James DALLEY - Natural son James HOARE (General)
by isherwop 
, Sunday, July 03, 2011, 04:12 (4978 days ago)
In his will dated 1860, James DALLEY butcher of Ross refers to five of his children. We have records for three of them but his reference to 'my Natural son James DALLEY otherwise HOARE' is a mystery. What does this term mean? Was James an illegitimate son born to a woman whos surname was HOARE? There is also a Margaret that I cammot find anywhere. James married three times, firstly to Elizabeth WOORE, then to Mary COLLINS (nee BEALE) and finally to Sarah MILLER (nee SANDERS) Any comments or suggestions welcomed. Thanks Peter.I
James DALLEY - Natural son James HOARE
by bristolloggerheads , Sunday, July 03, 2011, 06:35 (4978 days ago) @ isherwop
The only Margaret I can see is:
Births Mar Quarter 1838
Dally Margaret Gloucester 11 289
Peter
James DALLEY - Natural son James HOARE
by isherwop , Sunday, July 03, 2011, 09:54 (4978 days ago) @ bristolloggerheads
Thanks for you reply. Looks unlikely but worth investigation.
James DALLEY -Butcher Ross on Wye
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, July 03, 2011, 07:26 (4978 days ago) @ isherwop
1841
James Dalley abt 1786 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire
Mary Dalley abt 1796 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire
Benny Dalley abt 1832 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire
Susan Collins abt 1826 Herefordshire, England Ross, Herefordshire
Year: 1810
Month: Oct
Day: 3
Grooms_Surname: DALLY
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: [not stated]
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: this Parish [Goodrich]
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: WOOR
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age: [not stated]
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: this Parish [Goodrich]
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Titus Morgan
Witness_2: Susanna Morgan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H[arr]y Williams Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Groom signs: James Dalley
Register_Reference: BF16/8
Page_Number: 9
Parish_Chapel: Goodrich
Year: 1819
Month: Sep
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: DALLEY
Child_Forenames: Philip
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: in this parish
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: Ja[me]s Mills
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/4
Page_Number: 69
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Year: 1831
Month: May
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: DALLEY
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: COLLINS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Widow
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of James Cator
Witness_2: Mark of Elizabeth Cator
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Thos Underwood Junr Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/10
Page_Number: 109
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Year: 1815
Month: Jun
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: DALLEY
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: James Junr
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: in this parish
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: Ja[me]s Mills Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/4
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Year: 1817
Month: Aug
Day: 21
Parents_Surname: DALLEY
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: James Ju[nio]r
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: in this parish
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: Ja[me]s Mills
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/4
Page_Number: 48
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Year: 1832
Month: Aug
Day: 26
Parents_Surname: DALLEY
Child_Forenames: Henry
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brookend St
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: T Underwood Junr Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/4
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
Year: 1835
Month: Jun
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: DALLEY
Child_Forenames: George
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Brookend
Occupation: Butcher
Officiating_Minister: J A Stewart Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: AG39/5
Page_Number: 8
Parish_Chapel: Ross on Wye
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James DALLEY- WOOR 1810 Goodrich
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, July 03, 2011, 07:31 (4978 days ago) @ isherwop
Born before his marriage to Elizabeth in Oct 1810...
Year: 1810
Month: May
Day: 19
Parents_Surname: WOOR
Child_Forenames: James-Dally
Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Mothers_Forenames: Eliz[abe]th
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Goodrich
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Harry Williams Vicar
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: [(an illigitimate child) son of Elizabeth Woor]
Notes:
Register_Reference: BF16/4
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Goodrich
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James DALLEY- WOOR 1810 Goodrich
by isherwop , Sunday, July 03, 2011, 09:44 (4978 days ago) @ slowhands
Thanks Slowhands, you have found the illegitimate James 1810 - although James 1788 did marry James' 1810 mother Elizabeth Woor later that year. But why on earth did James 1788 call James 1810 his 'natural son James otherwise Hoare'? There is a connection with the Hoares as James 1810 daughter Eliza married Philip Hoare in Ross in 1840 but I don't see that this has any obvious relevance. James' 1810 marriage is also recorded a bit further north in Dymock in 1840. Thanks again, Peter.I
James DALLEY- WOOR 1810 Goodrich
by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Sunday, July 03, 2011, 10:43 (4978 days ago) @ isherwop
I have seen Hoor and Woare interchanged before - or perhaps its just the transcription
and James is just admitting he is the Father ( OK he married the Mother later !)
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