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by mrsbruso 
, Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 01:21 (5098 days ago)
I have been tabling all the various threads relating to Brown/Phipps,and I think I may be a bit confused. This is what I am showing so far . . .
Starting with James Riley BROWN, bap 1865, his parents are James BROWN (b. 1842) and Frances Elizabeth PHIPPS married Parkend 1864. Frances is the daughter of George PHIPPS (b. 1817) and Mary ADAMS (b. 1822), married Dec 22, 1845 at Parkend. George is the son on William PHIPPS (haven't gone further back than that yet) and Anne WAITE, married at AWRE 1815.
James BROWN (b. 1842) is the son of James BROWN (b. 1813, Newland) and Eliza PHIPPS (bap. 28 March 1813), Married 24 December 1834, Newland Eliza is the daughter of Thomas PHIPPS and Sarah STEPHENS, married 15 Jan 1811. James is the son of Thomas Brown and Elizabeth KEAR, married Sept 10, 1805, Newland. Thomas is the son of Joseph BROWN (b. 1752) and Elizabeth GRIFFITHS, (b. 1762) married 5 July 1785 . . .
James Riley BROWN (1865)was married to Julia Martha JOHNSON, b, 1865, daughter of Benjamin JOHNSON (b. 1824) and Anne KEAR (b. 1826), married 29 March, 1845, daughter of Benjamin KEAR and Charlotte ROBERTS, Benjamin is the son of Richard KEAR and Esther HARRIS, and Richard is the son of John KEAR and SARAH (?)
I think there's some connection between our families through the STEPHENS and/or GRIFFITHS lines, and I'll try to work that out later, but I wondered if I was making some sort of error with the number of KEARS and PHIPPS I am finding in non-linear progression throughout the tree . . .
And with the exception of my great uncle Jim (whose name was really Thomas), a rebel who named his son Cyril(?!!), there doesn't appear to be anyone connected to my tree anywhere there shows any inclination to name their children much of anything except Sarah, Anne, Elizabeth, William, Richard, James or George, with the occaisional Charles for light relief ... The few Benjamins and Charlotte showed a certain maverick tendency within the ranks . . .
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by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 08:02 (5098 days ago) @ mrsbruso
I haven't drawn any charts but this seems to "hang" together......
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=entry&id=24537
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by AnneRafferty , Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 09:17 (5098 days ago) @ mrsbruso
Hi
Frances Phipps married James Brown 17 Jan 1864 at Parkend. Her parents were George Phipps b. 26.3.1822 and Charlotte Kear baptised 24.5.1825. They married at St Briavels 15.4.1843. George and Charlotte are my GGGrandparents.
As far as James Brown who married Frances is concerned, I am inclined to his parents being James Brown(1820-1848) and Margaret Phipps (1820-1886) Margaret married George Wintle after James died. This James Brown was baptised at Bream 1 Jan 1843. I know a lot of trees have the parents as James Brown and Eliza Phipps.
Regards
Anne
I have been tabling all the various threads relating to Brown/Phipps,and I think I may be a bit confused. This is what I am showing so far . . .
Starting with James Riley BROWN, bap 1865, his parents are James BROWN (b. 1842) and Frances Elizabeth PHIPPS married Parkend 1864. Frances is the daughter of George PHIPPS (b. 1817) and Mary ADAMS (b. 1822), married Dec 22, 1845 at Parkend. George is the son on William PHIPPS (haven't gone further back than that yet) and Anne WAITE, married at AWRE 1815.James BROWN (b. 1842) is the son of James BROWN (b. 1813, Newland) and Eliza PHIPPS (bap. 28 March 1813), Married 24 December 1834, Newland Eliza is the daughter of Thomas PHIPPS and Sarah STEPHENS, married 15 Jan 1811. James is the son of Thomas Brown and Elizabeth KEAR, married Sept 10, 1805, Newland. Thomas is the son of Joseph BROWN (b. 1752) and Elizabeth GRIFFITHS, (b. 1762) married 5 July 1785 . . .
James Riley BROWN (1865)was married to Julia Martha JOHNSON, b, 1865, daughter of Benjamin JOHNSON (b. 1824) and Anne KEAR (b. 1826), married 29 March, 1845, daughter of Benjamin KEAR and Charlotte ROBERTS, Benjamin is the son of Richard KEAR and Esther HARRIS, and Richard is the son of John KEAR and SARAH (?)
