Hi Jeff

Thank you very much for this, apologies for my slow reply I have only just found it.

Yes much of it I know, I didn't know all of Fred's war records, That Chapel sounds like a possibility I will look into that next. I know that William Harold Hawkins was on his own at 43 Edmondstown Road, Williamstown in 1939. I'm sure this is the correct William Harold because its the address given on David's Marriage cert. Further down the street from number 65. Its also the address mentioned in Martha's will.

Fred was living in Crow Ash Road, Berry Hill in 1939. I have family there now who remember that he lived there. He was living with Jessie and her siblings.

I would be delighted to find the burials of any of this Family. I Know Annie Mary is at Christchurch. I suspect most are back in Williamstown and Fred should be in the Forest somewhere.

Thank you very much for the effort you have put in, its lovely to see all that written in one place.

Hi Bantamweight,
you're very welcome, just wish I could have offered more help.
Re Fred's WW1 Records, do you have access to Ancestry etc, maybe at your local library if not from home, unlike some they weren't hard to find. If you haven't (or maybe you're abroad etc), then I can download them and email them to you off the forum, just send me a personal mail via the blue envelope icon. That said, despite them being available (a great many are not) they're not the easiest to read in places, but still of interest of course.
I was particularly surprised as to why he joined-up in Great Yarmouth, seems a long way from home or a likely place of work, perhaps this is a clue to further records in that area ??.

From your reply I guess you've used the 1939 Registry, I've never used that but it's clearly worthwhile in this instance.

I must say I'm puzzled we cannot find a Burial Record for Fred. The most obvious place is with wife Jessie at Christchurch, yet no PR in this site's database despite it being within the cut-off date ?. Have you visited her grave at all ?.
Unsure why but I didn't even search him on FreeBMD, as I'm sure you have, so for completeness here he is, which again suggests a local Burial;

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Mar 1962
HAWKINS Frederick J. 70 F.of Dean 7b 556 annaggy

On the subject of Burial Records, after some months offline I'm pleased to see the FoD Council website is back online and allowing easy access to it's records for Mile End and Yew Tree Brake Cemetries. Sadly I cannot find Fred.

http://www.fdean.gov.uk/Fodcemeteries/default.aspx

Regarding burials at Christchurch, did you know this site has a database of Monumental Inscriptions which includes Christchurch, it includes several Hawkins altho I cannot see Fred d1962 or wife Jessie, perhaps it does include other family members ?.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/resources/17-memorial-inscriptions/28-christchurch

This site also has a section of Gravestones photos, it includes a couple of Hawkins at Christchurch which may possibly interest you.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/gravestones

Hi Bantamweight,
you're very welcome, just wish I could have offered more help.
Re Fred's WW1 Records, do you have access to Ancestry etc, maybe at your local library if not from home, unlike some they weren't hard to find. If you haven't (or maybe you're abroad etc), then I can download them and email them to you off the forum, just send me a personal mail via the blue envelope icon. That said, despite them being available (a great many are not) they're not the easiest to read in places, but still of interest of course.
I was particularly surprised as to why he joined-up in Great Yarmouth, seems a long way from home or a likely place of work, perhaps this is a clue to further records in that area ??.
From your reply I guess you've used the 1939 Registry, I've never used that but it's clearly worthwhile in this instance.
I must say I'm puzzled we cannot find a Burial Record for Fred. The most obvious place is with wife Jessie at Christchurch, yet no PR in this site's database despite it being within the cut-off date ?. Have you visited her grave at all to search for clues ?.
That said, I see this site’s database also doesn’t include a Burial for Annie Mary Hawkins (as in David’s wife ?), despite your saying she is at Christchurch, confusing… ?

I hope you’re not getting confused with this Record, which relates to Christchurch in Hampshire, not Glos.

