Birthplace Glam Pen____

Hi All
Must say that this is one of the best research sites I have come across and must congratulate all who contribute. This is my first post and hope someone may be able to help. I have had Beavingtons 1851 census CD for some years but have continually come to a dead end trying to locate my grandfather Frederick Thomas. I am trying to get as many clues as possible before I can post more details here for any much appreciated help. I may have located his father / grandfather on 1851 census CD showing James Thomas:age 36: carpenter: birthplace Glam Pen____:. Would anyone have any ideas where Glam Pen___ is please ? Thanks in anticipation

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{working on it, looks like PENMAEN out past Swansea http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Penmaen/
also looks like a non-conformist family - just to add to your woes !}

Name: Amy Priscilla Thomas
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Westbury On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 11
Page: 520

Year: 1844
Month: Jun
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: Amy Priscilla
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: of Cinderford Iron Works
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 23 May 1844
Notes:
Register_Reference: RG4/772
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Wesleyan Methodist

Name: James Aquila Thomas
Year of Registration: 1846
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 80

Year: 1846
Month: Oct
Day: 23
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: James Aquila
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: of Newland
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 23 Sep 1846
Notes:
Register_Reference: RG4/772
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Wesleyan Methodist

1851 Sparrow Hill
James Thomas abt 1815 Penninn, Glamorgan, Wales Head Newland, Gloucestershire Quarry Carpenter
Mary Thomas abt 1815 Warwickshire, England Wife Newland, Gloucestershire
Ruthella Thomas abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Newland, Gloucestershire
James A Thomas abt 1847 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Hall abt 1773 Burston, Herefordshire, England Lodger Newland, Gloucestershire

1861
James Thomas abt 1816 Penmain, Gloucestershire, England Head Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Thomas abt 1827 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Wife Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Amy Rusilla Thomas abt 1845 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
James Agnilla Thomas abt 1847 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Caleb Thomas abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
Mary Jane Thomas abt 1859 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire

1871 Bowens Hill
James Thomas 55 Wales Joiner
Selina Thomas 57 Warwickshire
Caleb Thomas 18
Mary Jane Thomas 12
William Cullis 17
Samuel Constance 24
Annie Marfell 26

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Year: 1877
Month: May
Day: 15
Surname: THOMAS
Forenames: James
Residence: Builder
Age_at_death: 61
Officiating_Minister: Rob[er]t Stevens
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Coleford (2) South Div'n Adults Gr (3) O 20 (4) Unconsecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 23
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery

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Cant see a Frederick yet

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Name:Ellen Eliza Wathen
Name: Caleb Thomas
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 112

1881
Caleb Thomas abt 1853 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Acton, Middlesex
Eliza Ellen Thomas abt 1863 Bristol Wife Acton, Middlesex
James Watken abt 1842 Bristol Father in Law Acton, Middlesex
Emma Watken abt 1839 Bridgewater, Somerset, England Mother in Law Acton, Middlesex
Emily Watken abt 1867 Bristol Sister in Law Acton, Middlesex
Alice Watken abt 1869 Bristol Sister in Law Acton, Middlesex
Caroline Watken abt 1871 Bristol Sister in Law Acton, Middlesex
Ada Florence Watken abt 1873 Bristol Sister in Law Acton, Middlesex
Florence Watken abt 1879 Bristol Sister in Law Acton, Middlesex
Lily Victoria Watken Acton, Middlesex, England Sister in Law Acton, Middlesex

1891
Caleb Thomas abt 1853 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Acton, Middlesex
Ellen Thomas abt 1866 Bristol, Somerset, England Wife Acton, Middlesex
Helen Thomas abt 1884 Midd, Acton Daughter Acton, Middlesex
Elda Thomas abt 1887 Midd, Acton Daughter Acton, Middlesex
Marion Thomas abt 1889 Midd, Acton Daughter Acton, Middlesex

1901
Caleb Thomas abt 1852 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Acton, Middlesex
Ellen Thomas abt 1862 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Wife Acton, Middlesex
Emily Thomas abt 1886 Acton, Middlesex, England Daughter Acton, Middlesex
Marion Thomas abt 1890 Acton, Middlesex, England Daughter Acton, Middlesex
James Thomas abt 1892 Acton, Middlesex, England Son Acton, Middlesex
William Thomas abt 1894 Acton, Middlesex, England Son Acton, Middlesex
Dian Thomas abt 1896 Acton, Middlesex, England Daughter Acton, Middlesex
Arthur Thomas abt 1898 Acton, Middlesex, England Son Acton, Middlesex
Albert Thomas abt 1900 Acton, Middlesex, England Son Acton, Middlesex

