I can't thank you enough for4 all the information. I had a great deal of it but I didn't know when Mary Ann and John were married. "George" in the census is indeed my grandfather but I hadn't heard that anyone ever called him by his middle name. A surprise in 1983 was that Uncle Jim's name was really Thomas . .

I never thought to look in Newport . . .the family moved a good bit, in the area of Pontypool, in Cardiff, and always retuning to Box Tree Cottage and the Forest. During the 1881 census I believe William was in Hirwaun with his parents, working with his father in a pit there as a coal rider.

My brother didn't remember much of the story other than William was 32 when he died. I don't think I had heard that until last week, but it fits with Charlie being a babt if the William who died in Newport was the correct William.I

If family history is accurate he didn't die in the tunnel itself since the bends doesn't present until after the atmospheric pressure has changed. I didn't know where he might have gone before symptoms presented, but did hear that he was in agony wh3en he went and that it was a blessing that his suffering ended.

I put his death between 1881 and 1884 so the death in Newport certainly fits. I'll send for the record and hope that solves the mystery! (Please excuse the typing ~~ I'm using my phone with its impossibly small keyboard to send this.

Thanks again.

Name: Sarah A Clarke
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 80
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 368

1911
CLARKE SARAH ANN F 1833 78 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire born Wraxall
CADOGAN KATHEEN F 1908 3 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ?
HUNT ELIZA JANE F 1857 54 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ?
HUNT JOHN EDWARD M 1845 66 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire ?

1901
John Hunt abt 1845 Nailsworth, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Hunt abt 1856 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah A Clarke abt 1832 Taunton, Somerset, England Mother-in-Law East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Workman abt 1890 Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England Niece East Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Blakeney New Road
John Hunt abt 1845 Nurlsworth, Glostershire Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza June Hunt abt 1857 Garndfaith, Monmouth Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Ann Clark abt 1831 Westfermard,{WEST PENNARD?} Lommerset Mother-in-Law East Dean, Gloucestershire
Stephen Workman abt 1888 Carmn, Duroley Nephew East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Workman abt 1890 Carmn, Duroley Niece East Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1882
Month: Jun
Day: 10
Surname: CLARK
Forenames: Richard
Residence: Gloucester
Age_at_death: 60 years
Officiating_Minister: E. S. Smith
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: 21
Notes:
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/5
Page_No: 59
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

1881
Sarah Ann Clarke abt 1833 Somerset, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary A. Lewis abt 1852 Abertillery, Monmouth, Wales Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William R. Lewis abt 1874 Garndiffilch, Monmouth, Wales Grandson Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas J. Lewis abt 1876 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth A. Lewis abt 1879 Atherton, Lancashire, England Granddaughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 nr Blakeney Hill
Richard Clark 49 Head East Dean Coal Miner
Sarah Ann Clark 40 Wife Shepton Mallett Somerset
Hannah Maria Clark 10 Daughter Pontypool
Frederick Clark 11 Boarder West Dean

Name: Samuel Vining
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pontypool
County: Gwent, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 90

1851 Pontypool / Garndifath
Samuel Vining 57 Shoemaker Evercreech Somerset
Elizabeth Vining 47 Batcombe Somerset
Sarah Ann Clark 19 Chewton Mendip Somerset
Richard Clark 28 Blakeney Hill Glos

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
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Clark Richard Pontypool 26 203
Vining Sarah Pontypool 26 203

1841
Samuel Vining abt 1801 Trevethan, Monmouthshire Shoe M
Elizabeth Vining abt 1806 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Thomas Vining abt 1829 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Sarah Vining abt 1832 Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Vining abt 1836 Monmouthshire, Wales Trevethan, Monmouthshire

Thomas Vining baptised West Pennard, St. Nicholas, 15 July 1827, parents Samuel Vining and Elizabeth Bush Vining.

There is a Wraxall near Evercreech on the old Fosse Way ( A37) ties in with West Pennard /Batcombe / Shepton Mallett area.

Chewton Mendip 7 miles from Shepton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/ChewtonMendip/index.html
and also West Pennard 6 miles from Shepton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/WestPennard/index.html
and not so far to Batcombe nr Bruton
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Batcombe/index.html
or should that be Butcombe ? on the Mendips
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Butcombe/index.html

SAMUEL VINING
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 30 NOV 1793 Evercreech, Somerset, England

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Parents:
Father: THOMAS VINING
Mother: JUDITH (HODGES}
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C141272 1540 NONE Book NONE
Sheet:

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THOMAS VINING
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Marriages:
Spouse: JUDITH HODGES
Marriage: 02 AUG 1792 Evercreech, Somerset, England
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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M141272 1540 NONE Book NONE
Sheet: 00

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Thank you again for the additional info. I had found that same census info, and I am assuming it is the correct family, based on the fact that it matches William's birth certificate. I think the best way for me to confirm it is probably to order a copy of Lewis Lewis' birth certificate, and if the info there matches William's I'll know for certain that this is my family.

