James PAYNE 1871 & family from Cardiff to the FoD (General)

by baggstree , Wednesday, December 08, 2010, 08:55 (5104 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you for this information. Your census data confirm my own, which I've backed up with certificates in some crucial cases.
I've researched several likely Florence Paynes, and the Florence May Payne QSept 1893 is not the 'Florie' daughter of James and Rachel. But I think it very likely that the Florence Payne at Cheltenham in 1911 is. James's and Rachel's Florie/Florence was registered as Florence Paine (sic) QMar 1895 Cardiff, 11a,317, born 3 Dec 1894. I am still making enquiries with Cheltenham College (she worked in one of their boarding houses) in case they have any relevant archival records.
James Payne also had a much younger sister called Florence, born 1 Feb 1890 in Cardiff. In the 1901 census she is in a children's home in Albany Road Cardiff, but I cannot find her in the 1911 census.
I know with certainty from the record of my father in law's adoption hearing in 1929, when he was 14, that his natural mother was a member of this Payne family, whose 'matriarch' was Frances Payne nee Salter, because her daughter (Drusilla) Eliza, who became Eliza Skinner, gives evidence. What I don't know is which of these two Florence Paynes was his mother, although the evidence favours Florie/Florence b.1894 because Eliza Skinner says that the mother of the child was her brother's daughter rather than her younger sister.
I really need family or other connections that will fill in crucial gaps between 1911 and 1915, when the right Florence Payne produced baby Arthur James Payne in Moira Terrace, Cardiff, on 5 May 1915. I also don't know what happened to her afterwards, except that in the adoption hearing she is said to have died at least four years before 1929. The only plausible death record I found so far is one in 1920 in Witney, Oxfordshire, which is not her. I do though have a possible photograph of her, so if anyone does come up with anything from family or local sources there is a chance of confirmation.