1841 census check please Eliza Jones

Who is with Eliza Jones on this image, is it Lucy and who is the lady with them?... can't make out her name..

Eliza Jones age 15

HO107; Piece 365; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Hewelsfield; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 4; Folio: 19; Page: 4; Line: 25;

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Simone x

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Writing looks like Louiza at a best guess {Luiza, Luiya etc }

Ancestry has it as
1841 Extraparochial area near Brockweir Common
Ester Goughs abt 1786 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire
Luega Jones abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire (fs - female servant ?)
Eliza Jones abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Hewelsfield, Gloucestershire (fs - female servant ?)

May be she is :-
Year: 1834
Month: Mar
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: JONES
Child_Forenames: Louisa
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Hudnals
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 81
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels

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Louisa Jones b1834 Hudnalls, St Briavels. Parents Richard & Ann Jones are in My Tree.
Louisa died Dec 1835 (see Burials for St Briavels) aged 1yr 9 months.

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Thanks Alison :)

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This is from the transcript which you can search on this site:

JONES Eliza 15 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES Eliza 15 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES Jane 1 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES Louisa 6 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES Susan 30 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES Thomas 45 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES Thomas 5 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19
JONES William 3 BROCKWEIR COMMON 3 365/7 19

Mike

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Thanks Slowhands & Mike:)

Simone x

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??? - another option - but may be 'flawed'

FOD records, Clearwell

Louisa Esther JONES - christened 15 March 1835, at Clearwell St Peter Chapel

parents Samuel (Shoemaker) and Maria JONES

and Albert - 14 May 1837

although this would mean Louisa JONES is on the 1841 Census (twice), but not unknown

1841 Census Clearwell

Samual JONES - 35 - Shoemaker
Moriah JONES - 30
Louisa JONES - 6
Albert JONES - 4
Sarah JONES - 1

1851 Census, Newland
Private House

JONES

Samuel - 48 - Shoemaker & Farmer 60 acres, born Newland
Maria - 45 - (c1805) born Huesfield * possible parents Samuel & Hester PALMER - FOD records - Hewlesfield
Louisa - 16 - Assisting Mother
Josiah - 11
Milton - 9
George - 5

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Samuel PALMER, Bachelor (Newland) married Esther MORGAN (Spinster) Newland - 22 November 1801, at Newland

witnesses: James MORGAN and Thos. BOND

Children of Samuel & Esther PALMER - Hewlesfield (FOD records)

Maria - 1805
Mary Ann - 1815
Anne - 1802
Samuel - 1803
Luisa - 1808

FOD records, Samuel PALMER died 3 July 1817 - address Hewlesfield, age 54 years (St Briavels)

Marriage at Hewlesfield, 15 June 1818

Richard WORGAN GOUGH married Esther PALMER (Wid)

Marriage on FOD records - 22 April 1833

Samuel JONES (Bachelor) residence Newland in this County
married
Maria PALMER (Spinster) of this parish by Banns

one witness: Samuel PALMER & Lu(illegible) PALMER

Samuel PALMER married Mary JONES - 21 May 1833 St Briavels

back to the 1841 census with Esther GOUGH and Luisa 6 and Eliza 15

1851 Censsus Hewlesfield

Esther GLOUGH age 68, Landed Proprietor, born St Briavels

??? 1861 Census St Briavels

Esther GOUGH (Head) Widow, age 79 Landed Proprietor, born St Briavels

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1841 findmypast has that name as Lucya.