1911
THOMAS CALEH M 1851 60 Brentford Middlesex
THOMAS ELLEN F 1863 48 Brentford Middlesex
THOMAS ALBERT M 1900 11 Brentford Middlesex
THOMAS ARTHUR M 1898 13 Brentford Middlesex
THOMAS GLADYS F 1907 4 Brentford Middlesex
THOMAS HELENA F 1884 27 Brentford Middlesex
THOMAS WILLIAM M 1893 18 Brentford Middlesex

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Name: Caleb Thomas
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 62
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 197

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Name: James Aquila Thomas
Name: Rebecca Selina Knight
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 232

1881
James A. Thomas abt 1847 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Head Bristol St George, Gloucestershire Joiner
Rebecca S. Thomas . abt 1849 Cropthorne, Worcestershire, England Wife Bristol St George, Gloucestershire
Mary E. Thomas abt 1876 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Bristol St George, Gloucestershire
Francis J. Thomas abt 1878 Coleford, Gloucestershire, England Son Bristol St George, Gloucestershire
Ethel A. Thomas . abt 1879 Bristol Daughter Bristol St George, Gloucestershire

to Queensland Australia - Electoral roll Oxley and Griffith

Death
James Aquila Thomas 1937
Rebecca Selina Thomas 1945

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Name: Rebecca Selina Knight
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Pershore
County: Hereford and Worcester, Worcestershire
Volume: 18
Page: 484

1851
Joseph Knight abt 1790 Badray, Worcestershire, England Head Cropthorne, Worcestershire
Francis Knight abt 1821 Cropthorne, Worcestershire, England Son Cropthorne, Worcestershire
Ann Knight abt 1820 Elmley Castle, Worcestershire, England Daughter-in-Law Cropthorne, Worcestershire
Rebecca Knight abt 1849 Cropthorne, Worcestershire, England Granddaughter Cropthorne, Worcestershire
Emma Knight abt 1850 Cropthorne, Worcestershire, England Granddaughter Cropthorne, Worcestershire

1861
Francis Knight abt 1821 Cropthorne, Worcestershire, England Head Birmingham, Warwickshire
Ann Knight abt 1820 Emily Caslle, Worcestershire, England Wife Birmingham, Warwickshire
Rebecca Knight abt 1849 Cropthorne, Worcestershire, England Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary Knight abt 1853 Birmingham Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Fanny Knight abt 1856 Birmingham Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire
Laura Knight abt 1859 Birmingham Daughter Birmingham, Warwickshire

1871 Birmingham
Francis Knight 50
Annie Knight 50
Robeka Knight 22
Mary Knight 18
Fanny Knight 15
Laura Knight 11

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Gloucestershire BDM

http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/

Birth Registration

Father's Surname: THOMAS

Mother's Forename: MEREDITH (possible ! father's surname JOHN)

Amy Priscilla - 1844 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn, Newnham

James Aquila - 1846 - Forest of Dean - Monmouth, Coleford

Joseph - 1846 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn, Newham

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???????? on the census James was a Carpenter

Marriage on FOD records - at Monmouth

13 July 1840

James THOMAS - Bachelor - Joiner

Residence: Oxford

father: Thomas THOMAS (Labourer)

married

Mary MEREDITH - Spinster of this Parish

father: John MEREDITH, Horse Keeper

by Banns

mark of Benjamin PRICE and Ellen MASON

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Father's Surname: THOMAS
Mother's Forename: MEREDITH
Amy Priscilla - 1844 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn, Newnham
James Aquila - 1846 - Forest of Dean - Monmouth, Coleford
Joseph - 1846 - Forest of Dean - Westbury on Severn, Newham

Joseph is not from James / Elizabeth

Year: 1847
Month: Jan
Day: 24
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: Joseph
Fathers_Forenames: Joseph
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: of Cinderford
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 28 Dec 1846
Notes:
Register_Reference: RG4/772
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Wesleyan Methodist

1851
Thomas Meredith abt 1791 Little Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Meredith abt 1790 Newnham, Gloucestershire, England Wife East Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Meredith abt 1831 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Eliza Meredith abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Thomas abt 1840 [1847] East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire
Thomas Meredith abt 1840 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Grandson East Dean, Gloucestershire

