Sidney SMITH 1898 - 1916 R I P (WW1 Somme)

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Ann Grindle letter to George Grindle in the US (WW1)
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=24424#p24719

Name: SMITH, SIDNEY
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Welsh Regiment
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 07/07/1916
Service No: 1516
Additional information: Son of James and Bertha Smith, of 140, Alma St., Abertillery, Mon.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 7 A and 10 A.
Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

Ann MASON / GRINDLE's daughter Bertha was born 1874
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=804

1891
William Grindle abt 1831 Collafied, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Grindle abt 1830 Collafied, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Grindle abt 1868 Collafied, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Birtha Grindle abt 1874 Collafied, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

probable marriage
Name: Bertha Grindell
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 488

Name: James Smith
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 48_

confirmed (at last 11/2/2012)
SMITH James
GRINDELL Bertha
Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office
1893 10 46

Name: Sydney Smith ??
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 245

then Bertha with son Sidney

1901
Hertha Smith abt 1871 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert Smith abt 1894 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Miriam Smith abt 1895 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sidney Smith abt 1898 Cindeford, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1900 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire

1911
1911 140 Alma St Abertillery Mon
James Smith Head abt 1871 40 Male Married Coal Miner Hewer Hereford Ross
Bertha Smith Wife abt 1874 37 Female Married Gloucester East Dene
Sidney Smith Son abt 1898 13 Male Coal Miner's Helper Gloucester East Dene
Wm James Smith Son abt 1901 10 Male School Gloucester East Dene
Hubert George Smith Son abt 1903 8 Male School Gloucester East Dene
Iron Smith nSon abt 1906 5 Male School Abertillery Monmouthshire Wales
Bertha Smith Daughter abt 1908 3 Female Abertillery Monmouthshire Wales
Alfred Smith Son abt 1910 1 Male Abertillery Monmouthshire Wales
John Davies Boarder abt 1891 2 Male Mochanie Colliery Yorkshire England
John Charles Crisp Boarder abt 1893 18 Male Coal Miner Hewer Firbank Monmouthshire Wales

Name: Violet M Smith
Mother's Maiden Name: Grindle
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1912
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 184

Name: Ida M Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Grindle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 113

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Name: Bertha Smith
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1958
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Staincross
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2d
Page: 550

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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Hello Tracy

I am the grandaughter of Bertha and knew her until I was six years old I was the youngest Grandchild so by the time I was born I already had more cousins than I can count I would like to find out more about my Grandfather if you have any information.
I know live in Arizona Do you want any information about my uncles and aunts Berthas children? My dad was born 1915 and my aunt Ida was given the name Metze the place where her brother was killed. To see aletter written by my Great grandmother is beyond words

Barbara Parker

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Hello Barbara,

I read your post this morning.

I also descend from Bertha's brother, George Hubert Grindle. Tracy and I are cousins. And I guess we are, too!

I'd love to compare notes with you on the Smith family. I did some work on the family a year or so ago, but only what I've been able to find on this wonderful site.

Look forward to hearing from you.

--
Scott Shuster
Houston, Texas USA

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Name: Ida M Smith
Mother's Maiden Surname: Grindle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Registration district: Bedwellty
Inferred County: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 113

Name: Ida M Smith
Spouse : Eli Clegg
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1934
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 663

Name: Bertha Mametza Clegg
Mother's Maiden Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1934
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 272

Name: Bertha M Clegg
Spouse: Melvin Heald
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1953
Registration district: Staincross
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume Number: 2d
Page Number: 736

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Name: Ida Mametza Clegg
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1917
Date of Registration: Nov 1994
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Barnsley
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Register number: B17B
District and Subdistrict: 0411B
Entry number: 158

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Ἀριστοτέλης A Gloster & Hereford Boy in the Forest of Dean ><((((*>

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What a fitting tribute to a lost soldier, to adapt the name of the place he fell into a christian name :-

Name: SMITH, SIDNEY
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Welsh Regiment
Unit Text: 9th Bn.
Age: 18
Date of Death: 07/07/1916

http://www.ww1battlefields.co.uk/somme/mametz.html

Mametz Wood was the objective of the 38th (Welsh) Division during the First Battle of the Somme. The attack occurred in a Northerly direction over a ridge, focussed on the German positions in the wood between 7 July and 12 July 1916. The attack of the 7 July failed to reach the wood before the men were halted by machine gun fire. Further attacks by the 17th Division on 8 July failed to improve the position.

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Yes Slowhands,
as you say a fitting tribute. Only last month within my family researches I found the girl's name Dardanella, seemed rather a mouthfull !. My family were baffled by this until I reminded them of the infamous Gallipoli Campaign, this was in the Dardanelles Strait in the Turkish Balkans. I've only found this one example in the FoD Records, but judging by FreeBMD this name was quite widely used for girl's born between early 1915 until mid 1917. This coincides entirely with Gallipoli and I've no doubt the names are in honour of the many Allied soldiers & sailors who suffered & died there.
Many of these Births are registered in Monmouthshire, the South Wales Borderers were part of the ill-fated landings, I suspect this was John James's Regiment. Also prominent within these Births were NorthEast British areas such as Tyne & Tees, again this is reflected in several Scots Border regiments serving in this Campaign.

Record_ID: 349566
Entry_Number: 24
Year: 1917
Month: Jul
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: JAMES
Child_Forenames: Irene Dardanella
Fathers_Forenames: John William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Clearwell
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: W Robinson
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: b 11 Oct 1916
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell
Soundex: J520

Thankfully in this instance it appears from the local PRs that John survived this and the next World War, I hope and suspect Dardanella did as well.

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Sep 1944 (>99%)
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DAVIES Ellen Holland Abergavenny 11a 77
HOLLAND William D Davies Abergavenny 11a 77
JAMES Dardenella C Morgan Abergavenny 11a 77
MORGAN Brynmor T James Abergavenny 11a 77

Description Medal card of James, John William
Corps Regiment No Rank
South Wales Borderers 59142 Private
Date 1914-1920
Catalogue reference WO 372/10
Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies
Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=3243198&a...

As per your original post, rather unusual if not unique names but a delightful and fitting tribute to the heroes whose names they were helping perpetuate.

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Hi,

I know it has been a few years since anybody replied to this thread :)

My names Abigail Blades, i am the granddaughter of Bertha Heald, i have been trying to put together a family tree for some time now and just wanted to say hi to everyone who knew my Nan and great Nan.

Ive seen some post are not from UK. Does anybody have any information they may possibly be able to help me with regarding the war. i would love to know some history about it all.

I have 3 children of my own 2 daughters and a son, im still currently living in barnsley however grew up in Huddersfield.

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