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re: witness at wedding of Samuel JONES & Maria PALMER - 22 April 1833

Luisa PALMER christened 1808 - parents Samuel & Esther PALMER (Hewlesfield)

FOD records

Marriage at Penalt, Monmouth, 30 May 1841

George SPENCER, full bachelor, farmer - Grooms Residence, Penalt
father : Edney SPENCER, farmer

married

Louisa PALMER, spinster, father Samuel PALMER, farmer

signed: Henry PAGE and Matilda SPENCER

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1851 Census, Hewlesfield

George SPENCER, - 48 farmer 17 acres of land
Lewea SPENCER - 53

living next door on Thomas & Susan JONES on the 1861 census, Hewlesfield

George SPENCER - 48, Farmer
Luiza SPENCER - 53

1871 Census, Hewlesfield

George SPENCER 65, born Hewlesfield
Louise SPENCER - 63 - born Hewlesfield

1881 Census, Hewlesfield,

George SPENCER, 65 - farmer 15 acres & Louisa 72

1891 Census, Hewlesfield

George SPENCER 78, and Louesia - 83 (George buried 14 June 1896 age 84)

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Thanks for all that, definitely Esther Gough on image as you say.. I can see it now :)... I need to regroup and think about this!

I have found a Samuel Jones and Maria next to the Eliza I though was mine in 1841, but he works in Tin factory.

HO107; Piece 364; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Dean Forest; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 41; Page: 7

Samuel Jones 45
Maria Jones 28
Hannah Jones 14
Joseph Jones 11
Elizabeth Jones 4
Mary Jones 65
Eliza Jones 19
Sarah Jones 4
Noah Jones 6 MO

previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=30030

Another clue?
In 1881 Eliza and her husband Thomas Howell living at Winalls Hill, Lane End have John Hale, 18, lodger with them. RG11; Piece: 5225; Folio: 21; Page: 7

John's parents look like they may be John Hale and Sarah Jones m 1845, could Sarah be sister to Eliza? Unfortunately marriage not on here :(, registrar attended on Gloucs BMD. Would be goos to know who Sarah names as dad.

getting more confused by the minute, but sort of thinking the Hewelsfield one may not be mine? still leaning toward the one above with baby Noah who died, and then she called another son Noah. can't woek out who that 4 year old Sarah is though..

Thanks again

Simone x

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Gloucestershire pre1800 Marriage Index CD

Christopher JONES married Hannah TERRETT - 24 May 1798, Glos. St Mary de Crypt * see baptism at Ruardean of Thomas TERRETT JONES - 11 October 1799

Hannah TERRETT, christened 4 September 1774, Ruardean, parents Thomas & Winny TERRETT

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On FOD records, Winifred JONES, gives birth to an ils Son, Christopher JONES at Coleford 2 February 1835.

and FOD records Winifred JONES (Much Marcle) marries Thomas PRESLEY (Much Marcle) at Gloucester St John the Baptist - 8 April 1837

FOD records

Winny JONES christened - 20 May 1804, at Ruardean, Christopher JONES & HANNAH
Mary JONES - christened - 23 October 1804 ditto

1871 Herefordshire Much Marcle

Thomas PRESLEY - 61 - born Somerset, Bath
Winifred PRESLEY - 64, born Glos. Haresfield

Mary JONES christened 4 November 1810, Much Marcle, Hereford, parents Christopher JONES & Hannah

1841 Herefordshire, Marcle Much

Christopher JONES - 65, Farmer, not born in County
Hannah JONES - 60 - not born in County

1851 Census, Herefordshire, Much Marcle

Listed as RESLEY
Ryemeadow

Thomas Hardy RESLEY - 40, Wireworker, born Somerset, Bath
Winfred RESLEY - 44 - born, Glos. Haresfield
Hannah Bella RESLEY - 10, born Glos. City
Louisa Winifred RESLEY - 4 - born Haresfield Much Marcle
Thomas JONES - either 52 or 32 (very thick writing) - born Haresfield, farmer of 120 acres, employing 1 boy

Thomas Terrett JONES - christened 11 October 1799 Ruardean, (from Haresfield) parents Christopher & Hannah.

It would appear! that Christopher & Hannah JONES, were in Ruardean early 1800's - and moved to Herefordshire, Much Marcle.

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Thanks for that.. think I may have to get the marriage for John Hale to Sarah Jones, and take it from there.. maybe she has same dad as Eliza..

really appreciate your help :) will keep hold of these details... seems to be the only Christopher around doesn't he!

Simone x

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