Raymond Wilce

I am seeking information about my half brother Raymond Wilce who was born in about 1917 and who, until the age of about 17, lived in Wonastow Road, Monmouth. I think Raymond was in the RAF, perhaps stationed at Gloucester, during the 1939-1945 war.

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a few assumptions here :-

Name: Raymond F Wilce
Mother's Maiden Surname: Brown
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1925
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 35

Name: Raymond F Wilce
Spouse ; Hazel M D Taylor
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1949
Registration district: Cannock
Registration county (inferred): Staffordshire
Volume Number: 9b
Page Number: 337

Name: Raymond Frederick Wilce
Birth Date: 1 Sep 1925
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 2001
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Stafford
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Register number: B39E
District and Subdistrict: 7351B
Entry number: 204

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Raymond was born in 1917 or 1918 probably in Monmouth or Leominster. He was bought up in Monmouth by our Great Aunt Sarah Padmore and used the name Raymond Padmore until about 1934 when he left Monmouth, at this time he used the name Raymond Wilce.

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One suspect that "leaps" off the page !

Name: Wilce
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wilce
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1918
Registration district: Monmouth
Registration county: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 38

however the image says (female)

and here are a further number of suspects :-

Raymond M Ellway Jan Feb Mar 1917 Monmouth Wales

Raymond J Hale Oct Nov Dec 1916 Monmouth Wales

Raymond C Hawkins Apr May Jun 1917 Monmouth Wales

Raymond H Lucas Jan Feb Mar 1916 Monmouth Wales

Raymond S Manning Apr May Jun 1918 Monmouth Wales

Raymond B Phillips Jul Aug Sep 1918 Monmouth Wales

Raymond C Wicks Jul Aug Sep 1916 Monmouth Wales

Raymond H Finney Oct Nov Dec 1918 Leominster Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire

Raymond Waldron Apr May Jun 1916 Leominster Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire

Raymond L Westcott Jan Feb Mar 1916 Leominster Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire

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I have tried all the likely names and locations but have been unable to locate Raymond. I was hoping that someone might see his name in your forum and might remember him or know something of him.

Robert

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Robert

Anothert avenue might be his Service record - however I suspect you do not yet have enough info for this search :-(

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/Personnel/ServiceRecords/Making...

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You could write to The MONMOUTHSHIRE BEACON newspaper letters page.

Unfortunately my mothers relations who relate to the Yeates/Wilce line have died but will ask.

Patsy

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Thank you for the idea about the 'Monmouthshire echo' I'll give it a go. Following the life of my grandfather Thomas Wilce I found a Thomas Wilce staying with the Yates family in Tredegar (I don't think, now, that this was my Thomas Wilce) but there was a relationship between the Yates and the Wilce family from Barry, who had a son called Raymond born at about the time that my Raymond Wilce was born.

There were three Thomas Wilces, of about the same age, in the South Wales/ Monmouth/Gloucester area at the same time. In the end I gave up trying to find which was which and just followed the one with obvious and firm connection.

Robert

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Re the Padmore connection

Thomas Wilkes m. Hester H. Padmore in Monmouth 1887

In 1891Thomas Wilce was lodging/living with the Yates/Yeates family in Tredegar / he was b. USA

In 1891 Hester H. Wilce was living with her mother in Monmouth.

This transcribed as Hester H. Padmore but Wilce actually on Census.

I do not have the marriage certificate.

Perhaps you could give some more information from Raymond back to Thomas Wilce.

Patsy

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Cannot find the correct Thomas Wilce on 1911 but:

1901
M A Padmore w 75 conf. Monnow St.
Thos Wilks 44 plate layer b. America
Hester 39
Harold 5

Probate :

Hester H Wilces of Monnow Street, w/o ThomasWilces/ d. 29 Oct 1915 /Probate to THOS WILKES/ no occupation /£433.15.4d
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Thomas Wilce of Monnow St/ d. 7 Dec 1916, 30 Jan/ to Sarah Ann Padmore /spinster /Effects £1,212. 11 7d/

Presume this is the Gt Aunt Sarah Padmore??????

So Harold was orphaned by 1916 was he the father of Raymond?

Patsy

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Harold married Rosa Hughes Rowland in September 1917. Rosa died in November 1918. They had a son Raymond and the child who was bought up by Sarah Padmore, Raymonds great aunt, in Monmouth. This is the Raymond about whom I am trying to find some information.

Robert

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Think the wills/ census prove the Monmouth Yates/Yeates/Wilce connection .

It might be interesting to send for the wills as they might contain information about family members or perhaps you already have them.

I saw the other marriage to Rosa and her death whilst searching for the elusive Raymond.

Note the marriage is transcribed under WILES on FREE BMD.

This might be the same problem with Raymond/ perhaps mis- transcribed.

It is rather odd that C. H. Wilce states that he does not have children on his WW1 army record although an R is written in the space.

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