All Saints Church, Viney Hill - Baptismal Font (General)

by mrsbruso @, Friday, November 19, 2010, 03:18 (5123 days ago)

Does anyone know of a story relating to the baptismal font at All Saints having belonged to an older church? I have some childhood memory of there having been something special about it, but I can't quite remember the story.

In an aside, I know some of my family is definitely buried in the churchyard (I have the memorial cards), but they aren't listed in the FOD parish records.

All Saints Church, Viney Hill - Burial Records

by admin ⌂, Forest of Dean, Friday, November 19, 2010, 06:59 (5123 days ago) @ mrsbruso

I know some of my family is definitely buried in the churchyard (I have the memorial cards), but they aren't listed in the FOD parish records.

We have the transcribed burial records on the Web site for Viney Hill covering the period 1867-1969.

Are the burials records you are seeking after 1969?

If the burials are prior to 1969 then please tell us the names and dates of the burials and we will check it out.

-> List of transcribed parish records

All Saints Church, Viney Hill - Burial Records

by mrsbruso @, Friday, November 19, 2010, 13:21 (5123 days ago) @ admin

"Home at last, thy labour done.
Safe and blest, the victory won.
Jordan passed, from pain set free,
Angels now have welcomed thee".

In Affectionate Remembrance of Sarah Ann Clarke,
The beloved Wife of Richard Clarke, of Blakeney,
Who departed this life January 6th, 1913
Aged 80 years,
And was interred at Viney Hill Church,
Forest of Dean,
January 11th.

New Road, Blakeney, Glos.
With the family's kind regards.


John James' card is missing from the scrapbook, but I thought he was buried with his wife, Mary Ann James, who died in 1918 and is buried with her parents, Richard Clarke (d. 1882, recorded as buried at Viney Hill)and the aforementioned Sarah Ann.

I have a photograph of the gravestone somewhere. John died in Cardiff, so there's a possibility that it was just that it said Mary Ann JAMES on the stone along with her parents that made me think he was also there.


There are also two baptisms I would have expected to see, as both boys were born at Box Tree Cottage, both within the same time period where there were burials from the house at Viney Hill. The first is my grandfather, Charles George Lewis, born at Blakeney April 27, 1881, and later his nephew, Wilfred Ernest Cadogan, who was born, I believe, in 1917 (I'd have to find the date) also at Box Tree Cottage. Richard Clarke was buried at Viney Hill in 1882, and Mary Ann James was buried there in 1918, so the family were still affiliated with the church during those times.

I know I was told my Grandfather was baptised at Viney Hill, I am just making that assumption with Wilf.

All Saints Church, Viney Hill - Burial - Sarah Ann CLARKE ??

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 19, 2010, 13:49 (5123 days ago) @ mrsbruso

Year: 1913
Month: Jan
Day: 11
Surname: CROOKER
Forenames: Sarah Amy
Residence: Old Furnace
Age_at_death: 80
Officiating_Minister: Minister from Vine Hill Chapel
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes: Grave No. 21
Register_Reference: P348 IN 1/6
Page_No: 110
Parish_Chapel: Viney Hill

There is nothing close to CROOKER in the BMD index for 1913

Name: Sarah A Clarke
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 80
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 368


A transcription cross check required :-)

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All Saints Church, Viney Hill - Burial - Sarah Ann CLARKE ??

by grahamdavison @, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 00:03 (5122 days ago) @ slowhands

Have checked the register and although the Surname is unclear it is probably CLARKE.

All Saints Church, Viney Hill - Burial - Sarah Ann CLARKE ??

by mrsbruso @, Saturday, November 20, 2010, 04:16 (5122 days ago) @ grahamdavison

Thank you so much for going to all that trouble.

I never would have recognized the name, or managed to find it the way it is entered, but the information matches both her death certificate and her funeral card, so I guess that's another mystery solved. Another confirmation that it's Sarah Ann Clarke is the grave number, which corresponds to my great-grandmother's, with whom she is buried.