Through probate sources, etc. I discovered the elder William's death information, and Ruth's, who was living with Edward in her later, widowed years.

I hadn't thought of the Newport death, Newport meaning nothing to me in relation to family place names (Trevethin, Hirwaun, Blakeney, Cardiff, etc). There's a William listed in the probate records, he's listed as a gentleman and left a sizable estate so I thought that excluded the Newport William. A bit of research tonight revealed that a William died in Newport at age 78 in the previous quarter, so you have given me an exciting lead. I shall order the certificate and hope for the best.

I will be happy when William is no longer "lost". Obviously, since I began this search at 16 it's always been a compelling mystery for me, but since being widowed myself it seems that much more important. I would like to think that my children will know something more of their Dada and won't ever need to search to discover who he was or where he was laid to rest.

I really cannot convey how thankful I am to you for finding this info. In '83 I found all the Cadogan family history really easily in the Glos registry office, since the name isn't quite as ubiquitous . . .

Thanks.

Sandra

This is truly amazing. You've made more progress in two days 5than I had made in literally decades.

The first census record for Ruth is a red herring. Her birth name is Davies and she was born at Llanfrynach.

You've solved a lesser mystery for me in that I never knew how the Workman's were related other than that they were cousins . . . My mother remembered posting packages "home" to them but only remembered the address as something something something (she remembered the cadence but not the actual placenames) near Pontypool.

Thanks again (although the word seems inadequate to express my gratitude for your kind help.

S.

Excellent. An expert in Workman family history.

My grandfather (Charles George Lewis) had two cousins, both of whom became medical doctors, who emigrated to the area around St. Louis MNO. I never thought to ask my Aunt Floss from which family (Workman, Virgo, Lewis, Clarke or Davies( they came from. Does that ring any bells on the Workman side?

Post Script:
As it turns out, they were Vinings, from Somerset by way of Garndiffaith.

William LEWIS is lodging in Atherton 1881 at Emma's home - she is from Somerset, and married in Pontypridd - a coincidence or is she family too ?

Emma Melita Carpenter
Birth: 27 May 1852 - Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England
Death: 1949 - Scranton, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania, USA

1920
Fredrick Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1851 England White Self (Head)
Emma M Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1852 England White Wife
Celia Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1887 England White Daughter
Oscar Beecham Scranton Ward 22, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania abt 1898 Pennsylvania White Son

Mar 6 th 1911 Ellis Island Emma BEECHAM
US Citizen Leigh Lancashire age 59
on the Baltic from Liverpool
Husband Frederick BEECHAM - 1303 Watson Ave, Scranton PA

1910
Frederick Beacham name city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania 1850 location relation
Emma M Beacham name city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania 1853 location
+others

1900
Frederick Beacham city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania date location White relation
Emma Beacham city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania date location White relation
+ others
Charles Beechamn city, Lackawanna, Pennsylvania date location White relation

1890/1 probably in the States

1881 Atherton,
Emma M. Beecham abt 1853 Shipton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Charles F. Beecham abt 1880 Atherton, Lancashire, England Son Atherton, Lancashire

next door
1881
William Carpenter abt 1821 Shipton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Atherton, Lancashire
Mary Carpenter abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Wife Atherton, Lancashire

Name: Charles Frederick Beecham
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1880
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 291

Name: Emma Meleita Carpenter
name: Frederick Beecham
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1874
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 557

1871 Shepton Mallet, Somerset
William Carpenter 63
Mary Carpenter 55
Emma Carpenter 19
Ellen Carpenter 17
Frank Carpenter 15
Herbert Carpenter 9

1861
William Carpenter abt 1811 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Head Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Mary Carpenter abt 1815 Wincanton, Somerset, England Wife Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Robert Carpenter abt 1851 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Son Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Emma M Carpenter abt 1853 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Daughter Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Ellen Carpenter abt 1854 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Daughter Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Frank Carpenter abt 1856 Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England Son Shepton Mallet, Somerset

WILLIAM CARPENTER
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Event(s):
Birth: 29 SEP 1810 Wincanton, Somerset, England
Christening:
Death: 02 OCT 1882

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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY SWETMAN
Marriage: JAN 1834 <Shepton Mallet, Somerset, England>

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