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Hello everyone,
I wonder if anyone knows of any ophanages that were in the Coleford area around the years 1891 to 1905. If so is there any way that I can get the records to try and find one of the boys under their care.
Many thanks for a wonderful site.
Valerie.

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I'm not aware of an Orphanage as such.

I'm start looking in the local Workhouse - at that time in Monmouth

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Monmouth/Monmouth.shtml

If you have a name / birth details we can look...

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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Many thanks Slowhands...like you my own father was very proud of his Forest of Dean roots.
The person I am trying to find out about is ..JOHN SHAW b. 1891..Father also John Shaw.. (on his wedding cert.)..that is all I know.
I would appreciate any info. that you could find out.
Best wishes Valerie

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Year: 1922
Month: May
Day: 6
Surname: SHAW
Forenames: Della Louisa Jane
Residence:
Age_at_death: 5
Officiating_Minister: E H Brice
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) [not stated] (3) b 28 (4) Consecrated (5) Daughter of John William and Jane Shaw {WINIFRED?}
Notes: Forename confirmed Death Register vol 11a page 26 Monmouth
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 35
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

Some children
1915 SHAW Sidney John Thomas Newland Street Collier Coleford
1916 SHAW Della Louisa Joan Newland Street Collier Coleford
1918 SHAW Victor Alfred Staunton Road Collier Coleford
1920 SHAW Violet Pearl Staunton Road Collier Coleford

Year: 1914
Month: Dec
Day: 6
Grooms_Surname: SHAW
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Newland Street Coleford
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Shaw (deceased)
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]

Brides_Surname: BROWN
Brides_Forenames: Winifred
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: Domestic Service
Brides_Residence: Newland Street Coleford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Brown
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Emily Hudson
Witness_2: Alfred Brown
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Edward H Brice
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 61
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1911 The Gorse Coleford (Sparrow Hill towards Berry Hill)
WILCE, ALBERT HEAD MARRIED M 49 INSURANCE AGENT BLAKENEY GLOS
WILCE, AGNES WIFE MARRIED 5 F 41 COLEFORD GLOS
WILCE, ANNIE E DAUGHTER SINGLE F 23 DOMESTIC SERVANT YORKLEY GLOS
WILCE, SYDNEY SON M 14 APPRENTICE BAKING YORKLEY GLOS
WILCE, CHRISSIE DAUGHTER F 4 COLEFORD GLOS
WILCE, JOHN W SON M 2 COLEFORD GLOS
VINCENT, CLARA SISTER WIDOW F 37 COLEFORD GLOS
SHAW, JOHN BOARDER SINGLE M 19 RAILWAY PORTER SOUTH AMERICA

Address THE GORSE COLEFORD GLOUCESTERSHIRE County Monmouthshire
District Monmouth Subdistrict Coleford
Enumeration District 3 Parish Coleford

Name:Winifred Brown
Age in 1911:18
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1893
Relation to Head:Servant
Gender:Female
Birth Place:Coleford, Gloucestershire
Civil Parish:Cheltenham
County/Island:Gloucestershire
Country:England
Street Address:The William, St Marks, Cheltenham
Marital Status:Single
Registration District:Cheltenham

1901
John Brown abt 1864 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire
Louisa Brown abt 1867 Northleach, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford, Gloucestershire
John Geo Brown abt 1887 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Phoebe Kall Brown abt 1888 Milkwall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
Alfred Brown abt 1890 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Lily Brown abt 1892 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
William Brown abt 1893 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Winfield Brown abt 1895 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
Sidney Brown abt 1896 Newland Parish, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire
Delia M L Brown abt 1898 Newland Parish, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
Dorothy Brown abt 1900 Newland Parish, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford, Gloucestershire
Albert D Brown abt 1901 Newland Parish, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford, Gloucestershire

possible connection to :-

SHAW, JOHN HEAD MARRIED 3 M 32 PLASTERER MONMOUTH MONMOUTH
SHAW, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 3 F 33 COLEFORD GLOUCESTER
SHAW, JOHN SON M 4 MONMOUTH MONMOUTH
Address SWIFTS BUILDINGS MONMOUTH County Monmouthshire
District Monmouth Subdistrict Monmouth
Enumeration District 4 Parish Monmouth

