Albert Smith (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie Goode 1888 (General)
by Lawrencef 
, Trentham, Australia, Sunday, September 05, 2010, 15:45 (5198 days ago)
Unhappily everything I thought I knew about Albert Smith with the exception of his marriage to Rhoda Minnie Goode in 1888, the birth of their daughter Olive Elizabeth Smith in 1888 and his death in Runcorn Cheshire in 1891 are now proving to be incorrect.
I'm at a bit of a loss as to where to begin again:
I'm pretty sure that this belongs to another Albert Smith
Record_ID: 42755
Entry_Number: 270
Year: 1868
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Albert
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Son of]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex: S530
and the only things I now know for sure are his fathers name as shown on his marriage cert:
Year: 1888
Month: Jul
Day: 18 (could be a 10? in the original)
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Albert
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: GOODE
Brides_Forenames: Rhoda Minnie
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Thomas Powell
Witness_2: Elizabeth Smith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: G.E.Gilbanks
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 65
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
This would mean that Elizabeth Page Hughes is not his mother, nor is he related to Eliza Jennings more than likely.
Any thoughts on all this would be most welcome and I'll happily flick over a gedcom file with the details of what I thought and what I can now verify if anyone has the time or interest to look it over.
Regards
Lawrence
Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, September 06, 2010, 07:29 (5198 days ago) @ Lawrencef
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20472
How much has been "shaken" in the last 12 months ?
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Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 06, 2010, 08:45 (5198 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi
I thought that everything to do with Alberts parents was gone but then I remembered that in my Great Grandmaothers funeral notice which she wrote (she had slow acting overian cancer) she lists her parents as:
James Smith, Elizabeth Hughes (who were in fact her grandparents). It also places her birth at Ruffell (actually Ruffet) Little Dean Glos Eng.
What shook me is that I've been contacted by a very nice person in NZ who thought that we might be related. As it turns out one of us, both of us or neither of are wrong but our research doesn't marry.
Where it does take me is to the birh of Albert whom I (in spite of now posessing 3 birth certificates for him which are all wrong) have never reconciled into the family of James and Elizabeth properly;
The 1871 and 1881 census's I was working from may refer to another family:
1871 census
James Smith 39
Elizabeth Smith 44
Thomas Smith 17
James Smith 15
Alice Smith 13
John Smith 11
Sarah Ann Smith 9
Elizabeth Smith 7
Enock Smith 5
Abbert Smith 3 (I'd say this is Albert with a trasncription error)
1881 census
Name: Albert Smith
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Mitcheldean
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Townend Street
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: ((Iron Miner)) Scholar
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Smith 49
Elizabeth Smith 53
Albert Smith 13
Sydney Smith 9
She seems to have had Sydney and Albert quite late but there is a consistent spacing in the ages.
The research sent to me is following James and Elizabeth Smith (nee Mills, born in Stroud. I suspect that perhaps I have a cross over into their lives or my friend in NZ has a cross over into the lives of my Smiths (its at this point I despair the common names). "This particular James Smith was an iron miner born in Mitcheldean in 1831, son of Matthew Smith, born in High Wycombe in 1806".
Claire has also written this which really threw me as this is the cross over of our research:
"My line starts with Matthew (b.1805 in Buckinghamshire, son of Richard Smith, papermaker) and Eliza (nee Barnard) Smith - lived at Abenhall (v. close to Mitcheldean) Son James Smith b. 1831 Mitcheldean (10 siblings) Married Elizabeth Mills from Stroud in 1828.
Children:
Thomas, James, Alice, John, Sarah, Elizabeth, Enoch, Albert (b. 1866), Sydney (all appear in census records)
The family lived in Townsend St Mitcheldean.
The men were mostly iron miners.
I have a record from the church register from Mitcheldean (on FOD website) that has Albert marrying Rhoda Minnie Goode on July 18 1888, father of groom James Smith miner, and an Elizabeth Smith as witness."
What it means is that we are in trouble with our research and your keen mind and insight would be very welcome (gripped by despair as I am of the thought that all these years work are wrong :-).
Writing it out has helped a little though as the clincher is that the funeral notice of my great Grandmother lists James and Elizabeth. I'd better scan that and send it to claire to see what she makes of it.
Kind regards
Lawrence
Albert SMITH (b 1868 approx) Mitcheldean area
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, September 06, 2010, 22:45 (5197 days ago) @ Lawrencef
Lawrence
I hope to have some time tomorrow to revisit this "puzzle"
, son of Matthew Smith, born in High Wycombe in 1806 does seem to fit with my earlier suggestion.
