Eliza Abia SEDDON nee BEACH 1857 FoD -> Wigan LANCS (General)
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, March 05, 2010, 06:55 (5439 days ago)
1861 Causeway Rd
George Beach abt 1813 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alia Beach abt 1815 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Beach abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Annis Beach abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Amy Beach abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
George Beach Junr abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Moses Beach 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Beach abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza A Beach abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
1871 Ince
George Beach 59
Abia Beach 57
George Beach 21
William Beach 17
Eliza Beach 15
Mary Morris 6
John Stott 16
John L Wells 19
Name:James Seddon
Name: Eliza Abia Beach
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 120
1881
James Seddon abt 1854 Ince, Lancashire, England Head Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Eliza. Abia Seddon abt 1857 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Peter Seddon abt 1877 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Martha Seddon abt 1879 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
George Seddon Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
1891
James Seddon abt 1854 Ince, Lancashire, England Head Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Eliza A Seddon abt 1857 Cinderfold, Gloucestershire, England Wife Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Peter Seddon abt 1877 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Martha Seddon abt 1879 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
George Seddon abt 1881 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Abia Seddon abt 1883 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
James Seddon abt 1885 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
John Seddon abt 1887 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
1901
Eliza Seddon abt 1857 Deanfowest, Gloucestershire, England Head Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
George Seddon abt 1881 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Bya Seddon abt 1883 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
James Seddon abt 1885 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
John Seddon abt 1887 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Thomas Seddon abt 1892 Ince, Lancashire, England Son Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Thomas Atherton abt 1878 Ince, Lancashire, England Son-in-law Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Martha Atherton abt 1879 Ince, Lancashire, England Daughter Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
Frank S Atherton abt 1900 Ince, Lancashire, England Grandson Ince in Makerfield, Lancashire
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Eliza Abia SEDDON nee BEACH 1857 FoD -> Wigan LANCS
by BSEDDON , Thursday, February 17, 2011, 16:45 (5089 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi Slowhands,
I came across your webpage quite by accident following a link on a 123people page belonging to a Martha Atherton who appears to live in Calafornia!!! It started with a unlikely google search for Eliza Abia Seddon who was my great grandmother. Are you also related to her in someway? Her 3rd child George was my grandfather and I remember him well. Quite how his father James and Eliza got together is a bit of a mystery given the distances (Ince and Gloucester) involved. Any info you have that would point me towards her ancestry would be appreciated. If you have any interest in her her descendents I would be happy to oblige
Regards Brian
Ps For the record, her second child Martha appears to have married one Thomas Atherton which may have given rise to the eventual Calafornian connection...
BEACH/ledbater
by m p griffiths , Thursday, February 17, 2011, 17:12 (5089 days ago) @ BSEDDON
Marriage on FOD records- at St Briavels - 2 August 1835
George BEACH, Bachelor - residence - Hundred of St Briavels ****
married
Abia LEDBATER - Spinster, - residence - Hundred of St Briavels ***
by Banns
mark of William & Mary TOES
Christening at Littledean St Ethelbert - 17 January 1821
Abiah LEADBEATER - parents James (Coalminer) & Jemima
*****
Christening at Bream St James - 28 March 1813
George BEACH - parents Thomas (Coalminer) and Mary - address Whitecroft
