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Has anyone come across the marriage record for George Annetts (1805-1865) collier of Ruardean Hill and Phoebe Horlick (1811-1876) of Micheldean/Ruardean?
The earliest baptism record for their children is Feb 1832 for John Lewis Annetts at Ruardean independent chapel where Phoebe's father is minister.

George and Phoebe Annetts are together with their children on the 1841 and 1851 census in Ruardean Hill and living separately in Ruardean Hill in 1861.
I'm sure I must have the right Phoebe as Phoebe Annetts is listed as a daughter in the Rev John Horlick's will and one of George and Phoebe's daughters is christened Phoebe Horlick Annetts.

Many Thanks

Alice

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index

at HEMPSTEAD

George ANNETTS of Littleworth

married

Phoebe HORLICK of Littleworth

7 August 1830, by Banns

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Many thanks - I have been searching for this record for ages!

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Couple more HORLICK marriages at HEMPSTED

Elizabeth HORLICK of Littleworth married John COATES - 7 June 1828

Thomas HORLICK of Littleworth married Harriet HOLBERT - 11 June 1829

will check again for baptisms.

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Hi Alice

I have a George Annetts 1805 baptised 14 Apr 1805 who marries Phoebe 1812 in my family tree.

I should explain that I always follow spouses siblings and parents and sometimes get carried away. In this case the grandparents of George Annetts are James Annetts 1735 & Susanna Banfield. The father of George Annetts 1805 was James Annetts 1776. He had a sister Susanna 1770 who married William Nelmes 1761, their son Moses Nelmes 1805 married Hannah Meek 1813, daughter of Joseph Meek 1782 & Hannah Cooke 1792 - subject of a number of postings.

James Annetts 1735 & Susanna Banfield also had (amongst 7 children) a daughter Mary and I will not detail it here but if you move on 5 generations you get to Ann Charlotte Lillian Powell 1905 who married Thomas Moll born 7 Sep 1902 Oglesby LaSalle, IL. USA, who was the son of Edward Moll born 17 Oct 1782 Maldegem, Belgium as Eduard de Mauw. He changed his name - or had it changed for him when he emigrated to America - see my Picture Ed Moll's Bar. The picture is of a number of emigree Forest of Dean miners standing outside a bar in Oblesby Illinois.

What is really interesting here is that I didn't know Phoebe's surname but I do have the Rev John Horlick in my Family Tree as a couple of generations away you get to an Ann Marfell. So I look forward to Slowhands contribution for confirmation.

1851 Census East Dean
ANNETTS George 44 Coal Miner East Dean
Phoebe 39 Mitchel Dean
William 18 Coal Miner Ruardean
Sarah 14 Ruardean
Mary 12 Ruardean
Amelia 9 Ruardean
George 7 Ruardean
Jane 5 Ruardean
James 2 Ruardean
Phoebe 10m Ruardean

1861 East Dean
Phebe Annetts abt 1812 Mitcheldean, Head
George Annetts abt 1844 Morse Lane Son
Jane Annetts abt 1846 Crooked End, Daughter
John Annetts abt 1853 Woodside, Son East
Phebe H Annetts Phebe abt 1847 Woodside, Daughter
Thomas Dobbs abt 1834 Joyford, Lodger

1871East Dean
Pheobe Annett abt 1812 East Dean, Head
John Annett abt 1852 East Dean, Son

Jim Ashton

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FOD records

Baptisms

19 May 1811 - at Ruardean Congregational (born 22 April 1811)

Phebe HORLICK

daughter of John & Elizabeth (father Reverend John HORLICK)

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If you use the Advanced Search on FOD records, there are the following children of the Reverend John HORLICK and Elizabeth baptised at Ruardean Congregational Church.

Sarah - baptised 8 February 1807 born 9 January 1807

Elizabeth - baptised 1 May 1808 - born 1 April 1808

William - baptised 11 April 1813 - born 13 March 1813

Leah - baptised 11 December 1814 - born 11 November 1814

Bendicta - baptised 25 December 1816- born 19 November 1816

John Robert - baptised 24 January 1819 - born 15 December 1818

Thomas Lewis - baptised 27 March 1825 - born 31 January 1824

1841 Census, Ruardean Glos

HORLICK

John - 63 (Dificating ????? Minister) - all born in County
Elizabeth - 57
Sarah - 33
Leah - 26
Bendicta - 23
Thomas - 15 - Grocer
Susanna - 60 - Independent

FOD Records

John HORLICK (Widw) of married Elizabeth LEWIS Spinster of Mitcheldean - 27 August 1805 at Ruardean - by Licence, witnesses: Susannah PRESTON and Richard HOFF

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Thanks for that. I did not have the 1841 Census detail, I did have all the birth's and baptism's but I did it the hard way, I have never really got the hang of the advanced search, perhaps someone could do an "Idiot's Guide" for idiots like me !!

I did forget to mention one point - Elizabeth Horlick 1808 married Timothy Marfell 1808 at Ruardean 16 Dec 1834. She died 18 Feb 1842 and he went on to marry Elizabeth Mansell 1805 on 19 Oct 1843 Cheltenham she died 22 May 1854 and he went on to marry Elizabeth Lewis Gagg 1835 at Ruardean 13 March 1856. Timothy didn't waste much time between the death of one Elizabeth and the marriage of the next. I have the marriage certificates for the last two, the first pre 1837 so no certificate. Timothy Marfell died 11 Feb 1883 and the last Elizabeth nee Gagg died 25 Sep 1885.

