Birt JONES, John JONES - where are they? (General)
hi all
I have a marriage certificate here, details:
12 June 1916 Registry Office, Westbury on Severn, Gloucester.
Birt JONES, age 21, Bachelor. Collier. Morse Road, Drybrook. Father John JONES, Collier.
Mary COOPEY, age 18, spinster. Morse Road. No father given (but I have found her father, it is Tom Cook Mansell)
Witnesses were the mark of John Jones, and Jno J Carefield.
Herbert H S Morse, Deputy Registrar and Maurice F Carter Sup. Registrar.
I am trying to find Birt and his family on the 1901, 1911 census but I can't find any families that look even remotely right.
Out of interest, where would the register office have been?
Many thanks
Rachel
Birt JONES 1895, John JONES - on Ruardean Hill !
by slowhands 
, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, January 24, 2011, 12:43 (5057 days ago) @ Rachandgarry
More non- conformists!
Registry Office - down the hill in Westbury or possibly in Cinderford - not sure when that office opened.
Name: Birt Jones
Spouse: Mary Coopey
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916
Registration district: Westbury-On-Severn
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 628
1911
JONES JOHN M 1853 58 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
JONES EMMA F 1854 57 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
JONES BERTIE M 1895 16 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
1901
John Jones abt 1855 Ruardean Hill Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Jones abt 1853 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
William J Jones abt 1880 Harrow On The Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Berty Jones abt 1895 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Name: Bertie Jones
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 254
Year: 1895
Month: Apr
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Bertie
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Emma
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: T.R.Maland
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 1895 Mar 17
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598/3/5
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist
1891
John Jones abt 1854 Woodside, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Jones abt 1854 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Jones abt 1873 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Jones abt 1881 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Jones abt 1883 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick Jones abt 1875 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
1881
John Jones abt 1854 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Jones abt 1853 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Edith Jones abt 1873 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick Jones abt 1875 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
William James Jones abt 1880 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Westbury On Severn - East Dean, Gloucestershire
Name: John Jones
name: Emma Parsons
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 419
Year: 1872
Month: Jul
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: East Dean
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: PARSONS
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: East Dean
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Parsons
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of James Jones
Witness_2: Lucey Parsons
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Lockett
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P85/1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 73
Parish_Chapel: Cinderford St John
1861 Ruardean Hill
James Pardans abt 1825 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Staffden Pardans abt 1827 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Pardans abt 1848 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Pardans abt 1852 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son East Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Pardans abt 1855 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Selina Pardans abt 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Pardans abt 1860 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
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Birt JONES, John JONES - on Ruardean Hill !
by Paul Andrews , Shropshire, England, Monday, January 24, 2011, 12:54 (5057 days ago) @ slowhands
Record_ID: 173164
Entry_Number: 139
Year: 1895
Month: Apr
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Bertie
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Emma
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean
Occupation: Miner
Officiating_Minister: T.R.Maland
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 1895 Mar 17
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598/3/5
Page_Number: 18
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist
1911 Census:
Spout House, Morse Road, Nr. Mitcheldean, Glos
RG14PN15226 RG78PN921 RD323 SD2 ED4 SN239
John Jones - Head - 58 - Married - Collier - Worker - East Dean, Glos
Emma Jones - Wife - 57 - Married - Housewife - East Dean, Glos
Bertie Jones - Son - 16 - Single - Collier - Worker - East Dean, Glos
This record shows John and Emma married for 40 years, seven children were born, five are still living and two have died.
Birt JONES, John JONES - on Ruardean Hill !
Wow, thats a lot of info! Thank you! (and isn't it nice to actually have a house name for once, not just "ruardean hill" hehe!)
Is there any way I could connect this 'Bertie' as being my 'Birt' for definite?
Thanks so much,
Rachel
Birt JONES, 1895- on Ruardean Hill !
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, January 24, 2011, 15:27 (5056 days ago) @ Rachandgarry
Is there any way I could connect this 'Bertie' as being my 'Birt' for definite?
Definite - DNA probably the only way but pretty hard to apply in hindsight :-)
"most probable" or "best fit" - I guess you'll just have to trust the experience and instinct of others until such time as other evidence either adds weight to this or destroys it... Family bibles, wills/ probate etc
The address and combination John/Bert narrows this down even with the Jones surname :-)
Do you have his death cert ? if the birth date ( if given) is the same then that would tend to add more weight.
Name: Bertie Jones
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 254
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Birt JONES, 1895- on Ruardean Hill !
Hiya
I haven't been able to track his death yet, its too common a name with too many permutations :-(
I know it was between 1927 and 1942, but thats all I know. I can't even be sure it was in the forest, as I have no record of them after 1927. My grandfather moved to London at some point, marrying my Nan there in 1942. Whether he left alone or the whole family went, I have no idea. :-(
Thanks again for your help.
Rachel
Birt JONES, 1895- on Ruardean Hill !
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, January 24, 2011, 17:33 (5056 days ago) @ Rachandgarry
Deaths for a Bert/Birt JONES born around 1895 in period 1927 -1944
Deaths Jun 1927 (>99%)
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Jones Bertie 32 Llandovery 11a 1127
Deaths Mar 1931 (>99%)
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Jones Bertie 36 Pembroke 11a 1700
Deaths Jun 1936 (>99%)
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Jones Bertie 42 Liverpool N. 8b 547
Deaths Mar 1937 (98%)
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Jones Bertie 48 Westbury S. 6a 433
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Garnet JONES 1918 - 1994 Pillowell (?)
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, January 24, 2011, 17:12 (5056 days ago) @ slowhands
Jones/Mansell offspring
Thomas J Jones Jan Feb Mar 1917 Westbury S Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Albert S Jones Apr May Jun 1918 Monmouth Wales
Garnet Jones Apr May Jun 1918 Monmouth Wales
Jones/Coopey offspring
Gwendoline E M Jones Apr May Jun 1925 Westbury S Gloucestershire, Shropshire, Herefordshire
Name: Garnet Jones
Spouse : Joyce M Jones
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940
Registration district: Forest of Dean
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 1273
Year: 1940
Month: Sep
Day: 28
Grooms_Surname: JONES
Grooms_Forenames: Garnet
Grooms_Age: 22
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Moulder
Grooms_Residence: Level Yard Pillowell
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Miner
Brides_Surname: JONES
Brides_Forenames: Joyce Muriel
Brides_Age: 20
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: 15 Severn Road
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Jones
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Alfred Edwin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Engineer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Raymond Stanley Wheeler
Witness_2: Frances Kathleen Jones
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: L P Jones Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 60
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Name: Garnet Jones
Birth Date: 28 May 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1994
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Cheltenham
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register number: A45D
District and Subdistrict: 4791A
Entry number: 4
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