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Thanks to all for your replies. I'll tell you my story so far. My grandfather was named Frederick Thomas. Married in Rotherham, South Yorks 27th Dec 1891 to Emma Simpson at Rotherham Parish Church. Father's name on certificate given as James Thomas Occ. Carpenter. Fred's age on marriage cert. given as 23 years. Census returns in Rotherham give age 45 on 1911 return born Gloucester, age 33 on 1901 census born Gloucester.
The 1891 census shows him living in Nottingham Street, Rotherham with Henry and Mary Jane Clements, relationship given as boarder born Woolaston age 23 occ. coal miner. Mary Jane's place of birth given as Chepstow Monmouth. Mary Jane Clements was shown as witness on marriage certificate for Frederick and Emma.
Checked for Mary Jane's birth on FOD parish records which turned up Union workhouse Chepstow. Mon 28 Oct 1863. Mother given as Maria Thomas but no father.Mary Jane Thomas married Henry Clements 21st Dec 1879. Father given as James Thomas deceased occ. Soldier. 1881 census shows Mary Jane and Henry Clements in Rotherham with Mary Jane's age given as 19 years.
Checked BMD for Fred all quarters 5 years either side of 1868 without success. There was a likely candidate but he died age 2. Another Frederick born 10th May 1869 with James as father in East Dean was shown on 1901 census still in Westbury on Severn, ages matched. Frederick's birthday is unknown, he died before I was born and there is now no one alive who remembers his birth date as far as I know.
I was doing another search of FOD a couple of days ago when I turned up will for James Thomas occ Carpenter died 10 May 1877 with a Mary Jane as beneficiary. Next jobs to do are sending for birth cert. for Mary Jane and copy will for James. Is Mary Jane, Fred's sister or maybe aunt ?
Any ideas. Thanks again

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I was doing another search of FOD a couple of days ago when I turned up will for James Thomas occ Carpenter died 10 May 1877 with a Mary Jane as beneficiary. Next jobs to do are sending for birth cert. for Mary Jane and copy will for James. Is Mary Jane, Fred's sister or maybe aunt ?

The beneficary could well be James' daughter.

<><><> now to follow Fred and Mary Jane THOMAS

Name: Emma Thomas
Death Registration Month/Year: 1954
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 620

Name: Frederick Thomas
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 1029

1901
Fred Thomas abt 1868 Gloucestershire, England Head Rotherham, Yorkshire
Emma Thomas abt 1875 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Wife Rotherham, Yorkshire
Edith Thomas abt 1892 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Harry Thomas abt 1896 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Son Rotherham, Yorkshire
Clara Thomas abt 1900 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham,

1891
Henry Bibe Clements abt 1859 Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England Head Rotherham, Yorkshire
Mary Jane Clements abt 1864 Chepston, Monmouthshire, Wales Wife Rotherham, Yorkshire
Harriet Clements abt 1881 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Lilly Clements abt 1883 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Rosie Clements abt 1886 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire
Albert Hy Clements abt 1890 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Son Rotherham, Yorkshire
Frederick Thomas abt 1868 Woolaston, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Rotherham, Yorkshire

1881
Henry Clements abt 1859 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head Rotherham, Yorkshire
Mary J. Clements abt 1862 Chepstow, Monmouth, Wales Wife Rotherham, Yorkshire
Harriett Clements Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Daughter Rotherham, Yorkshire

Year: 1879
Month: Dec
Day: 21
Grooms_Surname: CLEMENTS
Grooms_Forenames: Henry
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Coal Miner
Grooms_Residence: Bilson
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Clements
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Coal Miner
Brides_Surname: THOMAS
Brides_Forenames: Mary Jane
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Bilson
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Thomas (deceased)
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Soldier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of Samuel Hall
Witness_2: Mark of Charlotte Davies
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: William Barker Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 175
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

1871 Cinderford - Abbey Rd
Samuel Clements 43
Isabella Clements 45
Samuel Clements 16
Henry B Clements 12
John Clements 11
Thomas Clements 5
Giles Clements 2
Charles Saunders 60
Prior thread for this CLEMENTS family
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=12119

Year: 1863
Month: Oct
Day: 28
Parents_Surname: THOMAS
Child_Forenames: Mary Jane
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Maria
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Union Workhouse
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: d[aughter] o[f]
Notes:
Register_Reference: 1861-1873
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow

Year: 1858
Month: Apr
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: CLEMENTS
Child_Forenames: Henry Bib(?)
Fathers_Forenames: Samuel
Mothers_Forenames: Isabella
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: East Dean
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: T. M. Wetherell
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Priv. Recd into Ch. May 16
Notes:
Register_Reference: P 145 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 44
Parish_Chapel: Flaxley

Possibly Grand Daughter of James if its the one found above.