1901
John Shaw abt 1854 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire Malster
Eliza Shaw abt 1854 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
John Shaw abt 1880 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Henry Shaw abt 1887 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Mahel Shaw abt 1890 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Alice Jacobs abt 1900 South Horney, London, England Granddaughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1891
John Shaw abt 1854 Monmouthshire, Wales Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Eliza Shaw abt 1856 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
William Shaw abt 1878 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Jno Shaw abt 1880 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Annie Shaw abt 1881 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Florence Shaw abt 1886 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Henry Shaw abt 1887 Monmouthshire, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Mable Shaw abt 1884 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire

nearby
Samuel Shaw abt 1816 [ROSS] Herefordshire, England Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire

1881
John Shaw abt 1853 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Head Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Eliza Shaw abt 1856 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Wife Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Alice Shaw abt 1876 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire
William Shaw abt 1877 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
John Shaw abt 1878 Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Son Monmouth, Monmouthshire
Ann Shaw Monmouth, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Monmouth, Monmouthshire

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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This may be a reason why he was in the area...

1901 Sparrow Hill
Alfred Heath abt 1827 St James Westminster, London, England Head Coleford, Gloucestershire Builder
Rachael Heath abt 1837 Hawkesbury; Upton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford, Gloucestershire
Jane Shaw abt 1817 Hawkesbury; Upton, Gloucestershire, England Visitor [wifes mother] Coleford, Gloucestershire

1891
Alfred Heath abt 1829 Westminster, St James Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Rachael Heath abt 1837 Hawkesbury Upher, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire

1881
Alfred Heath abt 1827 Westminster Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Rachel Heath abt 1835 Hawkesbury Upton, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1873
Month: Jul
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: HEATH
Grooms_Forenames: Alfred
Grooms_Age: Of full age
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Carpenter/Builder
Grooms_Residence: Clearwell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Heath
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor
Brides_Surname: CARTER
Brides_Forenames: Rachel
Brides_Age: Of full age
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: Servant
Brides_Residence: Staunton
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Carter
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: John
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Servant
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Francis Thornbury
Witness_2: Ann Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Clifford Officiating Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P310 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 37
Parish_Chapel: Staunton

1871
Alfred Heath 44 Westminster master Carpenter
Caroline Heath 43 wife Newland
Harriet Kirby 16 Servant Birmingham

1861
Ellen Hill abt 1796 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Alfred Heath abt 1829 St James West Mithen, London, England Son-in-law West Dean, Gloucestershire
Caroline Heath abt 1828 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1855
Month: May
Day: 12
Grooms_Surname: HEATH
Grooms_Forenames: Alfred
Grooms_Age: 29
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Carpenter
Grooms_Residence: Ellwood
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Heath
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Tailor
Brides_Surname: HILL
Brides_Forenames: Caroline
Brides_Age: 27
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ellwood
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Hill
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Stone Cutter
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: Jno Heath
Witness_2: Sarah Heath
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 172
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

<><><><> I suspect this is Rachel CARTER

1871 Hawkesbury
William Carton 45
Rachel Carton 36
Frank Roams 21
Emma Roams 26

1861
William Carter abt 1828 Woodchester, Gloucestershire, England Head Alderley, Gloucestershire
Rachel Carter abt 1835 Hawkesbury, Gloucestershire, England Wife Alderley, Gloucestershire

Name: Rachel Carter
Name: William Carter
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chipping Sodbury
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 297

1851
Rachel Carter abt 1835 Ilsley[Hillesley], Gloucestershire, England Servant Stroud, Gloucestershire

RACHEL CARTER
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 FEB 1835 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN CARTER
Mother: ELIZABETH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth
or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C036121 1813 - 1866 0856930 Film 6911872 Film
Sheet: 00

possible

JOHN CARTER
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH BARNARD
Marriage: 24 FEB 1831 Horsley, Gloucester, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M018101 1733 - 1754 0425442, 0019528 Film 6911586 Film
M018101 1754 - 1881 0091529 Film NONE
Sheet: 00

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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Hello everyone,

I have just received my Grandfather's discharge papers from the Merchant Navy 1908 (aged 15) and it states that his address was 5 Gloucester Road, Coleford. I was wondering if any kind person would be able to look at the 1911 census to see if he went back to Coleford at that time.

