VOYCE Thomas b 1845 d 1923 of Coleford - parents

I've come to a deadend with Thomas Voyce b 1845 in West Dean and d 1923 in Coleford. He was a coal miner and married Sarah Burton b 1853 and d 1933. Many of his children emigrated to Seymour Iowa. I'm looking to trace his parents and ancestors. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thomas is my husbands great grandfather. thanks Bonnie in the US

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Hi Bonnie

Is no father named on marriage to Sarah?

Wondering about this family from parish records on here and census-

possible baptism Christchurch, West Dean, for Thomas

50649
Entry Number 47
Year 1846
Month Dec
Day 27
Parents Surname VOICE
Child Forenames Thomas
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Marianne
Mothers Surname
Residence Lane End
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister Edw[ard]d Machen Off[iciating] Min[iste]r
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference PFC82 IN 1/3
Page Number 6
Parish Chapel Christchurch

marriage of Marianne/ Mary Ann
12794
Entry Number 449
Year 1849
Month Feb
Day 17
Grooms Surname ROBERTS
Grooms Forenames Benjamin
Grooms Age of full age
Groom Condition Bachelor
Grooms Occupation Stone cutter
Grooms Residence Lane End Coalway
Grooms Fathers Surname Roberts
Grooms Fathers Forenames William
Grooms Fathers Occupation Stone cutter
Brides Surname VOICE
Brides Forenames Mary Ann
Brides Age of full age
Brides Condition Spinster
Brides Occupation none stated
Brides Residence Lane End Coalway
Brides Fathers Surname Voice
Brides Fathers Forenames George
Brides Fathers Occupation Collier
Licence or Banns Banns
Date of Banns
Signature or Mark He marks she signs
Witness 1 Benjamin Wheeler
Witness 2 Hannah Morgan
Other Witnesses
Officiating Minister George Ridout Vicar
Event Marriage
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P227 IN 1/12
Page Number 225
Parish Chapel Newland

1851 census
Five Acres, West Dean
HO107; Piece: 2444; Folio: 297; Page: 23
Benjamin Roberts 22 Coal Miner, b West Dean
Marianne Roberts 24 b West Dean
Thomas Roberts 4 b West Dean
Amelia Roberts 1 b West Dean

1861 census
Teagues Pit
RG9; Piece: 3983; Folio: 5; Page: 12
Benjamin Roberts 31
Mary Ann Roberts 33
Thomas Roberts 14 coal miner
Amelia Roberts 11
Charles Roberts 9
William Roberts 7
Lydia Roberts 4
Benjamin Roberts 2

1871- Thomas no longer with them
RG10; Piece: 5300; Folio: 33; Page: 12
Benjamin Roberts 43
Mary Ann Roberts 45
Charles Roberts 19
William Roberts 17
Lydia Roberts 14
Benjamin Roberts 12
Fanny Roberts 10
Harriet Roberts 9
Emma Roberts 3

Simone

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I'm coming to believe that Thomas Voyce was born to MaryAnn Voice out of wedlock. She then married Benjamin ROberts and Thomas Voyce (b ~ 1845 d 1923) was raised as his step son. In addition to what information Simone provide, there is also information from Benjamin's will, it lists all his children and wife with relationships provided but for Thomas Voyce, no relationship was provided. See below. MaryAnn's father was George Voice so that provides the link backwards in the Voice line but we don't know Thomas Voyce real biologic father. I may request Thomas's official marriage or birth certificate to see if they shed any light on this. Simone, your help is hugely appreciated as it got me thinking in a different way. The comments on the first child of Thomas Voyce and Sarah BUrton regarding Roberts/Voyce is also supportive of this line of thinking. Bonnie

Will number 01981
Surname Forename Role Relationship Will Name
BROWN Frederick Executor ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
GAUDERN Owen James Witness ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ADAMS Henry Witness ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
VOYCE Thomas Beneficiary ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
BROWN John Executor ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Amelia Beneficiary Daughter ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Charles Beneficiary Son ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Emma Beneficiary Daughter ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Fanny Beneficiary Daughter ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Harriet Beneficiary Daughter ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Lydia Beneficiary Daughter ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End
ROBERTS Mary Ann Beneficiary Wife ROBERTS Benjamin: Broadwell Lane End

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In a 1986 letter I have from Somerset Herald, who were doing research on this family, it states Henry Cooper is named on the birth certificate of Thomas. It also states he was the illegitimate son of Marianne/Mary Ann. She did marry the Benjamin Roberts referred to in these posts and George & Hannah were her parents and James & Anne of Berry Hill were his parents.

