Thomas John JONES, born 1917 East Dean

Hi there

New to the message board, so hi there!

Wonder if anyone can help me at all, or suggest where else I might be able to look;

My grandad was Thomas John Jones, born January 1917 in "Morse Road, East Dean R.D." - firstly, where would this be on a map, I haven't been able to find it on any maps - either old or new :(

On his birth certificate from 1917, his father is listed as Birt Jones, and his mother is listed as Mary Jones, formerly Mansell.

I have Mary Mansell in the 1911 census, as a servant and 'single', so theoretically they should have married between 1911 and 1917 - but I have been unable to find any such marriage. Can anyone else see it or suggest where else I could look?

I have found a marriage for Mary Mansell to a Lionel Bosley, in Q3 1913.
I have also found a marriage for Birt Jones to a Mary Coopey, in Q2 1916.

I know my grandad had a brother, Stan, the only Stan Jones born in East Dean in the right period of time is born in Q4, 1920 - and the index lists his mother's maiden name as Mary Coopey!

Everything seems to be pointing to the theory that my grandad's parents weren't married and that he was born out of wedlock. Given that Birt Jones was married to Mary Coopey in the summer of 1916, and my grandad was born in January 1917 but lists his mother as Mary Mansell - I wonder if he ever even knew his father other than by name. At the time of his birth, Mary Mansell would have been married to Lionel Bosley.

I wonder if my granded grew up with his mother and Lionel, or his father and Mary Cooper??

Anyone know of any way I can find out more, or of any local resources that I could use?

Many thanks in advance
Rachel

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Hi Rachel
This might be them:-

Record_ID: 15480
Entry_Number: 271
Year: 1911
Month: Mar
Day: 4
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 26
Groom_Condition: bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Pillowell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Isaac
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: collier
Brides_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Forenames: Dora
Brides_Age: 22
Brides_Condition: spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Pillowell
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charels Henry
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: collier
Licence_or_Banns: banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Arnold Wintle
Witness_2: Emmie Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: D J Banham vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P245 IN 1/22
Page_Number: 136
Parish_Chapel: Parkend
Soundex_Groom: J520
Soundex_Bride: M524

Dave

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Hi Rachel

Morse Road seems to be in Drybrook. This link has maps of the East Dean and the West Dean, and you will see where Drybrook is :)

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/the-forest-of-dean/maps-of-the-forest

Simone x

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Hi again

Through speaking to some very clever people, I have another possibility to consider... (and I like this one much more lol)

In 1899, a little girl named Mary was born to parents Sarah COOPEY and Thomas MANSELL. The birth was registered in the ROSS registration district.

This couple married later that year so Sarah COOPEY, and Mary COOPEY became Sarah and Mary MANSELL.

Just a year and a half later, in the census of 1901, the family were living at Morse Lane, Ruardean:

Thomas MANSELL Head
Sarah MANSELL Wife
Mary MANSELL Dau - aged 1
Francis MANSELL Dau - just born

Morse Lane Ruardean is right next to Morse Road (where my grandad was born).

So, I think Mary lived as Mary MANSELL but for the purposes of her marriage, she had to be married as her birth name Mary COOPEY. It is wholly possible that at the time of registering her first son's birth in 1917, my grandad, when she was asked for her maiden name she gave it as MANSELL and then when the time came to register their second son's birth in 1920, Uncle Stan, she answered that her maiden name was COOPEY.

I am so hoping this is true, but I will need to do some more searching for records that back it up.

How very exciting!
Rachel

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Hi again Rachel

Morse Road goes from Nailbridge up to Ruardean and Morse Lane is a small road that branches off from Morse Road halfway along it and goes to Drybrook.
These can be found on the maps on this site.

Dave

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Hi Rachel
Perhaps this is what you are looking for:-

Record_ID: 59225
Entry_Number: 227
Year: 1899
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: MANSELL
Grooms_Forenames: Tom Cook
Grooms_Age: 18
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Weston under Penyard
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mansell
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: COOPEY
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Weston
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Coopey
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs She marks
Witness_1: George Cook Mansell
Witness_2: The mark of Martha cook Mansell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E.B Hawkshaw (Rector)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: This marriage is recorded at Entry No 223 in the duplicate Register [initials signed] EBH
Notes:
Register_Reference: A33/10
Page_Number: 114
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard
Soundex_Groom: M524
Soundex_Bride: C100

Record_ID: 163852
Entry_Number: 127
Year: 1901
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: MANSELL
Child_Forenames: FrancisLilian May
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean Gloucester
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: E. Faull
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Drybrook School Room
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/6
Page_Number: 33
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit
Soundex: M524

Record_ID: 163942
Entry_Number: 207
Year: 1902
Month: Sep
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: MANSELL
Child_Forenames: Minnie May
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean Gloucester
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: T.C. Jacob
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Drybrook School Room
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/6
Page_Number: 46
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit
Soundex: M524

Dave

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Dave,

Thank you so much!