Possibly sibling for Mary Jane

Year 1867
Month Nov
Day 3
Parents Surname THOMAS
Child Forenames Annie
Fathers Forenames [not stated]
Mothers Forenames Maria
Mothers Surname
Residence Woodcroft
Occupation [not stated]
Officiating Minister E Sellon
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P333/2 IN 1/1
Page Number 22
Parish Chapel Tutshill

Would hope to find Woodcroft in 1871 Tidenham parish - no candidates so far

Taking this line of thought further there is :- long shot Maria's mother ?
Which would explain why it is difficult to make a connection in the 1871 census

Year: 1867
Month: Jun
Day: 25
Surname: THOMAS
Forenames: Ann
Residence: Tutshill
Age_at_death: 40
Officiating_Minister: P Bind
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333/2 IN 1/3
Page_No: 5
Parish_Chapel: Tutshill

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' I was doing another search of FOD a couple of days ago, when I turned up Will for James THOMAS occ Carpenter died 10 May 1877 with a Mary Jane as a beneficiary'

Ancestry - England & Wales National Probate Calendar

Thomas JAMES (effects under £50).

9 November 1877

The Will of James THOMAS late of the Boxbush-road in the Town of Coleford in the County of Gloucester, Carpenter and Builder who died 10 May 1877 at Coleford was proved at Gloucester by Selina THOMAS of Coleford Widow and Relect and James Aquilla THOMAS of Coleford, Carpenter, the Son the Executors.

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Selina (nee KNIGHT) married in J/A/S Qtr 1868 at Monmouth District

FOD records: 23 May 1868 - Coleford, Congregational.

? Death on FreeBDM - J/F/M Qtr 1868 - Monmouth District

Elizabeth THOMAS 43

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1861 Census, Woolaston

Jacob REEKS - 69 - Ag. Lab. - born Woollaston
Elizabeth REEKS - 64 - all born Woollaston
Maria THOMAS - married - Lodger, age 31
Ellin THOMAS - 6
Albert THOMAS - 3 months

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or.............

On the 1891 Census, -

Frederick THOMAS age 23 : 1868 born Woolaston - 1911 census age 45 c 1866

Christening at Woolaston

Frederick Henry COX - 31 December 1865
mother: Amelia (single woman) - (Amelia christened 18 February 1844, Woolaston, Thomas & Lucy) -

1871 Census, Woolaston

High Woolaston

Thomas COX - Head - married age 60, Labourer, Oldbury
Lucy COX - 57 - Brockweir, Cornwall
Alice - Grand-daughter - age 10 - born Chepstow - 16 May 1860 - mother: Elizabeth - at Chepstow (address: Workhouse)
Frederick COX - Grandson - age 5 - born Woolaston

next door

George THOMAS - Married - 75 - labourer, born Worster Head
Mary THOMAS - wife - married 67 - born Nine Woodsgreen
Annie THOMAS - grand-daughter - age 13 - born Park Hill

1871 Census, Glos. St Michael - District 3

Amelia COX - age 27, Domestic Servant (Cook) - born Woolaston, Glos

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1861 Census, Woolaston

Park Hill

George THOMAS - 66 - Landed Proprietor - born Woolaston
Mary THOMAS - 57 - born Tidenham
Abraham THOMAS - 17 - Hoop Maker
Ann THOMAS - grandchild age 3

next door but one

Thomas COX - 50 - born Oldbury
Lucy COX - 47 - born Hewlesfield
Thomas COX - 10 - born Woollaston
Elizabeth COX - 20 - born Hewlesfield
Ann COX - grandchild - 11 wks - born Chepstow, Monmouthshire

?1861 Census, Alvington

Amelia COX - age 17, Servant of all work, born Glos. Tidenham

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1851 Census, Woolaston

George THOMAS - Head, married 54 - ag lab. born Woolaston
Mary THOMAS - wife- married 46 - born Tidenham
James THOMAS - son - 12 - born Woolaston (can't seem him on future census)
Harriet THOMAS - daughter - 9
Abraham THOMAS - 7
Fanny THOMAS, sister unmarried, 66 - Pauper

1851 Census, Woolaston

Thomas COX - 40 - born Thornbury
Lucy - 38 - Hewlesfield
Elizabeth - 10
Caroline - 9
Emilia(y) - 7
Mary Ann - 4
Thomas - 2 months

! bit of a long shot

could Amelia/Maria COX/Thomas - be the same person?