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A possible Henry Cooper

Year: 1819
Month: Mar
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: COOPER
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Joyford
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: P.M.Procter Offg.Minr.
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P138 in 1/5
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: English Bicknor

1841 Shortstanding
Richard Cooper abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Harriet Cooper abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Henery Cooper abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Richard Cooper abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Mary Cooper abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Hannah Cooper abt 1833 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

1851
Richard Cooper abt 1788 E Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Hannah Cooper abt 1789 Rueardean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henry Cooper abt 1821 E Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Cooper abt 1786 E Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Hawkins abt 1823 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire

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Glad you're getting somewhere with it all Bonnie :) further info from Ivon looks good too.

Simone x

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1841 Scowles
William Roberts abt 1798 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Roberts abt 1794 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
James Roberts abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Roberts abt 1829 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
William Roberts abt 1832 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Roberts abt 1835 Gloucestershire, England Newland, Gloucestershire

Year: 1846
Month: Dec
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: VOICE
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Marianne
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lane End
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: Edw[ard]d Machen Off[iciating] Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1851 Five Acres
Benjamin Roberts abt 1829 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Marianne Roberts abt 1827 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Roberts abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Roberts abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1861 Christchurch
Benjamin Roberts abt 1830 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Roberts abt 1828 Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Roberts abt 1847 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amelia Roberts abt 1850 West Dean Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Charles Roberts abt 1852 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Roberts abt 1854 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lydia Roberts abt 1857 West Dean Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Benjamin Roberts abt 1859 West Dean Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871 Braodwell Lane End
Hubert Hawkins 24
Fanny Hawkins 20
Henry Hawkins 1
Thomas Roberts 24

VOICE Thomas
BURTON Sarah
Forest of Dean
Monmouth Register Office
Year 1871
Reg 7
Entry 180

1881
Thomas Voyce abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Newland, Gloucestershire
Sarah Voyce abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Fanny Voyce abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Sidney Voyce abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Emma Voyce abt 1877 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
Annie Voyce Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire

1891
Thomas Voyce abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Voyce abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Voyce abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sydney Voyce abt 1875 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Annie Voyce abt 1881 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
William Voyce abt 1883 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Voyce abt 1884 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Voyce abt 1887 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elton Voyce abt 1890 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1901
Thomas Voyce abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Monmouthshire
Sarah Voyce abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Monmouthshire
Annie Voyce abt 1881 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Monmouthshire
William Voyce abt 1883 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Tom Voyce abt 1884 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
George Voyce abt 1887 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Elton Voyce abt 1890 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Ben Voyce abt 1892 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire
Birt Voyce abt 1898 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Monmouthshire

1911
VOYCE THOMAS M 1847 64 Monmouth Monmouthshire
VOYCE SARAH F 1855 56 Monmouth Monmouthshire
VOYCE BERT M 1898 13 Monmouth Monmouthshire
VOYCE MARGARY F 1895 16 Monmouth Monmouthshire

Year: 1923
Month: Feb
Day: 11
Surname: VOYCE
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Collier
Age_at_death: 76
Officiating_Minister: Rev[eren]d W G Brown
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Broadwell Lane End (2) [not stated] (3) M 7 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25 / 204 / 30
Page_No: 37
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

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non-conventional if not non-conformist hints here {lack of transcribed BMD events ?} ...

Name: Anne Gwynn
Name: George Burton
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 88A

1841
Ann Gwynn abt 1776 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
George Bowton abt 1816 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire
Ann Burton abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest, Gloucestershire

Name: Fanny Burton
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 92

1851 Lane End
Ann Grays abt 1773 Bicknor, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
George Burton abt 1817 Henbury, Worcestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Burton abt 1811 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Wife (Lodger's Wife) West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Burts [BURTON] abt 1842 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harry Burts [BURTON]abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Burts [BURTON] abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Name: Female Burton
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 21

1861 Lane End
George Burton abt 1818 Leominster, Herefordshire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Burton abt 1816 Newland, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Henery Burton abt 1846 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Fanny Burton abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Sarah Burton abt 1854 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

1871
George Burton 52
Ann Burton 62
Sarah Burton 17

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The Baptism record for Thomas Voice seems possible - is it common for VOICE to turn into VOYCE in later generations?

thomas Voyce is buried in Coleford Cemetery in an "unconsecrated" area. Does that mean he wasn't baptized? last time I looked there was no marriage certificate for him and Sarah Burton who is also buried in Coleford Cemetery in an "unconsecrated" grave. If unconsecrated means no baptism then the record which was found probably isn't correct - though the location in lane end is consistent with Thomas and sarah's residence for their first few children's birth.