I'm struggling to find my way around the website, where did you find that info? Its wonderful - but no idea how you got to it!

Once again, thank you x lots!

Rachel

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Hi Rachel

Just go to Parish Records and experiment. This is a fantastic site with so much information due to the superb efforts of the transcribers and Admin. Slowhands, I'm sure, will also give you a helping hand as he seems to be the website expert. (Not sure when he sleeps as he always seems to be there to help).

Dave

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Not sure when he sleeps as he always seems to be there to help

Sometime between work and helping here :-)

Looks like you have pinpointed the Morse upon Ruardean Hill ( Nailbridge / Drybrook thru to Ruardean)

Name: Stanley H Jones
Mother's Maiden Surname: Cooper
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1920
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 535

Name: Gwendoline E M Jones
Mother's Maiden Surname: Coopey
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1925
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 449

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Hi again

From the 1911 census, I can see that Thomas and Sarah Mansell had 7 children in total, 4 of which were still alive in 1911 but 3 died.

Is there anywhere (other than the GRO index) I can find the names of these children?

Also, the info from a few posts ago that has references to school rooms - where is that on the parish records? If I just put Mansell in, too much comes up and I can't tell which are my Mansells...but I don't know the names to put in so I get the results.

Help!

Rachel x

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slowhands.......

WOW!!

You've just jogged a memory for me, Gwen... Auntie Gwen! I remember Grandad having a sister too now. She moved to Louisiana and married a guy called John Brouilette. I stayed with them for a while when I was 6 or 8 - he taught me to ride my bike!!

Thank you!!!

Rachel x

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one way to get there is play "family tree algebra" - use the Census data and take the births then compare with the deaths for the period and 3 or 4 contenders will surface :-)

1911
MANSELL TOM M 1881 30 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MANSELL SARAH F 1881 30 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MANSELL GEORGE M 1910 1 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MANSELL HAROLD M 1908 3 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MANSELL MARY F 1900 11 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
MANSELL WILLIAM M 1907 4 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Births
Ivy Agnes Mansell 1902 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire
Joseph Dennis N Mansell 1902 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire
Minnie May Mansell 1902 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire
Lily Mansell 1903 Jan-Feb-Mar Gloucestershire
Constance Martha Mansell 1904 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire
Frederick Graham Mansell 1904 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire
Dorothy Mansell 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire
Florence Eliza Mansell 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucestershire
Gladys Mansell 1906 Jan-Feb-Mar Gloucestershire
William Henry Mansell 1906 Jul-Aug-Sep Gloucestershire
George Thomas Mansell 1910 Apr-May-Jun Gloucestershire

deaths
Charlotte Ann C Mansell abt 1899 1902 Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
Constance Martha Mansell abt 1904 1905 Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
Frederick Graham Mansell abt 1904 1904 Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire
Florence Eliza Mansell abt 1906 1906 Westbury On Severn Gloucestershire

Then cross check with the transcribed records :-

Year: 1902
Month: Jan
Day: 16
Surname: MANSELL
Forenames: Charlotte Ann Cook
Residence: Harry Hill
Age_at_death: 3 years
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 143
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1905
Month: Apr
Day: 14
Surname: MANSELL
Forenames: Constance Martha
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Age_at_death: 12 months
Officiating_Minister: James Lawton Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 173
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Year: 1906
Month: Nov
Day: 12
Surname: MANSELL
Forenames: Florence Eliza
Residence: Lea Bailey
Age_at_death: 1 month
Officiating_Minister: H E Barnet Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/13
Page_No: 187
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Hi again,

Thank you for that slowhands - I'm understanding a little more now.

Before I venture further finding childrens baptisms and siblings etc I want to do everything I can to be sure that I have the right family this time. There are several Mary Coopeys, Mary Mansells and Sarah Coopeys in the area, at a similar time so I am nervous to grab a family and run with it so to speak. Here's what I can piece together - does it make sense, do the locations match up and can you spot anything that doesn't sound quite right...if so please tell me, so I can re-think.

