the Australian family tree but I don't seem to have access to it anymore. I have e-mailed Linda to let me have access again. Will let you know when/if I get it. Her name seems to be Linda Walker so don't know where the Gatfield came in - perhaps I was asleep this morning when checking it although one could be her maiden name.

Sheila

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good morning Sheila,

I only recently joined the Forest of Dean family history forum. My name is Linda Gatfield, Douglas Gatfield was my father, and Emma Selby was my grandmother. I was surprised to read that another Linda Gatfield had been in touch with you, although I know that there is someone with the same name as me who used to live in the same area in Sydney.
I am very interested in finding out more about the Selby family. Emma and William Gatfield had two sons and two daughters. Douglas emigrated to Australia in 1966. My sister and I live in Sydney, but both my parents died some time ago.
i would love to hear from you.
Regards
Linda

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Hi Linda

Good to hear from you. I knew Douglas Gatfield had moved to Australia as I am in contact with your relation, Peter Williams, grandson of Christine Gatfield, now living in New Zealand. However, I have no other information on your family so perhaps you could click on my e-mail envelope and write to me and I will get back in touch. I have photos of Emma's grave in St Briavels churchyard and if you have not seen this I can send it to you. Peter actually told me about it so we visit it when we are in the area. There are some Selby photos in the photo gallery on this site if you have not seen them yet. I have about 6 files on the Selbys and am at the moment updating them so I can probably give you loads of information.

Emma Selby was my husband's grandfather's sister. He was George Maurice Selby.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Sheila

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Lynda

I appear to have lost the connection with Linda Walker's tree but I have asked to see it again. She wants to know why so I have just written back to her. Hope I will get permission to see it soon.

Sheila

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Now have Linda's tree. Have replied to you on your e-mail address.

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1841
William Leys abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Tidenham, Gloucestershire Clerk
Ann Leys abt 1789 Tidenham, Gloucestershire

Year: 1822
Month: Dec
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: SEYS
Child_Forenames: William Aeneas
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tidenham
Occupation: Clerk
Officiating_Minister: Tho[mas] Thomas
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born October 21
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333/1 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 36
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

1851
Anne Seys abt 1784 Stratford Upon Avon, Warwickshire, England Head Tidenham, Gloucestershire
William E Seys abt 1823 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Son Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Anne Fenton abt 1805 Putney, Surrey, England Daughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Emily Fenton abt 1839 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Ellen E Fenton abt 1841 Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Tidenham, Gloucestershire

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This SEYS/SAYES family is not the same as Lynda's SEYS/SAYES. I think there must be a connection as far back as about 1680!
Judith

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WILLIAM SEYS
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH WILLIAMS
Marriage: 09 JUN 1785 Tidenham, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M057771 1585 - 1592 0427792 Film 6912009 Film
M057771 1609 - 1621 0427792 Film NONE
M057771 1640 0427792 Film NONE
M057771 1677 - 1812 0427792 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

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Elijah and Emily SAYES of Ellwood lost two sons in World War 1. Able Seaman Samuel SAYES, KW/108, Nelson Battalion Royal Naval Division died 27/6/1915 age 31, of enteric fever, and was buried at East Mudros Military Cemetery. 2nd. Lt. John SAYES 2nd. Battalion Devonshire Regt. killed in action 31/10/1918 age 27, and was buried at Valenciennes (St. Roch) Communal Cemetery, France. He was previously in the RAMC.
A report in the Dean Forest Mercury (16/7/1915) of Sam SAYES' death also mentions a son Leslie who was serving in the Grenadier Guards and was wounded on Christmas Eve 1914 at La Bassee. John was reported as being the secretary of Ellwood Cricket Club, a member of the ("Bluebells") Ellwood Association Football Club, and secretary of the local football league.
At the time he enlisted John was teaching in Kent having previuosly been an assistant at St. John's School, Coleford. Samuel had been employed at a colliery near Barnsley, Yorkshire. Leslie's occupation was not stated, but had been living in South Wales prior to enlisting, his age was given as 29.

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1861
William Jones abt 1820 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Jones abt 1825 Hewersfield, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Jones abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Jones abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elijah Leyes abt 1854 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Wifes Son (Step Son) West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Selby abt 1790 Hewersfield, Gloucestershire, England Visitor West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1872
Month: Aug
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: SAYES
Grooms_Forenames: Elijah
Grooms_Age: 18
Groom_Condition: Batchelor
Grooms_Occupation: Miner
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Sayes
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: POWELL
Brides_Forenames: Emily
Brides_Age: 16
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ellwood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Powell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Eliza Jones
Witness_2: mark of Henry Powell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Jo[hn] Jo[seph] Elsworth Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/21
Page_Number: 124
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1881
Sarah Powell abt 1815 Newland Parish, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elijah Sayers abt 1853 Trevehen, Wales Son in Law West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Sayers abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
James R. Sayers abt 1877 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ruth E. Sayers abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891
Elijah Sayes abt 1854 Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily Sayes abt 1856 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Sayes abt 1877 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emily R Sayes abt 1879 West Dean Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Sayes abt 1882 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Samuel Sayes abt 1884 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Leslie Sayes abt 1886 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Sayes abt 1889 West Dean Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sayes abt 1891 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Elijah Sayes abt 1854 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Emily Sayesabt 1856 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Edwin Sayes abt 1882 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Samuel Sayes abt 1884 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Leslie Sayes abt 1887 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Sarah Sayes abt 1889 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
John Sayes abt 1892 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

SAYES, SAMUEL
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Able Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: Nelson Bn. R.N. Div.
Age: 31
Date of Death: 27/06/1915
Service No: KW/108
Additional information: Son of Elijah and Emily Sayes, of "Ellwood", Coleford, Glos.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. D. 95.
Cemetery: EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY

Name: SAYES, JOHN
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Second Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Devonshire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 31/10/1918
Additional information: Son of Elijah and Emily Sayes, of Ellwood, Coleford, Glos.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. F. 17.
Cemetery: VALENCIENNES (ST. ROCH) COMMUNAL CEMETERY

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1841
Source information: HO107/365/7
Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Lydney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Folio: 20
Page: 7
1841
Jane Lebey abt 1796 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Abedneygo Lebey abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Jane Lebey abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
John Lebey abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Mespack Lebey abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

Source information: HO107/365/7
Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Lydney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Folio: 4
Page: 2

1841
John Selly abt 1796 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire
Hannah Rossel abt 1801 Hewelsfield Gloucestershire

1851
John Selby abt 1796 Parrishby, Wiltshire, England Head Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Jane Selby abt 1791 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Wife Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
John Selby abt 1830 Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire, England Son Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire

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Hi Slowhands

I was just about to write to you when I read this message. I had been looking at a similar one you posted some time ago re John and Jane Selby. On Findmypast I have only been able to find John on the 1841 Census living at Jolly on his own. You seem to have someone else with him. I cannot find Jane and the children at all even looking under Lebey and also street names. I wondered what your source was? I have only recently found out that there was a daughter, Jane, from someone else's research. If I had looked more closely at your previous posting I would have found her then. Although I had found her on the 1851 Census, I did not know who she belonged to.

I suppose that transcribers on different sites such as Ancestry, do read things differently. I have had to write to FindmyPast on several occasions to get things altered as it is obvious from the original that it was copied wrongly.

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My usual source is Ancestry, in this case the source was a CD of 1841 images.

Ancestry has them transcribed as Lebey, I have included the reference if your source lets you search by book/page etc.

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