Death and Burial of Geo & Eliz TINGLE, Littledean, 1851/2 (General)

by fraser-donna @, Saturday, June 25, 2011, 23:34 (4903 days ago)

I have had this brick wall on my direct line for over 25 years and am hoping someone can give me some guidance or suggestions so that I can put my 3rd great grandparents final days to rest.

At the time of the 1851 census George and Elizabeth Tingle were living in Littledean Hill operating the Royal Oak inn. George was 61 years old, a coal miner, born East Dean. His wife Elizabeth was 63, also born East Dean.

I believe that it wasn’t coincidence that this family chose to live in an extra parochial area.

George and Elizabeth Tingle were members of the Littledean Non Conformist church.

My brick wall is proving Elizabeth’s death and George’s burial.

The burial register of Littledean Independent Church shows
“George Tingle, husband of ? Tingle, L. D. Hill, (no age given), Inn Keeper, Little Dean Hill, East Dean, Gloucester” showing the date of death as Dec. 10, 1851 and date of burial as Dec. 16, 1851. Please note that the last two dates were added with a different handwriting and I wonder if it is therefore suspect.
Source: Gloucester Record Office: D6514 1/3 Burials Littledean Independent.

George Tingle died three months later, 18 Mar 1852 at Littledean Hill. I have his death certificate. One would assume he was buried with his wife at Littledean Independent Church but no entry can be found (I have checked both the parish registers on this website and the original register at the Gloucester Record Office).

I believe the above mentioned Littledean Independent burial record is an amalgamation of both George and Elizabeth Tingle’s burials. Perhaps there were no other burials in that three month period which led to the confusion. Literacy may also have been a problem at the time.

I cannot find Elizabeth’s death registration. There is an Elizabeth Tingle registered in the March Q of 1852 at Westbury-on-Severn but she was a 17 year old girl. As I understand the rules around civil registration, it wasn’t strictly enforced until about 1875 but I did think a death certificate was needed prior to a burial by the 1850s.

I suspect the only reason there is a death registration for George Tingle is that it was needed to prove his will.

Do I conclude that it was Elizabeth who died and was buried in December 1851 (even though the register says it was George) and that her husband is buried with her in the Littledean Independent Church? I’d feel much more comfortable if I could find some documentation supporting this hypothesis, a headstone, etc. Have the monumental inscriptions been done for the Littledean Independent churchyard?

Your thoughts and help with this puzzle would be most appreciated.

Thanks from their Canadian descendant.
Donna Fraser

Death and Burial of Geo & Eliz TINGLE, Littledean, 1851/2

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 07:48 (4903 days ago) @ fraser-donna

I suspect that from a BMD records perspective, you have it the classic non conformist / civil registration pre 1875 "challenge" :-(

I'm not aware of an electronic listing of Littledean Independent MI's....
The GFHS non conformists CD's http://www.gfhs.org.uk/products.htm probably do not cover this either

<><><> this may be George's Free Miner registration

Surname Forename Age Residence Reg Date ID
Tingle George 48 Littledean Hill Sept 8th 1838 153

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Death and Burial of Geo & Eliz TINGLE, Littledean, 1851/2

by fraser-donna @, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 17:17 (4903 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you, Slowhands, for your interest. Yes, you found his record as a Free Miner. He and a few others operated Tingle's Level.

Their very need not to pay taxes or be under the control of government makes it very difficult for their descendants to trace them. It wasn't just George and Elizabeth Tingle that avoided registration prior to 1875, some of their grandchildren weren't registered as well. Thank heavens for census records.

Another frustrating aspect of tracing George and Elizabeth Tingle is that I cannot find their marriage about 1810. She is referred to as being his wife in the census and baptisms of their children but I can't find anything to substantiate that claim. Again, I think they refused to marry in the Church of England as the law required at the time. I'm betting they stood in front of the parishioners at Littledean Independent, went through a ceremony there and it was not recorded anywhere. So, my research stops on Elizabeth's line as I do not know her maiden name.