My Grandfather's name was John/Jack Shaw b. 1891 in London.
His guardian was Laura Robinson of 5 Gloucester Road, Coleford.

In 1914 he married and was a miner in Coleford.

Many thanks in anticipation.
Kind regards Valerie

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I have looked on the 1911 census and the only John Shaw I can find that may fit is as follows:-
John Shaw age 18 single Railway Porter
born South America British subject by parentage
living at The Gorse, Coleford, Glos with Albert Wilce and family.

When looking up Coleford on the 1911 census it comes under Monmouthshire not Gloucestershire.
Hope this is of some help.

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Hello everyone,

I have just received my Grandfather's discharge papers from the Merchant Navy 1908 (aged 15) and it states that his address was 5 Gloucester Road, Coleford. I was wondering if any kind person would be able to look at the 1911 census to see if he went back to Coleford at that time.

My Grandfather's name was John/Jack Shaw b. 1891 in London.
His guardian was Laura Robinson of 5 Gloucester Road, Coleford.

In 1914 he married and was a miner in Coleford.

Many thanks in anticipation.
Kind regards Valerie

I can't see anything to improve my previous response (yet)

These appear to me the heads of household along Gloucester Road, Coleford in 1911

Nella Adams abt 1873 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Arthur Cooksley Richard Baker abt 1865 Acton Turville, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Herbert George Dickinson abt 1882 Coleford, Gloucester, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Sarah Jane Gwilliam abt 1841 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Percival James Ernest Gwilliam abt 1875 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Caleb Gwilliam abt 1878 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Hubert Gwilliam abt 1881 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Tom Hale abt 1856 Lane End, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Frederick Jones abt 1861 Glasgow, Lanark Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Percy A Jones abt 1871 Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Albert John Jones abt 1879 Ross, Herefordshire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Alfred Jones abt 1887 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Archie Mark Matthews abt 1878 Clearwell, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Sydney T Powell abt 1879 Coleford, Gloucester, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

George Preedy abt 1872 Boss, Herefordshire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

James Roberts abt 1857 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

George Smith abt 1838 Bullo, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

Sydney William Smith abt 1877 Coleford Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

William Thomas abt 1848 Scowles Goleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

James Thomas Williams abt 1861 Blakeney, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford, Monmouthshire

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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Looking at John SHAW's (age 23) marriage 6 December 1914 - at Coleford (residence, Newland Street, Coleford) - one witness was Emily HUDSON.

A Emily HUDSON - Servant age 19 - born Gloucestershire, is living at 10 Gloucester Road, Coleford on the 1911 census - working for Percy A JONES and his family.

The John SHAW on the 1911 census - single age 19 - born South America, British Parentage - and lodging with Albert WILCE, wife Agnes (who had been married 5 years).

Gloucestershirebdm

Albert WILCE married Agnes Emily BARNARD/ROBBINS - Forest of Dean, Monmouth, Register Office - 1906.

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1911 Census

Albert WILCE - 49 - married 5 years - Insurance Agent, born Blakeney, Glos
Agnes - 41 - married 5 years - 2 children born alive, 2 living - born Coleford
Annie W WILCE - 23, single - born Yorkley, Glos
Sidney WILCE - 14 - born Yorkley
Christine WILCE - 4 - born Coleford
John W WILVE - 2 - born Coleford
Clara VINCENT, sister - 37 - Widow - born Coleford
John SHAW - Boarder - 19 - single, Railway porter, born South America, British Parentage.

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Out of curiosity I searched for John Shaw's earlier years in "South America" via LDS / Family Search website.

The site gives many Shaws, some born England, within the 1895 Argentina Census.

