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Stephen Hawkins my cousin and I are trying to find the parentage of Thomas Hawkins born about 1855 supposedly in Lydbrook. I have a sneaky feeling he was the son of Amey Hawkins a single lady and the daughter of Henry Hawkins and Amey nee Roberts. Amy was a lodger on the 1861 census and after her name was Thomas and Frank. I suspect they were both her children. Frank was Christened but Thomas was not and neither was his birth registered. He didn't marry any of his "Wives" Mary Late Lloy and formerly Tanner, and Clara late Jones formerly Ferber. Can anyone put us out of our mysery? Many Thanks

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Just to refresh the various exchanges on this .

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=26750

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=26571

1871 The Boarts
Amey Awkins 60 head
Emma Awkins 31 dau
William Awkins 6 Grd son
Elizabeth Awkins 20 Dau
Annie Awkins 2 Grd Dau
Enoch John Awkins 17 nephew
Thomas Awkins 17 nephew
Francis Awkins 13 nephew

as I suggested earlier a birth cert for Thomas Hawkins could help this mystery.

he may be registered under another surname.

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Thank you for your reply. I know that Frank was Amey's son though because his christening is in the parish registers. Amey died in 1864 and she was still single, her burial is also in the parish registers of Lydbrook. It really is a mystery and something I have been chasing for about 30 years!!

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I am afraid I can't help with Thomas Hawkins' parents but I was wondering who he married ? Hannah Reed (b. 1858) had a child by a Thomas Hawkins in January 1881. As far as I am aware they were not married at this time as in the 1881 Census, Hannah is shown living with her two month old child (Gertrude) with her mother in Newham Bottom. According to the Parish Registers on FoD, Gertrude HOCKINGS and her brother Harry Tucker Hockings were baptised at Knights Hill (a short distance from Newham Bottom) in November 1882. Their parents are described as Thomas and Hannah. I have little doubt that Hockings is supposed to be Hawkins but have had difficulty in finding a marriage record, if indeed they were married?!

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Hi Mat

Well in 1881 (on the census) Thomas was living in Wales with Mary, his common law wife to be and her husband Henry Lloyd. Thomas was recorded as Thomas Hopkins as the time Lodger, but I am pretty sure he is my Thomas as his age is right and he came from Lydbrook. 10 years later Thomas is living with Mary as husband and wife in Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire with 3 children with the surname Hawkins although I actually think the 2 oldest were Henry's children and also one child that Mary had illegitimately.

Maybe Thomas is the father of Gertrude, you never know!!

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On the following Census page to Hannah mother Jane and 2 month old Gertrude Read/Reed is :-

1881 Aston Bridge
Thomas Hawkins abt 1858 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Visitor Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire Miner

possibly a more likely candidate :-)

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Name: Gertrude Reed
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 243

1881 nr Aston Bridge
Hannah Read abt 1858 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Girtrude Read [2 months] East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1882
Month: Nov
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: HOCKINGS
Child_Forenames: Gertrude
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Henry Ellis
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Chapel Knights Hill
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/5
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit

<><> who is Harry ?

Year: 1882
Month: Nov
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: HOCKINGS
Child_Forenames: Harry Tucker
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: Henry Ellis
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Chapel Knights Hill
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598 5/5
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Forest of Dean Bible Christian Circuit
Soundex: H252

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Yes I am pretty sure he is not my Thomas.

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Dear Matt,
A couple of things really. Firstly, there were a lot of Thomas Hawkins about at the time, so it will be difficult to pin down the right one. As my Cousin Wendy (Dorset Dumpling) says, it could well be "our" Thomas, though at around the time he could have been elsewhere.
An examination of the life of "our" Thomas suggests that he only wore his trousers when going out. He most certainly has a track record for abandoning his kids, having abandoned one family in Wigan, and then another in Treherbert. Could he have abandoned Gertrude? I have no doubt that he was capable of doing so.
It's a tricky one for you, Matt. Good luck with it, and keep us posted.
Best Regards
Stephen Hawkins.