I think there's some connection between our families through the STEPHENS and/or GRIFFITHS lines, and I'll try to work that out later, but I wondered if I was making some sort of error with the number of KEARS and PHIPPS I am finding in non-linear progression throughout the tree . . .
And with the exception of my great uncle Jim (whose name was really Thomas), a rebel who named his son Cyril(?!!), there doesn't appear to be anyone connected to my tree anywhere there shows any inclination to name their children much of anything except Sarah, Anne, Elizabeth, William, Richard, James or George, with the occaisional Charles for light relief ... The few Benjamins and Charlotte showed a certain maverick tendency within the ranks . . .
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by mrsbruso , Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 13:00 (5098 days ago) @ AnneRafferty
Hi, Anne.
I have Anne Kear (as Julia Martha Johnson's mother), with parents Benjamin KEAR and CHARLOTTE ROBINS, with Anne bap Feb 26, 1826, and her parents married at Newland May 11, 1816 . . .
Okay. I think I know where I went wrong. I had Frances Elizabeth PHIPPS, James BROWN's wife as the child of George PHIPPS and Mary ADAMS . . . I missed the second George Phipps with a daughter named Frances . . .if I had been using the regular search feature instead of the advanced I would have realised that Frances died as an infant. Oops.
I've been trying to make the STEPHENS/GRIFFITHS connection, and the KEAR family appear as witnesses at famiy weddings, plus the connection to James Riley BROWN, but despite making three charts (Brown/Johnson became too unweildy very quickly) so I started new ones just for the Browns and then the Johnson's. . .
I am having trouble making the Stephen's link, as Richard STEPHENS has only two daughters of whom I am aware, and I haven't been able to follow his line backward; and with GRIFFITHS at the moment there's an embarrassment of riches and I need to narrow the field a bit, which is a bit tedious.
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by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 13:47 (5098 days ago) @ mrsbruso
Okay. I think I know where I went wrong.
very easy to do !
Frances PHIPPS grandfather is possibly an Isaac KEAR !!
are all the KEAR, PHIPPS, BROWN, STEPHENS etc branches starting to gel ?
back to Richard Stephen CLARK ????
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tout le gange
by mrsbruso , Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 14:53 (5098 days ago) @ slowhands
I didn't even chart out all the Kears who married Morgans . . . Or all the Isaacs and Georges. I have some family groups start3ed but they keep bisecting! I think my chart is turning into a helix. And I know the connection is there somewhere. It has to be the Clarke/Griffith/Stephens side and not, I think, the Vinings. I think I am missing some obvious link here, probably through the KEAR line . . . Since they seem to be related to everyone else five times over. Is it possible to be my own cousin (lol)?
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by mrsbruso , Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 23:40 (5097 days ago) @ slowhands
I won't know for certain until I rechart everything I did last night, but I think her grandfather may have been ENOCH rather than ISAAC. But all roads lead to Rome, or, err, KEAR . . .
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by AnneRafferty , Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 15:09 (5098 days ago) @ mrsbruso
Hi MrsB
The Phipps and Kear families are so intertwined its difficult to sort them all out.
Charlotte Kear's parents were Enoch Kear (1800-1857) and Mary Baldwin b. abt 1804. Enoch's parents were Enoch Kear (1771-1845) and Hannah Hawkins (1775-1848)
I've come across 2 Griffiths while researching my Phipps family.
1. Mary Griffiths (1867-1944) who married Thomas Phipps (1860-1922) Thomas was brother to Frances.
2. John Griffiths (b. abt 1817-1900) who married Hephzibah Hook b. 1820. Hephzibar Hook was the daughter of George Hook (abt. 1797-1825) and another Charlotte Kear (!) This Charlotte (1798-1885) was sister to Enoch Kear b. 1800 and so auntie to the first Charlotte.
I've only come across one Stephens and that is Sarah (abt. 1791-1855) who married Thomas Phipps (1791-1871) This Thomas was the son of Thomas Phipps b. abt 1764 and Eleanor Taylor who are a bit distant from my direct Phipps.
Regards
Anne
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by mrsbruso , Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 15:27 (5098 days ago) @ AnneRafferty
Anne, thanks. That info should give me a good leg up on things . . . There's also the Griffiths (a widow) who married George Kear. Poor dear married at least three times, possibly four depending on whether her birth name was JAMES or not. If that's not the triumph of hope over experience I don't know what is!