Wilfred Ernest CADOGAN 1917 (- 1918 ?)

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 19, 2010, 13:57 (5123 days ago) @ mrsbruso

Name: Wilfred E Cadogan
Mother's Maiden Surname: Lewis
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1917
Registration district: Westbury S
Registration county: Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 353


Name: Ernest W Cadogan
Death Registration Month/Year: 1918
Age at death (estimated): 0
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 1131

<><><><> possible parents

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
----------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
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Cadogan Alexander Cardiff 11a 689
Lewis Elizabeth Ann Cardiff 11a 689

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Wilfred Ernest CADOGAN 1917 - 1918 ?

by mrsbruso @, Friday, November 19, 2010, 14:11 (5123 days ago) @ slowhands

That death is a red herring. My Wilf lived to a ripe old age and only recently passes away in Barrie, Ontario Canada..

And I never would have found Sarah with those spellings. The records must have been paticularly difficult to decipher.

Charles George LEWIS 1881 - prior note

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 19, 2010, 13:59 (5123 days ago) @ mrsbruso

Name: Charles George Lewis
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 246
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and then :-
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=28333

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All Saints Church, Viney Hill

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Friday, November 19, 2010, 08:09 (5123 days ago) @ mrsbruso

http://www.kenmorse.co.uk/36167/36467.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*

Returning to the Porch we enter the Church and immediately on our left we see the plain stone Font with its heavy oak cover. The copper Ewer at the Font was given by Mr. and Mrs. Donald Johnson.


The church of ALL SAINTS, Viney Hill, begun in 1865 and consecrated in 1867, was built as a memorial to Charles Bathurst (d. 1863) of Lydney Park by his wife Mary and his brother and heir, the Revd. W. H. Bathurst. (fn. 25) In the mid 1830s the Viney Hill area was visited by the curate of Blakeney and the vicar of Awre. (fn. 26) Later Henry Poole organized missions from St. Paul's church, Parkend, and in the early 1850s he built school-chapels between Viney Hill and Oldcroft and at Blakeney Woodside with the help of Charles Bathurst and Edward Machen, deputy surveyor of the Forest. (fn. 27) That between Viney Hill and Oldcroft, which became known as St. Swithin, (fn. 28) was replaced for services by All Saints' church, further east. All Saints was in 1866 assigned a parish taken from that of St. Paul's church and including Blakeney Hill and Yorkley Slade. (fn. 29) The benefice, described as a perpetual curacy (later a vicarage), was given a stipend of £150, of which £100 was secured by an endowment from Mary and W. H. Bathurst, (fn. 30) and a new house north of the church. (fn. 31) The patronage was vested in W. H. Bathurst (fn. 32) and descended with the Lydney Park estate (fn. 33) until 1936 when Viscount Bledisloe gave it to University College, Oxford. (fn. 34)

All Saints' church, built of local red sandstone with grey sandstone dressings, was designed by Ewan Christian (fn. 35) in a late 13th-century style with an apsidal chancel flanked by quadrant chapels and a nave with north transept and south aisle and porch. The north chapel was used as a vestry and the south chapel was converted in the early 20th century as a choir vestry. Of the fittings the organ, in the transept, was bought between 1900 and 1904 to replace another instrument. (fn. 36) The two bells hanging in a bellcot over the chancel were cast in 1867 by Mears & Stainbank. (fn. 37) The plate includes an almsdish donated in 1901 by Charles Bathurst (later Viscount Bledisloe) (fn. 38) and a chalice and paten given in memory of C. R. Williams, vicar 1922-50. (fn. 39) The mission to Blakeney Woodside continued under All Saints' church until its abandonment before 1950. (fn. 40) In 1875 A. D. Pringle, vicar of Blakeney, began holding Sunday services in a former Baptist meeting house at Blakeney Hill. (fn. 41) The building was presumably that used as a mission hall until at least 1901. (fn. 42)

From: 'Forest of Dean: Churches', A History of the County of Gloucester: Volume 5: Bledisloe Hundred, St. Briavels Hundred, The Forest of Dean (1996), pp. 389-396. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=23271 Date accessed: 19 November 2010.