Could this be John ?, apparently born in the City(Ciudad) and Capital of Buenos Aires, the major port on the Atlantic coast famous for beef export.

"Argentina, National Census, 1895"
Name: Juan Shaw
Event Place: Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina
Age (Formatted in Original Language): 2 años
Birth Year (Estimated): 1893
Birth Province: Capital Federal
Birth Nation: Argentina
Gender (Original Language): Varón
Marital Status (Original Language):
GS Film number: 608435
Digital Folder Number: 004149084

To my pleasant surprise the original census image can be viewed f-o-c.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MWWZ-3G3

Listed next to Juan, so presumably his family?, are

Adelaida R. Shaw, birth: 1871 England
Tomas Shaw, birth: 1894 Buenos Aires, Argentina

In total sixty-six Shaws are listed in the Argentina Census of 1895; hopefully this link will show them all but note those at "Partido Azul, Buenos Aires, Argentina" are in fact in the city of Azul about 180 miles southwest of B.A. City itself, albeit still within B.A. Province - Argentina is an immense country, the capital BA being towards the northern end and on the border with Uruguay.)
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=75&query=%2Bsurname%3Ashaw~%20...

There are five more Johns listed, as follows:

Could this be his father John Senior as per the marriage record) ?

Juan Shaw birth: 1845 England
Departamento Rosario, Santa Fe, Argentina
(so also abt 180 miles from BA, to the north west.
From Wiki, "By 1880, Rosario had become the first export outlet of Argentina. By 1887 it had about 50,000 inhabitants, of which 40% were immigrants who brought new ideas from Europe...")

Also:
Juan Shaw birth: 1858 Capital Federal, Argentina
Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina

Juan Shaw birth: 1819 Great Britain
Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina

Juan Shaw birth: 1844 Buenos Aires, Argentina
Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina

Juan S. Shaw birth: 1875 Buenos Aires, Argentina
Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina

???

I would be very interested to know if I'm on the right track, I'm sure there were Shaws in other South American countries too.

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John SHAW's guardian was Laura ROBINSON.

It may be coincidence - but on the census link - above Adelaide SHAW is Emilia ROBINSON - M - 45 - A que Nacion Porteneco - - Inglesa (?) (and Adelaide has id in the same column, status: Casada - married

Name: Emilia ROBINSON

Event Place: Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina

Age: 45 anos

Birth Year: 1850

Birth Nation: Inglaterra

Gender : Mujer

Marital Status: Viuda (Widow)

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Other ROBINSON's in the same area....

Do the other Headings - gives dates i.e. how long they have been in the Country?

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Hi M, hope you enjoyed a good holiday.

Well spotted re the Robinson "link", not sure whether the lines & numbers 20,21 etc too left show she's in the same household, perhaps ?

Re the other headings, I guess you mean those numbers to the far right, shame the headings are hard to read (not that I speak Spanish!).

This scan of another probably unrelated Robinson on another Census form shows the headings (but not entries!) very clearly, I'll try and decipher them if I can find my son's old Eng/Spanish Dictionary.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12347-93413-97.jpg?cc=1410078&wc=11764757

PS Thankfully no need for the dictionary, having just found this usefull site it appears those far right numbers may mean "How many children an individual had (for women) and how many years a couple had been married", altho that would mean Emilia aged 45 had born 12 children, so ?
http://hispanicgenealogy.blogspot.mx/2007/11/1895-argentina-census-now-online.html

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Hi

You could also try the George Muller orphanage at Bristol, which is where my Forest family were sent about 1911. They will advise if the child was resident and then provide you with a copy of their records for a fee.

http://www.mullers.org/cm/

Good Luck

Simone x

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Many thanks Simone...I will give that a try.
Best wishes Valerie.x

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Is there a DAVIS family connection, here?

1846, George SHAW, grocer, marries Ann DAVIS
1854 James WILCE marries Emma SCRIVENS
1864 birth of Albert James WILCE to James and Emma
1884 marriage of ALBERT WILCE to Susan DAVIS . . .

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