previous thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=1159
and George BEACH - Woodside previous thread
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=8572
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Marriage Little Dean - 25 October 1810 by Banns
James LEDBETER married Jemima MORGAN - both extra parochial
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1841 Census, Glos. Dean Forest
Ross, Woodside
BEACH
George - 25 - Collier, all born in County
Abiah - 25
Ellen - 5
Thomas - 3
1851 Census, Glos East Dean - Woodside
BEACH
George - 37 - Coal Miner, born Glos West Dean
Abiah - 36 - born Glos. East Dean
Ellen - 15 - born ditto
Thomas - 13 - Coal Miner - born ditto
Mary - 9
Annie - 7
Anny - 5
George - 1
two lodgers Charles and Thomas HALE/HALL
Following on from the 1861 census in previous link
this is George BEACH who in 1861 was a Coal Miner, in Gloucestershire with his wife and family + Abia
1891 Census - Lancashire, Ince in Makerfield
7 Brown Street
George BEACH - Wd - 78, living on own means, born Whitecroft, Glos
William BEACH - son - unmarried age 35 - Coalminer, born ditto
Mary Ann BEACH - niece - 17 - born Aspall, Lancashire
1881 Census - Ince in Makerfield
7 Brown Street
BEECH
George - 68 - Coalminer, born Glos. Soudley
Abia - 66 - born ditto
George - 31 -
William - 31
Mary A BEECH 8 - born Lancs. Ince
1871 Census - Ince in Makerfield
Manchester Road
George BEACH - 59 - Coalminer, born Forest of Dean
Abia BEACH - 57 - born ditto
George BEACH - 21 - born ditto
William BEACH - 17 - born ditto
Eliza BEACH - 15 - Cotton Weaver, born FOD
Mary MORRIS - Grand-daughter age 6 - born Lancs. Aspull
John STOTT - adopted orphan - unmarried - age 16, Colliery Labourer, born Lancs. Liverpool
John L WELLS - lodger, unmarried, age 19 shoemaker, born, Lancs. Standish
BEACH/ledbater
by BSEDDON , Thursday, February 17, 2011, 18:23 (5089 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Wow! So presumably the Beach family moved up North for work related reasons. This enabled James and Eliza to meet and for me to have a life... Many thanks for such a speedy and comprehensive reply
Brian
BEACH/ledbater
by BSEDDON , Saturday, February 19, 2011, 10:50 (5087 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Hi again m p
I have spent some time on the site trying to recreate the data that you so kindly provided. I believe that I have come across an anomaly relating to the parentage of Abia Ledbater who married George Beach in 1835. I would like to discuss this with someone. Would it be appropriate to raise it with yourself?
Regards Brian
BEACH/ledbater
by m p griffiths , Saturday, February 19, 2011, 11:01 (5087 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Just had a quick look at my CD
Abiah? LEADBEATER, 3 August 1817, James & Jemima - address: Little Dean, Woodside, East Dean at Drybrook
Grandchildren about to decend - will recheck later.
The FOD records have the christian name as illegible - but parents and place the same
BEACH/ledbater
by BSEDDON , Saturday, February 19, 2011, 11:08 (5087 days ago) @ m p griffiths
In short yes. I believe that this relates to Eliza and not Abia. I can't link Abia back to these parents. However, there is an illegible Baptism dated 3/8/1817 which could conceivably be Abia. Unfortunatly her marriage record does not quote parentage. Also, if the 1821 baptism was correct she would have only been 14 at her marriage.... Again this makes the 1817 baptism more likely provided that there is a link to James and Jemima elsewhere
thanks very much for your cooperation with this querry, Brian
BEACH/ledbater
by m p griffiths , Saturday, February 19, 2011, 13:27 (5087 days ago) @ BSEDDON
On previous census Abia(h) gives dob as 1815/16
Up to the Marriage Act 1929, girls could marry at 12 - and boys at 14 (with consent)
previous thread: re Marriage Act
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=29735
You could request for a close look at the baptism entry. The Gloucestershire Family CD - states Abiah?
Children of James & Jemima - all on FOD records (Jemima died 14 February 1848)
Timothy LEADBATOR - 1814 - Littledean Ind- died 10 June 1835, age 21, Littledean, Woodside
James - 1824
Frederick - 1826 - married Susan MEREDITH - 24 September 1845, Cinderford St John
Ephraim - 1828
Eliza - 1821
BEACH/ledbater
by BSEDDON , Friday, March 04, 2011, 09:58 (5074 days ago) @ m p griffiths
Hi again mp and slowhands
Since stumbling across this site last month I've become somewhat addicted!!!