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All Saints Church, Viney Hill -

by mrsbruso @, Friday, November 19, 2010, 13:24 (5123 days ago) @ slowhands

I knew the church was newer. I would have sworn I was told there was something particularly special about the font, though . . . having been moved from somewhere else . . . but then childhood memories aren't always what we think they were. Thanks for the info, though.

All Saints Church, Viney Hill -

by mrsbruso @, Wednesday, December 08, 2010, 03:24 (5104 days ago) @ mrsbruso

Okay. So some small part of my childhood memory was accurate. I just stumbled across this . . . from Arthur O. Cook's "The Forest of Dean", Dutton & CO, NY 1913: "The Church is a modern building; for Blakeney though now far larger than its Severn-side neighbour Awre is a mere offshoot from the older parish, two miles or more away. But Blakeney Church, modern and comparitively unlovely as it is . . . The visitor may not perhaps go farther than the door, besides which stands the quaint thireenth century font. It's shape, square and two sided as regards one half, a semi circle on the other -- at once betrays its origin; it was in fact a holy water stroup and evidentily occupied the corner of a porch . . . the present vicar looks upon this relic with affection and some pride, having rescued it from a local garden where it had long been serving as a flower pot".

All Saints Church, Viney Hill

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Wednesday, December 08, 2010, 07:03 (5104 days ago) @ mrsbruso

So some small part of my childhood memory was accurate.

I'm sure it was never in doubt, only a matter of time before some evidence to support the memory or prove that it was perhaps mixed with other memories came to light !!

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All Saints Church, Blakeney - Font picture

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, December 23, 2010, 11:57 (5089 days ago) @ mrsbruso

http://www.achurchnearyou.com/blakeney-all-saints/

Its very subtle but I think its Blakeney not Viney Hill !
Both are "All Saints"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/churchcrawler/4362625454/

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcots/BlakeneyPhotos.html

The Church of England church at Blakeney was built in the 1800's. Before this time, the parish was combined with the village of Awre, a little further to the east and closer to the River Severn.

The font is what appears to be a 15th century stoup for holy water, believed to have been removed from Awre church during the Reformation and buried for safety. It was found near Gatcombe when the railway was built, and used locally as a flower pot for many years before being brought to the church at Blakeney

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/164443


STOUP / STOOP
1.Ecclesiastical. A basin or font for holy water at the entrance of a church.

"Blakeney church is modern and its oldest possession is what appears to be a mediaeval stoup for holy water, now doing service as a font. It has a queer story. It is believed to have been taken from Awre church and buried for safety during the Reformation. They found it near Gatcombe in making the railway, and after a little experience as a flowerpot it was brought to a place of honour in Blakeney church."


Author Name: Arthur Mee. Ed
Title: The Kings England. Gloucestershire.
Binding: Hardcover
Size: 440 Pages
Publisher: Hodder & Stoughton; 1st Reprint edition (1940)
ASIN: B004AQ2LX4

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All Saints Church, Blakeney - Font picture

by mrsbruso @, Thursday, December 23, 2010, 16:23 (5089 days ago) @ slowhands

Again, many thanks. Since the family is from the Blakeney/Blakeney Hill area they used both Blakeney Chapel/Awre and Viney Hill. In my childhood memory I must have merged them into one . . . It was a. Half remembered story from when I inherited the family Christening gown. (I wasn't christened in it because no one in the family was oer their dismay that mum married an RC and my Aunt thought lightning bolts would come from heaven if they carried me into an RC church in that gown!) Eventually all was forgiven when I showed the good
sense to marry a nice protestant boy!

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