Frederick NELMES 1834 Lydney (General)

by jimashton , Saturday, April 03, 2010, 13:18 (5349 days ago) @ slowhands

Hi Slowhands

As is often the case I have the subject of a posting in my tree as a "connection" rather than relative. In this case Frederick Nelmes 1833 & Caroline Pretherton's daughter Minnie Nelmes married George Richard Elsmore. George Richard Elsmore and Minnie nee Nelmes travelled to New Zealand in 1924 on the SS Tainui to Auckland with six of their seven children, one of the children later when on to be Sir Lloyd ELSMORE. whose son became Sir Lloyd Elsmore KBch, OBE, JP. Mayor of Manukau city from 1968-1983.

As these are "connected" not related I only have them in my tree as George Richard Elsmore's sister Elizabeth Annie Elsmore 1873 married a 3rd cousin twice removed Albert Treherne 1873.

I have a query for you however, regarding your posted 1841 census information for Frederick Nelmes, including his father Richard 1791. This does not accord with the marriage detail for Frederick, where his father is shown as Alfred :

Year: 1854
Month: Mar
Day: 19
Grooms_Surname: NELMES
Grooms_Forenames: Frederick
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Newherne
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: NELMES
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: PETHERAIN
Brides_Forenames: Caroline
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Newherne
Brides_Fathers_Surname: PETHERAIN
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Charles
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: The mark of Richard Davis
Witness_2: The mark of Caroline Davis
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 111
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: N452
Soundex_Bride: P365

Can you through any light on this please.

Jim Ashton