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Mary Jane appears to be Fred's sister

1881 Woolaston Slade
James Atkins abt 1819 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Woolaston, Gloucestershire Widower Carpenter
Mary Ann Harvey abt 1839 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woolaston, Gloucestershire
Frederic Atkins abt 1869 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woolaston, Gloucestershire

1871 Woolaston Slade { all from Woolaston}
Maria White 47
Albert White 10
Mary White 7
George White 4
Frederic White 2
William White 1 Month
James Atkins 58 Carpenter <- could this be his father the Carpenter James THOMAS a deceased soldier by this time

Year: 1862
Month: Feb
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: WHITE
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: 29
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Viney Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: White
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Brides_Surname: THOMAS
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age: 30
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Viney Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Reeks
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Jacob
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Edwin Edwards
Witness_2: Henry Gunter
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: [illegible] Ebsworth
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: Incumbent
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 250
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1861
Jacob Reeks abt 1792 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Reeks abt 1797 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Wife Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Maria Thomas abt 1830 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Ellen Thomas abt 1855 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England None Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Albert Thomas abt 1861 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England None Woollaston, Gloucestershire

1861 Slad
James Atkins abt 1812 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Head Woollaston, Gloucestershire Carpenter
Elizabeth Atkins abt 1820 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Wife Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Mary Ann Atkins abt 1839 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Florence Atkins abt 1842 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Woollaston, Gloucestershire
Joshua Atkins abt 1851 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Son Woollaston, Gloucestershire

1851
Maria Reeks abt 1831 Woollaston, Gloucestershire, England Servant Alvington, Gloucestershire

1851 Woolaston
James Atkins 38
Elizabeth Atkins 31
Florance Atkins 9
William Atkins 7
Jamimah Atkins 3
Mary Hewlet 66

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I wonder :-)

Year: 1856
Month: Mar
Day: 31
Grooms_Surname: THOMAS
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Viney Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: REEKS
Brides_Forenames: Maria
Brides_Age: 25
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Viney Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Reeks
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Jacob
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: he signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Edwin Edmunds
Witness_2: Mark of Maria Edmunds
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry Poole
Event: Marriage
Memoranda: in margin - Settled H.P.
Notes:
Register_Reference: P145 IN 1/20
Page_Number: 183
Parish_Chapel: Parkend

1841
Jacob Reeks abt 1791 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Reeks abt 1801 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Edwin Reeks abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Elizabetha Reeks abt 1826 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Maria Reeks abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Emanuel Reeks abt 1831 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Elija Reeks abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Emma Reeks abt 1836 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire
Thomas Reeks abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Wollastone, Gloucestershire

Year: 1830
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: REEKES
Child_Forenames: Maria
Fathers_Forenames: Jacob
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Woolaston
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: C Bryan
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: daughter of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P376 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 55
Parish_Chapel: Woolaston

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1871 Census, Warwickshire, Birmingham All Saints

Maria THOMAS - Head - married age 42, Greengrocer's wife - born Glos. Wollaston
Emily BEASLEY (Niece) age 17, Milliner, born Warwick, Birmingham

1861 Census, Staffordshire, West Bromwich, South West

John THOMAS - Head - Married - 40 - Green Grocer, born Gloucestershire, Wolaston
Maria THOMAS - wife - age 33 - born ditto
Ema (? Martha) JONES - 13 niece - born ditto
Emily BEASLEY - niece - age 7 - born Warwickshire, Birmingham

1871 Census - Staffordshire, West Bromwich

Roe Buck Street

John THOMAS - married - 50 Greengrocer, born Glos. Woolaston
Martha JONES - Niece - unmarried age 22 - Greengrocer's Asst. born Glos. Woolaston

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I had discarded this one earlier because she "appeared" to be married to a John, but maybe she is "correct"

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Thank you all once again.
I've found remarriage of Maria Reeks / Thomas in 1862

I'm considering a similar situation with my paternal gg grandfather John Glossop who was illegitimate. His father's name not appearing on any certificates. May be Maria was unmarried when she had children. I have found a Maria Thomas with father James as follows :-

Year:1837Month:MayDay:7
Parents_Surname:THOMAS
Child_Forenames:Maria
Fathers_Forenames:James
Mothers_Forenames:Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:Tidenham
Occupation:Labourer
Officiating_Minister:Tho[mas] Thomas

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We're on the right track !