Donna

Marriage of Geo TINGLE & Eliz P PHILLIPS 1810

by fraser-donna @, Thursday, March 28, 2013, 02:59 (4262 days ago) @ fraser-donna

In case anyone is following this thread, their marriage has been found at long last.

St. Mary Le Port, Bristol:
No. 462 George Tingle of this parish and Elizabeth Parr Phillips of the same were married in this Church by Banns this fifth day of April in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Ten by me: William Wait, Curate. This marriage was solemnised between us: George Tingle; the mark of Elizabeth Parr Phillips in the presence of Catherine Morcombe, John Richmond Hill.

Littledean Independent - Burials

by m p griffiths @, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 15:08 (4903 days ago) @ fraser-donna

Littledean Independent- Burials

The GFHS CD - has a section of burials between 1821- up to 1837 same as FOD records

There are 3 TINGLE deaths listed

William TINGLE - August 1825 - age 76

Mary TINGLE - 10 May 1828 - age 82 widow(er) William

Joseph TINGLE - 19 June 1832 - age 53 of Cinderford


On FOD records - there is a burial at Cinderford St John - 31 August 1850 of an Elizabeth TINGLE age 31 years of Deans Hill - not sure if she is related to George & Elizabeth TINGLE i.e. mother of Elizabeth TINGLE, grand-daughter age 13 on the 1851 census?

Littledean Independent - Burials

by fraser-donna @, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 17:23 (4903 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Yes, you found George Tingle's family. William and Mary were his parents and Joseph his brother. The Elizabeth you found I had noted as his possible niece. The grand-daughter Elizabeth's mother was Amelia nee Bradley formerly Morgan of Ruardean. My 4th cousin and I will be presenting Amelia's story to the GFHS at their September meeting.

Thanks for your interest and confirming my earlier research. It is appreciated.

Donna in Canada

William and James TINGLE

by m p griffiths @, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 18:19 (4903 days ago) @ fraser-donna

Autobiographical History of John Gailey

mentions William and James TINGLE - (Hazel Hill - Littledean Hill) + other FOD folk.

http://www.familyhistorynetpost.com/familyhistory/Individuals/Gailey_John_LifeHistory.htm

William and James TINGLE

by fraser-donna @, Monday, June 27, 2011, 03:49 (4902 days ago) @ m p griffiths

That was an interesting link to follow up and I thank you for it. John Gailey states that it was was on March 24th 1840 that I was baptized and confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He then talks about being in the FOD and says, "I baptized William Tingle and confirmed him, after this I had some opposition from the Wesleyans."

He continues, about July 4th, [1841] I was assisted by Martin Littlewood, (who was an Elder) to preach to the people in the open air, one at Little Deans Hill and at Little Dean. I baptized three of them shortly afterwards which were Samuel Lewis and wife and James Tingle.

Donna's note: I found Samuel Lewis and Ann living at Dean Woodside in the 1841 census; both age 30. Next door to them is James Tingle, 70 and Elizabeth 67 and next door to them is William Tingle, 44.

I have no doubt that James and William Tingle knew my Tingles and were distantly related to them. Digging a bit deeper I found that the elder James Tingle married Elizabeth (nee Tingle). They would have known the Royal Oak inn operated on Littledean Hill by my George Tingle in both 1841 and 1851.

I was aware that there was an early Tingle member of the LDS Church as a number of members of the LDS Church have submitted records referring to a James Tingle born before 1680 in Flaxley the source of which is unknown. I had the opportunity of looking at the original submissions in Salt Lake City and there is no supporting evidence. It was accepted and probably is true. I wish there was more evidence as the James Tingle born about 1680 that he mentions is my sixth great grandfather.

Another interesting bit to add to the local history.
Donna

Death and Burial of Geo & Eliz TINGLE, Littledean, 1851/2

by sechelt @, Sunday, June 26, 2011, 21:07 (4903 days ago) @ fraser-donna

I too am searching relatives in Littledean who died a little earlier than yours, buried in the Independent Chruch. Have you been able to determine if Littledean Independent Church still exists with that name? I've looked at the British Listed Building site, but it only shows St. Ethelbert church (with a Tingle monument listed there).

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