He followed his first father in law by being a minister:

1851 Census Longhope Mansell page 40
MARFELL Timothy 43 Farmer 20 Acres Longhope Mansell
Elizabeth 42 Ruardean

1861 Census Ruardean
Timothy Marfell 53 Independent Minister Hope Mansell
Elizabeth wife 26 Ruardean

1871 Census Ruardean
2686/23/7
Timothy Marfell 63 retired Independant Minister Hope Mansell
Elizabeth 36 Ruardean

1881 Census
Dwelling: New Street (May Lawn)
Census Place: Mitcheldean, Gloucester, England
Source: FHL Film 1341609 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2524 Folio 49 Page 19
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Timothy MARFELL M 73 M Hope Mawsel, Hereford, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Retired Independant Minister
Elizabeth Lewis MARFELL M 46 F Ruardean, Gloucester, England
Rel: Wife

Memorial Inscription :
From Hope Mansell:
Timothy third son of Jonathan MARFELL of this parish died at Mitcheldean, 11th February 1883 aged 75 farmer and Congregational Minister, Ruardean.

Extract from the Marfell Family Newsletter Fall 2002 Concerning Timothy Marfell 1808.
..... The nineteenth century poet in the family was Timothy. He was also an independent minister. Poor Timothy - apparently he never prospered much in a financial way from either vocation, for two of his brothers, according to their wills, left trust funds from which the interest was to be paid to Timothy at regular intervals. Timothy's poem entitled Old Times, written in 1865, describes the life he and his brothers endured on the farm as they were growing up. It is a fine picture of English rural life of that period. His poem Different Wishes is a lovely, tender composition. This one with two other short ones that have survived reveal the richness of the author's spiritual life.

Of the other "Rev's" children; Benedicta 1816 married Samuel Constance 1815, John Robert 1818 married Maria Ballinger 1819 2 children, Thomas Lewis 1825 married Sarah Merriman 1826. Maria Ballinger 1819 had a sister Ann Ballinger 1813 who also married a Samuel Constance 1811 who had a different father to the Samuel Constance 1815 who married Benedicta. Samuel Constance 1811 & Ann Ballinger 1813 had a son Samuel Constance 1847 who married Ann Marfell 1838.

Jim Ashton

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Thanks Jim

On the Annetts side I have assumed a possible ancestry of George Annets b.1805 as:

James Annetts bap 28 Jan 1776 Ruardean parents James and Susanna. Bur Ruardean 6 Oct 1823
(James Annetts m. Susanna Banfield Ruardean 29 Apr 1758)

James Annats bap. 8 Jun 1735 Ruardean parents Nicholas & Mary. Bur Ruardean 17 Jul 1796
(marriage of Nicholas and Mary not yet found)

Nicolas Annetts bap. 17 Jan 1704 Welsh Bicknor father Nicholas living Newland. Bur Ruardean 8 Jul 1751
(Nicholas Annotts m. Elizabeth Turner (widow of Speech House, Forrest of Dean) Gloucester St Nicholas 1 Jun 1695 or 1696)

Nicolas Annetts bap 26 Jul 1663 Ruardean parents George and Elizabeth. Bur. Ruardean 14 Jan 1730
(George Annetts m. Elizabeth Baker Gloucester St Nicholas 28 Sep 1653)

Alice

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On the 1851 census
Morse Lane, Ruardean

John HORLICK - 73, Minister, born Glos. Painswick
Elizabeth HORLICK - 67 - born Glos. Ruardean
Sarah HORLICK - 43 - born Ruardean
Leah HORLICK - 36 - born Ruardean

John was a widower, when he married Elizabeth LEWIS

Gloucestershire Marriage Index

John HORLICK married Hannah ELLIS, Painswick, 20 January 1800

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John Horlick and Hannah Ellis had one child:

Isaiah Horlick bap. Ruardean Congregational 17 Feb 1802 parents Rev John and Hannah Horlick
Officiating Minister ?? Winter of Painswick

The biography of John Horlick from 1858

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=26213

mentions a first wife who died and left one child and also the role of Cornelius Winter - non-conformist minister in Painswick in training John Horlick as a minister.

-Alice

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Thanks for that. No sign of George Annetts and Phoebe on the same register ?

Painswick Church has not been transcribed. I just looked on the internet for Painswick Church and there is a web site with a list of names. Annetts or Horlick is not shown, but having clicked on a few names at random, I cannot understand their connection with Painswick.

Have just edited this item, having gone through the thread again, the marriage of George Annetts and Phoebe is listed sorry.

Jim Ashton

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Phoebe's father John Horlick was born in Painswick in about 1778 (from 1851 census)

According to John Horlick's biography his parents were Robert and Elizabeth Horlick but I don't have his baptism record

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=26213

Robert Horlick m. Elizabeth Millard Painswick 23 Aug 1771 (from IGI)

John Horlick was posted to Micheldean to minister in the cong. church by Rev Corneluis Winter of Painswick in about 1800.

-Alice

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incidently - without access to the Painswick registers I cannot link Rev John Horlick to the malted milk Horlicks whose ancestry was also from the Painswick area

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Gloucestershire Marriage Index list pre 1800 only includes Painswick Quaker - not sure why? assume not yet transcribed.

But the Burial Index has 3 Sections for Painswick

Painswick TXT
Painswick (BT)
Painswick Friends Burial Ground Quakers

under the Section Painswick TXT - there are 15 HORLICKS deaths inc.

Robert HORLICK age 82, died at Painswick 3 January 1832

Elizabeth - age 57 - 8 September 1826
Elizabeth - age 71 - 31 October 1830
Elizabeth - age 67 - 5 November 1832

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Horlick of Painswick, website

http://george-powell.co.uk/family/2775.htm

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Thanks Alice

I didn't have the burials. I went back as far as Nicholas 1704. A perfect example of taking "connected", rather than "related" people back too far, and thanks to your information I have gone back a further generation !!

There is no-one in my Family Tree that I cannot trace back to me eventually, but sometimes it takes a bit of working out.

Jim Ashton

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