Year: 1868
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Albert
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Son of]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Well the only possible mis-fit is the marriage record below, or rather the brides surname and HUGHES would be a possible for a transcription error. Not sure wheer Elizabeth MILLS comes into this unless the first Elizabeth dies and he re-marries Elizabeth MILLS between 1861 and 1871 ( when the Stroud birth place appears) ??
Year: 1856
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Saddler
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: BUDGE
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Smith
Witness_2: Hester Smith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E Machen
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
regards
S
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Matthew SMITH 1805-1881 High Wycombe -> Mitcheldean area
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, September 07, 2010, 08:39 (5197 days ago) @ slowhands
Name: Matthew Smith
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 75
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 148
1881 Plump Hill
Mathew Smith abt 1806 Hycham, Buckinghamshire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1807 Eastdean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
1871
Mathew Smith 65
Eliza Smith 64
Thos Smith 24
Philip Smith 20
1861
Matthew Smith abt 1805 Hiwickham, Buckinghamshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Smith abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Philip Smith abt 1851 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
1851
Mathew Smith abt 1806 High Wicken, Buckinghamshire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Smith abt 1807 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1834 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charlotte Smith abt 1839 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Smith abt 1847 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Phillip Smith abt 1850 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
1841 Horsepool Bottom
Mathew Smith abt 1806 Dean Forest, Gloucestershire paper Maker
Eliza Smith abt 1805 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Smith abt 1830 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
James Smith abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
John Smith abt 1834 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Willam Smith abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Charlote Smith abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hariet Smith abt 1840 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Year: 1829
Month: May
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: Mathew
Grooms_Age: not
Groom_Condition: not stated
Grooms_Occupation: not stated
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: not stated
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: not stated
Brides_Surname: BARNARD
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: not
Brides_Condition: not stated
Brides_Occupation: not stated
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: not stated
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: not stated
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of William Roberts
Witness_2: Mark of Ann Roberts
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Chell A.B. Officiating Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Groom signs: Matthew Smith
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell
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Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 06, 2010, 14:00 (5197 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi
The Goode side seems to be correct, its only the Smith side where I suspect I've combined two families with a James and Elizabeth Smith in them. Both from Abinhall or Mitcheldean.
ciao
Lawrence
Albert SMITH (b 1868 aprox) married Rhoda Minnie GOODE 1888
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 13, 2010, 01:59 (5191 days ago) @ Lawrencef
I may have found a possible solution to identify which records are correct. I've ordered the birth cert for Sydney Smith, fingers crossed it lists his mothers maiden name.
I'll post when I have it in hand.
regards
Lawrence
Sydney Smith - Birth certificate 1871, 27 July
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 09:39 (5183 days ago) @ Lawrencef
Births Sep 1871
SMITH Sydney Westbury S. 6a 232
No 162
DOB: 27th July 1871, Mitcheldean
Name Sydney (Boy)
Father: James Smith, Miner, Mitcheldean
Moher: Elizabeth Smith formerly Mills
Registered date: 22 August 1871
Registrar: Edward Teague
Westbury on Severn
1871 Newnham County of Gloucester
Well this proves that a number of the census's I took for granted as belonging to my Albert Smith are incorrect. I'm going to go back through the data and will post again when I can prove/verify who he is.
Sydney SMITH - 1871, Mitcheldean
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, September 20, 2010, 11:08 (5183 days ago) @ Lawrencef
Its starting to look like a second marriage is missing to a slightly older Elizabeth from Stroud - I'm on the case (again!)
Is this the death of the "first " Elizabeth from Mitcheldean ?
Year: 1866
Month: Dec
Day: 19
Surname: SMITH
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence: Nail Bridge
Age_at_death: 3_ years
Officiating_Minister: William Barker
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death: [Not Sta
Memoranda: Name is annotated NY R-G 18-1 Letter P in left hand margin [North Yard Row 18 Grave 1 ?]Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/12
Page_No: 11
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
or perhaps :-
Name: Eliza Smith
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 30
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 200
A possible marriage but christian names may be a problem ...
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1870 (>99%)
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Mills Catherine Maria Stroud 6a 455
Pottow Mary Jane Stroud 6a 455
RATCLIFF Thomas Stroud 6a 455
Smith James Stroud 6a 455
or the Elizabeth MILLS was a widow using a maiden name...