I've found it both fascinating and frustrating in equal measure and have grown to appreciate the time and effort that you guys must put in.
I'm new to ancestry searches and so I've been trying to develop some tree forming skills taking, as an example, the Leadbeater family through the 1800's.
To recap why, my great grandmother Eliza Abia Seddon was born in Ince near Wigan and you kindly provided the links back to Abia Leadbeater and George Beach who moved North from the Forest of Dean in the 1860's.
Further, you have stated that Abia's parents were James Leadbeater and Jemima Morgan.
I haven't found any direct link from Abia to James and Jemima. However, 2 other independent(?)sources on the forum also make this claim.
On what basis I don't know, but it's unlikely to be baseless. For me, there's ample circumstacial evidence.So, I'll take this on trust. Unless you have access to some records that I don't know about??
Moving on.........
I've been trying to establish the relationship between the various Leadbeater family groups recorded as "breeding" during the early 1800's namely
James Leighbeter and Sarah Hick married 1793
James Ledbeter and Jemima Morgan married 1810
John Leadbeater and Margaret Gough married 1822
William Leadbeater and Jane Jackson married 1836
On the baptism side I have located the following children (and churches). The parents were "James and Sarah" in all cases.
1790 James Leighbeter Newnham
1793 John Leighbeter Littledean
1797 Mary Leighbeter Littledean
1801 Thomas Leighbeter Littledean
1802 Ann Ledbetter Littledean
1807 Sarah Leadbetter Flaxley
1809 WilliamLedbetter Littledean
I've no idea how complete the parish records would have been around this time, nor how populated these parishes were. Perhaps you could throw some light on this?
One interpretation is that these are all the children of James and Sarah Leighbeter
ie James is the patriarch of the whole Leadbeater Clan in the Forest early on
and that
James Leighbeter married Jemima Morgan
John Leighbeter married Margaret Gough
William Ledbetter married Jane Jackson
This would make James and Sarah my GGGG Grandparents! Do you think that this is likely or just my naive wishful thinking? I'd welcome any thoughts that you may have....
Abiah BEACH/ LEADBETER 1816 ish Littledean Woodside
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, March 04, 2011, 10:54 (5074 days ago) @ BSEDDON
Brian
This would be my "provisional" branch :-
Year: 1790
Month: Sep
Day: 7
Parents_Surname: LEIGHBETER [dies 1837 aged 47 ?]
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: [not stated]
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P228 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Newnham
Parents marry after his birth ?
Year: 1793
Month: May
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: LEADBEATER
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: living on land adjoining to this Parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: STEEL
Brides_Surname: HICKS
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: living on land adjoining to this Parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: no register found
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Richard Terrett
Witness_2: Mark of Catherine Burris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Harding
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor
Year: 1810
Month: Oct
Day: 25
Grooms_Surname: LEDBETER
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Extraparochial place
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: MORGAN
Brides_Forenames: Jemima
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: extraparochial place
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: 1810 Oct 7 14 & 21
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: A Cooper
Witness_2: William Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H Jones Offic[iatin]g Min[iste]r
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Littledean
Year: 1817
Month: Aug
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: LEADBEATER
Child_Forenames: illegible [believed to be Abiah]
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Jemima
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Little Dean Woodside
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: H. Berkin
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: forename illegible
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Ledbetter Littledean
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=1159
Year: 1835
Month: Aug
Day: 2
Grooms_Surname: BEACH
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: LEDBATER
Brides_Forenames: Abia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of William Toes
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Toes
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 13
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
<wife of James born 1770's ?>
Year: 1847
Month: May
Day: 1
Surname: LEADBETTER
Forenames: Sarah
Residence: Westbury upon Severn
Age_at_death: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Henry M Willis
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P110 IN 1/12
Page_No: 9
Parish_Chapel: Littledean
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