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Hi Stephen,
You will probably have seen that Slowhands has identified a Thomas Hawkins staying virtually next door to Hannah Reed at the time of the 1881 Census. (Thank you Slowhands for this info!). I think it most likely that this is 'my' Thomas Hawkins. Two things intrigue me; one is where did he come from (he is described as a 'visitor' on the Census and the other is that, on Gertrude's birth certificate, the name of Thomas Hawkins has been carefully ruled through by the Registrar (Edward Teague). I wonder why ? Another interesting thing about this couple is that not long after Gertrude came along they had a son whose names were Harry Tucker Hawkins. I wonder if his middle name name has some sort of significance ?
Matt

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Hi Matt,
Literacy standards were very poor back in the days of my Great Grandad, and record keeping was extremely perfunctory. I don't suppose they could ever have imagined that we would be hunched over our computers trying to make sense of it all.
The Hawkins Family used the same names with every generation, for years. They were all John, Richard, William, Henry, James, or Thomas. It's very confusing.
I wish you the very best of luck, and hope that you keep posting on this site. I am more than willing to collaborate with any Hawkins researcher.
Best Regards
Stephen Hawkins.

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Hi Mat

If Thomas never got around to tying the knot with Hannah I believe he would have to be there when the birth was registered, just like today, maybe that is why his name was ruled through.

My Grandfather on my mothers side was illegitimate and had 3 Christian names, 2 sounding very much like surnames, one of which was Dobel, on the 1891 census just around the corner from where my Great Grandmother lived was a family with the surname Dobel!! Also sometimes when you see a surname as a Christian name it is the mother or either grandmothers maiden name. Hope that helps

Wendy (Dorset Dumpling)

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I have encountered an Am(e)y Roberts in my research.
She was born as Amey in 1805 to Richard and Rachel (Record id 424628).
I believe she gave birth to James Roberts in 1827 as Amy (Record id 325105),and perhaps to Charlotte Roberts in 1829 as Amy(Record id 155032).
She was married as Amy to William Hawkins in 1831 (Record id 36335).
She gave birth to Emily in 1834 as Aimy (Record id 134043).
She is recorded in the 1841 census as Emely with chidren Emma, John ,William and James Roberts in SEWDLEY GREEN.
She gave birth to Richard in 1843 as Amy (Record id 226085).
She is recorded in the 1851 census as Emly with William chidren Emily, John ,William, Richard, David and George.
She is recorded in the 1861 census as Emily with William chidren John, David and George.
She is recorded in the 1871 census as Anny (the original record looks more like Ammey} with son Johnand his family.
She is buried in 1872 (Record id 54856) and may she rest in peace after such a busy life!!!
Is this the same person you are referring to and if so where have I gone wrong?

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Hi Melvyn - James Roberts is my great great great grandfather. I have some of the information that you have posted but can't substantiate it. Are you the son of Penryn Roberts and first cousin to my mother Audrey?
Thanks and Regards,
Pamela

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Thanks for the message I have sent you an email

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James Roberts born to Amy Eamy ,is my great great granfather,I am the grandaughter of Ida Elexa Roberts,b 1890,s her father ,James,son of James and Martha,nee Webb, has anyone found out anything about Amy,s parents Richard and Racheal
Lynda

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Lyn, pls see your other thread.

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James Roberts 1827 – 1895 son of Amey/Emely Roberts 1805 – 1872, is also my great*2 grandfather,I am the grandson of Milson Roberts 1878, son of Samuel Roberts
1856 and Martha Workman 1857, son of James Roberts 1827 – 1895 and Martha Webb
1825 – 1907.

The mother of Amey ROBERTS 1806 is Rachel in the Littledean parish records.

The roberts, goode, and broadhurst-lockhart ancestry trees give her surname as Rachel WHEATLEY. I don't think this is likely as their marriage took place in Cornwall.

I think it could be Rachel MARSHALL 1766 – 1842 the wife of John 1797. I think her father Richard was a bit of a lad as he was married to Deborah at the time!!!

Amey is recorded in the 1841 census living close to a John and Rachel ROBERTS in Soudley Green.

If you look at Amey's transcipt you will see that her father's name is Richard. If you look in the Forest of Dean parish records you will find that there many possibilities for her father. I feel that Richard 1778 in Blakeney Chapel (Awre parish) is the best choice for the following reasons.

Her birth was registered in Littledean and a Richard is also recorded as being the father of two other chidren, William 1803 and Richard 1813 with mother Deborah.
A Richard married Deborah COOK (otp of this parish) in 1802 in Westbury.
A Richard was born in 1778 in Blakeney Chapel (Awre parish) father Anthoney mother Hesther.

I have more information on my Roberts family tree on ancestry.co.uk.
Are you lynuk54 on ancestry.co.uk?

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