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
-------------------------------------------------------------
COLLINS John Henry Stroud 6a 464
COOK Sarah Stroud 6a 464
Howell Elizabeth Stroud 6a 464
Smith James Stroud 6a 464
<><><><><> prior analysis
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20472
Year: 1856
Month: Feb
Day: 14
Grooms_Surname: SMITH
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Saddler
Grooms_Residence: Mitcheldean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: BUDGE [RUDGE seems most likely]
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Mitcheldean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Licence
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Smith
Witness_2: Hester Smith
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: E Machen
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 27
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
1861 High Street
James Smith abt 1833 Westbury, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Saddler
Elizabeth Smith abt 1831 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George Smith abt 1858 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Mary A Smith abt 1859 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Emily Smith abt 1860 Mitcheldean Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Louisa Nelmes abt 1842 Shapridge Servant Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Oliver Preece abt 1848 Mitcheldean Apprentice Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Year: 1871
Month: Nov
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Sydney
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Son of]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
1871 Townsend Mitcheldean
James Smith 39 East Dean
Elizabeth Smith 44 Stroud
Thomas Smith 17 Mitcheldean
James Smith 15 Mitcheldean
Alice Smith 13 Mitcheldean
John Smith 11 Mitcheldean
Sarah Ann Smith 9 Mitcheldean
Elizabeth Smith 7 Mitcheldean
Enock Smith 5 Mitcheldean
Abbert Smith 3 Mitcheldean
1881 Townsend St
James Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Albert Smith abt 1868 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Smith abt 1872 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
1891 High St
James Smith abt 1832 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Iron Miner
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1867 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George E Fletcher abt 1869 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Sawyer
James Wm Hook abt 1872 Mayhill, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George G Powell abt 1874 , Clifton; Bristol Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
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Sydney SMITH - 1871, Mitcheldean
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:01 (5183 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi
My suspician is that they are distict families but with the same names.
Anthony Hyde is his stepfather
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Year: 1842
Month: May
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Eliza
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tibberton
Occupation: Carpenter
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Bushell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P332 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 32
Parish_Chapel: Tibberton
He marries Elizabeth Page Hughes (herself having two marriages, this being her second).
His mother is Eliza Jennings Born 1811 daughter of Jerimiah Jennings I suspect.
Eliza Jennings Correction
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:02 (5183 days ago) @ Lawrencef
Year: 1808
Month: Apr
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: JENNINGS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: Jeremiah
Mothers_Forenames: Sophia
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Wm Gyllett A.M. vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P83 IN 1/1
Page_Number: 187
Parish_Chapel: Churcham
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1851 Census
Record
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Name: Eliza Hyde
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Anthony
Gender: Female
Where born: Churcham, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Westbury On Severn
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub-registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Household schedule number: 119
Household Members:
Name Age
Anthony Hyde 31
Eliza Hyde 43
Ellen Hyde Smith 10
James Smith 8
George Hyde 5
Sarah Hyde 2
See more
Eliza Hyde Anthony abt 1808 Churcham, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth FLETCHER nee SMITH - 1865, Mitcheldean
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:03 (5183 days ago) @ slowhands
1881
John Fletcher abt 1829 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Head Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
Harriett Fletcher abt 1833 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Wife Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
William Fletcher abt 1854 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
Isaac Fletcher abt 1857 Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
James Fletcher abt 1863 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
Albert Fletcher abt 1865 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
George Fletcher abt 1871 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
Arthur Fletcher abt 1873 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
John Fletcher abt 1859 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Son Kingstanley, Gloucestershire
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1891 High St
James Smith abt 1832 Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Iron Miner
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1867 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George E Fletcher abt 1869 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire Sawyer
James Wm Hook abt 1872 Mayhill, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
George G Powell abt 1874 , Clifton; Bristol Boarder Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Name: Elizabeth Smith
Name: George Edward Fletcher
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 64
1901
George Ed Fletcher abt 1870 Ebley, Gloucestershire, England Head Burton Extra, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Fletcher abt 1865 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Burton Extra, Staffordshire
Albert Ed Fletcher abt 1892 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Burton Extra, Staffordshire
Elizabeth A Fletcher abt 1895 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Burton Extra, Staffordshire
1911
FLETCHER GEORGE EDWARD M 1870 41 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire
FLETCHER ELIZABETH F 1865 46 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire
FLETCHER ALICE GERTRUDE F 1909 2 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire
FLETCHER FREDRICK STANLEY M 1906 5 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire
FLETCHER SIDNEY JOHN M 1904 7 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire
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Elizabeth FLETCHER nee SMITH - 1865, Mitcheldean
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:06 (5183 days ago) @ slowhands
Hi
From the evidence of the birth certificate of Sydney Smith I know that
1881 Townsend St
James Smith abt 1832 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Smith abt 1828 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Albert Smith abt 1868 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Smith abt 1872 Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire, England Son Mitcheldean, Gloucestershire
relates to the Elizabeth Smith nee Mills. So can happily rule them out. Weird coincidence that they have an Albert but they are very common names. At least thats what my evidence suggests.