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Mar 1956
Hawkins Annie M. 75 Christchurch 6b 285 faradap

Re Annie Mary Hawkins nee Williams, who I presume was born in Pontypridd district c1900 judging by her marrying David there in 1921. However from my viewpoint I cannot trace her farther, as there are several possible ladies of this name in the area then, and I don’t have access to the 1939 Registry which would probably be very helpful. FreeBMD shows a few Hawkins/Williams births in the District between 1921 ans David's death in 1925, but these are all quite common names in the area so ??. I suspect Annie might well have married again after being widowed so young.

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Unsure why but I now realise I didn't even search for Fred on FreeBMD, as I'm sure you have, so for completeness here he is, which again suggests a local Burial;

Surname Given Name Age District Volume Page Transcriber
Deaths Mar 1962
HAWKINS Frederick J. 70 F.of Dean 7b 556 annaggy

On the subject of Burial Records, after some months offline I'm pleased to see the FoD Council website is back online and allowing easy access to it's records for Mile End and Yew Tree Brake Cemetries. Sadly I cannot find Fred, but you may find other relatives there.

http://www.fdean.gov.uk/Fodcemeteries/default.aspx

Regarding burials at Christchurch nr Coleford, did you know this site has a database of Monumental Inscriptions which includes Christchurch, it includes several Hawkins altho I cannot see Fred d1962 or wife Jessie, perhaps it does include other family members ?.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/resources/17-memorial-inscriptions/28-christchurch

This site also has a section of Gravestones photos, it includes a couple of Hawkins at Christchurch which may possibly interest you.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/gravestones

Frederick John HAWKINS of Coverham View Berry Hill nr Coleford died 15 Jan 1962 at Lydney Hospital Admin to William Harold HAWKINS retired miner effects £381 16s 2d

Year: 1952
Month: Sep
Day: 30
Surname: HAWKINS
Forenames: Jessie
Residence: Berry Hill Christchurch (Dilke Hospital)
Age_at_death: 69 years
Officiating_Minister: W.F.Green Methodist Minister Mile End
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/17
Page_No: 57
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1939 Crow Ash , Berry Hill
Frederick J Hawkins 12 Aug 1890 Male Colliery Hewer Married 141 3
Jessie Hawkins 03 May 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 141 4

conincidence not "your" Frederick J
Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
Brake Martha Pontypridd 11a 1464
Hawkins Frederick J Pontypridd 11a 1464

1921 Frederick John and Jessie in Llantrisant

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Hawkins Frederick J Pontypridd 11a 1531
Powell Jessie Pontypridd 11a 1531

1911 65 Edmondstown Near Penygraig, Llantrisant,
Martha Belsher Wife Married Female 43 1868 - Glostershire
Fredrick J Hawkins Son Single Male 19 1892 Collier hewer Glostershire
William H Hawkins Son Single Male 15 1896 Collier hewer Glostershire
David L Hawkins Son Single Male 12 1899 At school Glamorgan
William J Belcher Son Single Male 4 1907 At school Glamorgan

1901 Berry Hill nr Berry Hill Farm
John Hawkins Head Married Male 32 1869 Coal hewer Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Martha Hawkins Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Fredrick John Hawkins Son Single Male 9 1892 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
William Harold Hawkins Son Single Male 5 1896 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
David Louis Hawkins Son Single Male 2 1899 - Coleford, Gloucestershire, England

Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
Hawkins William Harold Monmouth 11a 18

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Hawkins Frederick John Monmouth 11a 26

I suspect burial at Mile end

Yew Tree Brake Cemetery (Speech House Road, Cinderford, GL14 3HU) is open to visitors (other than those attending a funeral) 9am to 8pm during summer (GMT+1), 9am to 5pm in winter (GMT) seven days a week. Call: 01594 812514.

Mile End Cemetery (Edge End Road, Mile End, Coleford, GL16 7DB) is open to visitors (other than those attending a funeral) 9am to 8pm during summer (GMT+1), 9am to 5pm in winter (GMT) seven days a week. Call: 01594 832848.

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