1879 (approx) a Sarah Coopey born, either Churcham (1901 cen) or Gloucester (1911 cen)

1881 (approx) a Tom Cook Mansell born, either Ruardean (1901 cen) or East Dean (1911 cen)

1899 Mary Coopey born, Berry Hill (1901 cen) or Weston under Penyard (1911 cen)

1899 Tom Cook Mansell and Sarah Coopey marry, Weston under Penyard. His father is William Mansell. Her father is Thomas Coopey.

1901 family living at Morse Lane, Ruardean. Comprises:
Thomas Mansell - age 21 Coal miner
Sarah Mansell - age 22
Mary Mansell - age 1
Francis Mansell - under 1 month

1911 family living at Harry Hill, Drybrook. Comprises:
Thomas Mansell - age 30 Coal miner Hewer. at Colliery.
Sarah Mansell - age 30
Mary Mansell - age 11
William Mansell - age 4 born East Dean
Harold Mansell - age 3 born East Dean
George Mansell - age 1 born East Dean
The census shows the couple have had 7 children, 4 of which are living and 3 who have died. It says they have been married 11 years.

So, theoretically in the census' of 1891, 1881 Tom and Sarah would be living separately. I am struggling to find them with family that match the information from the marriage entry in the parish record. Can anyone spot either/both of them in 1881 or 1891? I can only see a Sarah that fits with the info, as daughter of Joseph and Isabella Coopey - not Thomas as the parish marriage record states. Help!

I need to obtain the marriage certificate for Mary Coopey and Birt Jones, in Westbury on Severn, does anyone know which record office I would have to get it from? I've always ordered everything from the GRO direct but it might be quicker to go directly to the office and pick it up.

Thank you so much for helping me with this, it is still very emotional - I feel scared to hope that it will turn out ok and that I will be able to find that this Mary Coopey turned Mansell *is* the right one but I am desperate for it to be so.

Rachel x

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Year: 1837
Month: Sep
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: COOPEY
Child_Forenames: Joseph
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Anne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Birdwood
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Geo.C.Hall Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Privately
Notes:
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 79
Parish_Chapel: Churcham

1841
Mary Coopey abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Churcham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Coopey abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Churcham, Gloucestershire
Joseph Coopey abt 1838 Gloucestershire, England Churcham, Gloucestershire

1851
Mary A Coopey abt 1811 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Head Churcham, Gloucestershire
Joseph Coopey abt 1838 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham, Gloucestershire
Eliza Coopey abt 1843 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham, Gloucestershire

1861
Maryann Coopey abt 1813 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Head Churcham, Gloucestershire
Josep Coopey abt 1838 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham, Gloucestershire
Eliza A Coopey abt 1843 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham, Gloucestershire

1871
Joseph Cooper 32
Isabellow Cooper 28
William Cooper 9
Frederick Cooper 5
Mary Cooper 3

Year: 1879
Month: Dec
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: COOPEY
Child_Forenames: Sarah Jane
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Isabella
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Churcham
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: C.T.Reed Curate of Huntley
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/10
Page_Number: 66
Parish_Chapel: Churcham

1881
Joseph Coopey abt 1839 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Head Churcham, Gloucestershire
Isabella Coopey abt 1845 Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Wife Churcham, Gloucestershire
William Coopey abt 1864 Bulley, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Coopey abt 1867 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham, Gloucestershire
Martha Coopey abt 1869 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham, Gloucestershire
John Coopey abt 1873 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Coopey abt 1877 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Churcham, Gloucestershire
Sarah Coopey abt 1880 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Churcham, Gloucestershire

1891 the Docks Ross
Joseph Coopey abt 1839 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Head Ross, Herefordshire Labourer
Sabella Coopey abt 1845 Laterton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ross, Herefordshire
Frederick Coopeyabt 1869 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
John Coopey abt 1873 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
John Coopey abt 1875 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
Sarah Jane Coopey abt 1877 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Henry Coopey abt 1881 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire
Eliza Coopey abt 1887 Ross, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ross, Herefordshire
Tom Coopey abt 1875 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Son Ross, Herefordshire

Name: Sarah Coopey
Name: Tom Cook Mansell
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 1055

Year: 1899
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: MANSELL
Grooms_Forenames: Tom Cook
Grooms_Age: 18
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Weston under Penyard
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mansell
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: COOPEY
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Weston
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Coopey
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs She marks
Witness_1: George Cook Mansell
Witness_2: The mark of Martha cook Mansell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E.B Hawkshaw (Rector)
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: This marriage is recorded at Entry No 223 in the duplicate Register [initials signed] EBH
Notes:
Register_Reference: A33/10
Page_Number: 114
Parish_Chapel: Weston under Penyard

1901
Thomas Mansell abt 1880 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Herefordshire
Sarah Mansell abt 1829 [ 1879]Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ruardean, Herefordshire
Mary Mansell abt 1900 Berry Hill, Herefordshire, England Daughter Ruardean, Herefordshire
Frances Mansell abt 1901 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Ruardean, Herefordshire

[ I wonder if Berry Hill is really Pontshill or Bailey Hill nr Weston u Penyard ?]