Elizabeth SMITH nee MILLS 1828 Stroud
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, October 04, 2010, 13:42 (5169 days ago) @ Lawrencef
There is a Daniel MILLS from Stroud who moves to East DEAN in the lat e1850's - I wonder if he had a sister / cousin who is Sydney's mother. ?
1861
Danil Mills abt 1814 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire Coal Miner
Elizabeth Mills abt 1815 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Mills abt 1844 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Mills abt 1847 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edwin Mills abt 1851 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Mills abt 1853 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Peter Mills abt 1855 Stroud, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
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Eliza Jennings second marriage to Anthony Hyde 1846
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Monday, September 20, 2010, 12:11 (5183 days ago) @ slowhands
Witnesses
William Jennings
Priscilla Hyde
Anthony Hyde Signs
Eliza Smith Marks
Name: Anthony Hyde
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 442 (click to see others on page)
Hyde Anthony Gloucester 11 442
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Surname Given Name District Volume Page Transcribers
Marriages Sep 1846
Smith Elizabeth Gloster XI 442 Ian
Smith Elizabeth Gloster XI 442
Certificate in files
Albert Smith (b 1868 aprox) figured it out at last
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 16:33 (5182 days ago) @ Lawrencef
I've figured it out. Still don't have Alberts birth certificate but the gist of the census information gives it some sense. I suspect that the baptism I have for Albert Smith is possibly correct anyway as the Elizabeth Smith (nee Mills) Albert Smith is born 24 jan 1868 (I accidentally ordered his birth certificate while attempting to get my Alberts certificate). My Albert Smith is baptised 1st April 1868; without the mothers maiden name its not going to be possible to prove either way other than to say that the Mills Albert is clearly indicated on the birth certificate.
Record_ID: 42755
Entry_Number: 270
Year: 1868
Month: Apr
Day: 1
Parents_Surname: SMITH
Child_Forenames: Albert
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth / Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mitcheldean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: C E Dighton Rector
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [Son of]
Notes:
Register_Reference: P220 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: Mitcheldean
Soundex: S530
I had the information there I just hadn't made the connections.
James Smith b.1811 marries Eliza Jennings b.1808, he dies before 1846 and she remarries Anthony Hyde b.1820 d 1878
Eliza Jennings had a son James Smith and daughter Ellen Smith to James Smith. She has George and Sarah Hyde b.1849 to Anthony Hyde. It also gets especially confusing as both families have two James Smiths, and the siblings share first names between both families.
I'd confused the census information due to the merging of the Smith Hyde families. Silly of me as there is other information which links my Smiths back to the Hydes later on (such as the birth cert for Eliza Hyde which my Great grandmother used as her own identity to get a pension in Canada). My friend in NZ who thought we were related includeded my Alberts details in her research as well. Easily done given the similarities in names and such and the lack of definitive birth certs for my Albert. We've been merging the two Smith families hence the confusion. The savings grace is that the other Elizabeth Smiths' maiden name is Mills and it can be seen clearly that Sydney and the other Albert are hers as boh have birth certificates.
I'll now build the details up but that's the case as far as I can see. Some gaps to fill but the solutions in front of me now.
Regards
Lawrence
<big sigh of relief>
Rhoda Minnie Goode - b. 1869 Finally found her death
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Thursday, September 23, 2010, 02:48 (5181 days ago) @ Lawrencef
Hi
I've finally found the solution to the Rhoda Minnie Goode saga and in my excitement I really have to tell everyone.
Name: Minnie Goode
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 222
Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
SMITH Rhoda 22 Runcorn 8a 155
She went to Runcorn to be at the deathbed of her husband Albert and the typhoid also took her. Terribly sad story. I will post more when the death certificate arrives... It does explain why my Great Grandmothers pragmatism to some degree however and also why she never told my Grandmother about her parents... She didn't know them...
Rhoda Minnie Goode - b. 1869 Finally found her death
by Lawrencef , Trentham, Australia, Tuesday, October 12, 2010, 12:30 (5161 days ago) @ Lawrencef
Rhoda Minnie Goode
died 26th Decemeber 1891
Runcorn Cheshire Uk
Typhoid Fever
Hospital House Runcorn
Wife of Albert Smith, mother of Olive Elizabeth Smith b19 Jul 1888
Deaths Dec 1891
SMITH Rhoda 22 Runcorn 8a 155
Well that concludes the first part of my research finally...
Thanks to everyone for your assistance and especially to Slowhands.
I think that next I'd best start in on some of the relations of Albert Smith, his father James Smith b15 May 1842 (and also the other children of Anthony Hyde and Eliza Jennings) etc...