A few of their first children born, were baptized in Christchurch, so these records that Simone and Slowhands found for the baptism could be correct. I suspect that Thomas and Sarah were married around 1870 as their first child was born in 1872 (Fanny). In Fanny Voyce's baptism record there is a memorandum that indicates [Surname given an ROBERTS otherwise VOYCE}. The second child, Sydney didn't have such a memorandum on his baptism record.

THus I'm not certain what to make of the "unconsecrated" graves and the memoranda on Fanny's parish record for baptism.

Thanks for your further thoughts. Bonnie

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"unconsecrated" grave - possibly means that he has taken up non-conformist worship i.e. Baptist / Methodist.

As for Voyce/Voice - as I often write - just keep an open mind about spellings - the "sound" is often more important

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Hi,
My grandmother was Fanny Voice b. 1872. She had a twin sister Lucy. Parents Jonas Voice and Elizabeth (Morse) Voice. I notice on various things I have read where 'another' Fanny, same age was present. I think it was the 1881 census. Bit of a coincidence!

Regards
Karen
Queensland, Australia

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from FREEBMD- Dec q 1871

Marriages Dec 1871
Burton Sarah Monmouth 11a 68
Voice Thomas Monmouth 11a 68

also on Gloucs BMD

VOICE Thomas
BURTON Sarah
Forest of Dean
Monmouth Register Office
1871
Register 7
Entry 180

As Slowhands said, I wouldn't worry about the 'unconsecrated' grave. I have definite family baptised but buried in unconsecrated, this is something I also queried in a previous thread

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=29956
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Also the burials I have, most of which are the children in the family, but there is one for dad too, are mixed between being buried in unconsecrated and consecrated. Why would that be? e.g Jane Howell not baptised was buried in consecrated ground, wheras Raymond who was baptised was buried in unconsecrated ground. Dad Evan was baptised but buried in unconsecrated ground. Does the baptism have any bearing on the issue?

Simone

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Thanks to everyone who helped me advance the lineage backwards - will investigate further! I've got a photo taken of Thomas Voyce, his wife and children that I will send to the site for posting - taken in the early 1900-1905 as a good estimate. Bonnie

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Hello, sorry I cant help you with your research as im just starting out myself my name is William Voyce and I live in Ludlow England. I do know that the Voyce/Voice clan came over in 1066 from the village of Voise in Normandy, so the name was Anglisised and neither spelling is correct. Just to say hi really and best wishes and good luck!
BILL VOYCE

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Bill and others - thanks for the information. I've done quite a bit of work on Thomas and descendants and have compiled information on Thomas Voyce and his family that came to the US - mostly Seymour Iowa but one son found his way to Washington State and was a State Senator for a short while. Most came over as coal miners - owning their own mine for awhile until the union burnt it up. I'm hugely appreciative of what folks have been able to provide on the ancestry and where the group originated from - all this is new to me. Really terrific to see. Bonnie

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Hi Bill,
My grandmother etc. were all Voice. Seemed to change to Voyce about 1900. The first one I have found that seems to belong is William Voice b. 12.01.1772 in Longhope. (Married Elizabeth Anderson on 18,19,1790. Is this your family:

I would love to be wandering around the Forest of Dean instead of trying to put the pieces together from Queensland, Australia.
Karen

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hi KAREN,good to hear from you, i just moved house and my stuttering search has spluttered to a stop. There were Voyce,s in SUSSEX and in GLOUCS in the 1500s, I believe the spellings were down to lack of literacy and local accents. I hope your search goes well. Bill.

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Hi Bonnie,
I was looking on 1861 census for George Whetstone spelt whetstine on the census.On checking my ancesters names there was a John Voyce living with them,aged 74 East Dean,reg district westbury on Severn. Just thought i would pass this on to you,. may help in the future.

Regards Rod.

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Looking at Gloucestershire BDM

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/ ??

Thomas COOPER - 1846 Monmouth Coleford, mother's surname VOICE

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Yes I agree and found this as well. I plan to order the record. Thanks Bonnie

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VOYCE Thomas b 1845 d 1923 of Coleford - parents (General)

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VOYCE/ VOICE Thomas -stepfather Ben ROBERTS?

VOYCE/ VOICE Thomas -stepfather Ben ROBERTS?

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