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1891 Harry Hill
William Mansell abt 1841 Lea Blailez, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Coal Miner
Maria Mansell abt 1840 Ruardean, Herefordshire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry J Mansell abt 1869 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Mansell abt 1878 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Mansell abt 1881 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1881
William Mansell abt 1842 Lea Bailey, Gloucestershire, England Head Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Maria Cook abt 1842 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
William Cook abt 1866 Hope Mansell, Hereford, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
George Cook abt 1867 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Richard Cook abt 1870 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Henry Cook abt 1874 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Martha Cook abt 1875 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Ada Cook abt 1878 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Ruardean, Gloucestershire
Tom Cook Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Ruardean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1861
Month: Oct
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: MANSELL
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Lea Bailey
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Mansell
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MANSELL
Brides_Forenames: Jane
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Lea Bailey
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Marfell
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Timothy
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Signed
Witness_1: Joseph Mansell
Witness_2: Mary Ann Mansell
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: `
Notes: Brides names MANSELL Brides Father MARFELL
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 146
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

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Hi Rachel

Told you Slowhands was always there to help. I hope you find what you are looking for, good luck.

Dave

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Dave,

I've just logged on and seen slowhands' last post - there are hardly words!

***THANK YOU*** slowhands!

I had trawled through the census' myself and come up with similar records. The detail that is troubling me, is that on the parish record for the marriage of Sarah Coopey and Tom Mansell, Sarah's father is listed as Thomas Coopey.

The only census I can find has her father as Joseph Coopey.

Is there any way I can verify the original parish record says Thomas?

I've noted a marriage between what I assume is Sarah's sister Martha, and Tom's brother George - and this lists Martha's name as Joseph. These were the witnesses for Sarah and Tom's marriage.

Confusion reigns, lol!

Rachel

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I'd order a copy of the Cert from the GRO - then check what it says occasionaly there are transcription errors from the Parish records - sometimes the original is poor and a best attempt is done, sometimes there is an error and you can submit a correction suggestion :-)

For what its worth I'm pretty sure you are on the right track with parents Joseph and Isabella

Name: Isabella Turner
Name: Joseph Coopey
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 307

Year: 1863
Month: Feb
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: COOPEY
Grooms_Forenames: Joseph
Grooms_Age: Full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Dealer
Grooms_Residence: Churcham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Coopey
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Dealer
Brides_Surname: TURNER
Brides_Forenames: Isabella
Brides_Age: Full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Churcham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Turner
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Edwin Hyett
Witness_2: Mark of Eliza Anne Hyett
Other_Witnesses: John Stephens
Officiating_Minister: Geo. C. Hall Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Churcham

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Hi again

Certificate is on order, as soon as I get it I will update. In the meanwhile I am going to gather all the information I have and try to make sense of it.

Can I get your opinion on the 1901 census for William Mansell?

With him and Maria marrying in 1892 after his first wife Jane obviously passed away, she then passed away as Maria Mansell in 1895, her address on the parish burial record is Harry Hill, Drybrook.

There are 2 entries for William Mansell on the 1901 census of Westbury on Severn Reg District....

RG13 piece 2419 folio 45 page 3 lists him living with George and Martha Mansell and their children, as a widow, age 55, a labourer on the roads, born in Herefordshire. The address is The Meend, East Dean, Drybrook.

RG13 piece 2419 folio 72 page 27 lists him living alone, as a widow, age 59, a general labourer, born in Lea Bailey. The address is Harry Hill, Drybrook.

How can I tell which one is 'my' William Mansell?

Thanks
Rachel x

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The Harry Hill one gets my vote

1901 Harry Hill
William Mansell abt 1842 Lea; Barley Head East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1905
Month: Jul
Day: 18
Surname: MANSELL
Forenames: William
Residence: Harry Hill Drybrook
Age_at_death: 64 years
Officiating_Minister: Edward Parnell Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/14
Page_No: 18
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean

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