Maria THOMAS was a Widow at the WHITE marriage.

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Year: 1860
Month: Aug
Day: 19
Surname: WHITE
Forenames: Elisabeth
Residence: Tidenham
Age_at_death: 28
Officiating_Minister: Allan Cowburn Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333/1 IN 1/17
Page_No: 19
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

Year: 1860
Month: Jul
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: WHITE
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Tidenham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: White
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: George
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: SEYS
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: full
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Tidenham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Seys
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Fisherman
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both mark
Witness_1: Jane Hayward
Witness_2: George Hill
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Allan Cowburn Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 96
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

Year: 1830
Month: Sep
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: SEYS
Child_Forenames: Elizabeth
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Tidenham
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: Tho[mas] Thomas
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333/1 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 71
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham

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Thanks to all members for help and advise ref. Frederick and James Thomas. I have requested birth cert. for Mary Jane Thomas and will post again when I have received certificate.

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My interest in this discussion is that Mary Jane Thomas was my wife's g.grandmother. Some of the information here causes some difficulty. It is established that Jacob REEKS and Elizabeth PRICE had a daughter Maria and that she was born circa 1831. It is also established that she married a James THOMAS between Jan-Mar 1856. It is also thought that he was a soldier and died early 1860's. It has been assumed that Mary Jane THOMAS was their daughter - born in 1863 in the Union Workhouse, Chepstow. However there is now a record which shows Maria THOMAS (a widow) marrying a Charles WHITE in 1862. Therefore why do we have Maria THOMAS (nee REEKS) who is now WHITE giving birth to a Mary Jane THOMAS? Also the 1861 Census shows Jacob REEKS and Elizabeth with Maria THOMAS (age 31) Ellen THOMAS (age 6) and Albert THOMAS (age 3 months) all enumerated at the same address. It is interesting that neither Maria, Ellen or Albert are shown as having a relationship to Jacob but that could merely be the whim of the enumerator. I can find no other record of these children although with an infant of 3 months the assumtion has to be that he was Maria's son. I am becomming less convinced that this Maria REEKS is the mother of Mary Jane THOMAS. I have ordered a marriage certificate for Henry B Clements and Mary Jane and will let you know the outcome in due course.

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I have ordered a marriage certificate for Henry B Clements and Mary Jane and will let you know the outcome in due course.

from an earlier response

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I agree that it doesn't look as though Maria REEKS is Mary Jane's mother. On Mary Jane's birth certificate it does not give a maiden name for Maria. Perhaps Mary Jane was illegitemate. If James was dead by this time, Mary Jane could have been born out of wedlock. Perhaps quite a few unmarried girls or widows went to the Chepstow workhouse to give birth away from their own neighbourhood.It would be nice to find Mary Jane in the 1871 census that may give us a clue.

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It would be nice to find Mary Jane in the 1871 census that may give us a clue.

She is down as WHITE at this time

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=31369

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I have received birth cert for Mary Jane. Unfortunatley there is no additional info than on FOD baptism record for Mary Jane. It shows no father and no other name ( maiden name ) for Mary Jane's mother Maria. It looks as though I am at a dead end again. Maybe something will turn up one day. Thank you all for your efforts.

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Birthplace Glam Pen____ (General)

James THOMAS 1815 -1877 Penmaen GLA

James Aquila THOMAS 1846 Coleford -> Queensland AUS

James THOMAS - Carpenter/Ann/Mary MEREDITH

Joseph THOMAS -1846 Cinderford

THOMAS Tutshill / Chepstow

James THOMAS - Will

Maria THOMAS : 1861 census. Glos. Woollaston

Fred THOMAS 1868 s/o Maria REEKS / THOMAS Woollaston -

? Maria THOMAS -1861/ 1871 Census

? Maria THOMAS -1861/ 1871 Census

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Maria REEKS / THOMAS

Charles WHITE 1832 ish

Frederick THOMAS 1868

Frederick THOMAS 1868

Mary Jane THOMAS marriage 1879

Frederick THOMAS 1868

Mary Jane REEKS / WHITE 1863 in 1871

Frederick and Mary Jane Thomas