John HALLIER b. 1827 Newnham - Carpenter /Joiner (General)

by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, November 07, 2010, 07:08 (5138 days ago) @ peterthomas

I think having a child called Lavinia and a sister Lavinia is a "strong" indication that this John is the son of the Butcher ( Family in 1841 Newnham ) - If Jane or Elizabeth had been the common name I would be less encouraged !

Name: Lavinia Mary Hallier
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 183

The child born in South Wales / Cardiff around 1859 is probably an Elizabeth Jane or Jane Elizabeth.

Its starting to look like John and Mary ( from Bath) are not married (in which case Elizabeth Jane could be registered under another (mothers?) surname....

1861
John Hallier abt 1827 Gloucestershire, England Head Islington, Middlesex Carpenter
Mary Ann Hallier abt 1838 Bath Wife Islington, Middlesex
Elizabeth Hallier abt 1859 Wales, Louth, Ireland [SOUTH WALES] Daughter Islington, Middlesex

1861
Elizabeth Hallier abt 1821 Weston, Herefordshire, England Head Walford, Herefordshire Married
Thomas Hallier abt 1852 Walford, Herefordshire, England Son Walford, Herefordshire
William Hallier abt 1854 Walford, Herefordshire, England Son Walford, Herefordshire

1871 Walford
Elizabeth Hallier 48 Neston Married
Thomas Hallier 18 Walford
William Hallier 16 Walford

children of the marriage with Elizabeth TRIGG

Year: 1852
Month: May
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: HALLIER
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bulls Hill Walford
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Officiating_Minister: Arthur Stonhouse Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/4
Page_Number: 148
Parish_Chapel: Walford

Year: 1854
Month: Sep
Day: 17
Parents_Surname: HALLIER
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Walford
Occupation: Cabinetmaker and Builder
Officiating_Minister: Arthur Stonhouse Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/4
Page_Number: 155
Parish_Chapel: Walford

When Elizabeth dies - John would be free to marry - assuming he knew !, but he dies 4 years later in 1884

Year: 1880
Month: Jan
Day: 5
Surname: HALLIER
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence: Walford
Age_at_death: 61
Officiating_Minister: Arthur Stonhouse Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/11
Page_No: 171
Parish_Chapel: Walford

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So far as I can tell the "first" children do not marry.

1891
Thomas Hallier abt 1852 Ross, Herefordshire, England Servant Abbey Dore, Herefordshire

1891
William Hallier abt 1856 Walford, Herefordshire, England Lodger Ross, Herefordshire

1901
William Halier abt 1855 Walford, Herefordshire, England Lodger Hope Mansel, Herefordshire

Name: William Hallier
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 48
District: Ross
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Hereford and Worcester
Volume: 6a
Page: 281

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