Matthews family (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Friday, July 08, 2011, 03:29 (4891 days ago) @ Jefff

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(SADLY)
Record_ID: 30961
Entry_Number: 645
Year: 1855
Month: Aug
Day: 13
Surname: MATTHEWS
Forenames: Lydia
Residence: Lane End
Age_at_death: 12
Officiating_Minister: John Hawksley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: D[aughte]r of John & Elizabeth Matthews
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 81
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: M320

Record_ID: 150764
Entry_Number: 161
Year: 1849
Month: Mar
Day: 18
Parents_Surname: MATTHEWS
Child_Forenames: Hannah
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Lane End
Occupation: Stone Cutter
Officiating_Minister: J. Banks M.A. Perp[etual] Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: PFC82 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 21
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: M320

(NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH)
Record_ID: 408422
Entry_Number:
Year: 1845
Month: Aug
Day: 15
Parents_Surname: MATTHEWS
Child_Forenames: Hannah Maria
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Hannah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Langarran
Occupation: mason
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: received into the Church having been baptised 7 Jul 1845
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth
Soundex: M320

Hannah M married Octavius Ward in Monmouth 1866.

(NOR, off GlosBMD site)

Birth Details
Matthews Hannah 1847 Forest of Dean Monmouth, Coleford 5 73
It appears this Hannah subsequently married William Harris in Drybrook in 1876.

Back to "our" Hannah, I cannot find her marriage in local area. I've searched FreeBMD for both of them and cannot find a likely marriage anywhere.

Paty, please do you know more details/dates as to Hannah's marriage to Thomas ?. What do you know of Thomas's birthplace etc ?

You mentioned the 1841 Census.
Do you have 1861 Census details for them, perhaps this shows Hannah working in Stoke area ?

Looking on Latterday Saints for the 1841 and the 1851 Census,
vast majority of the Thomas Bellis' are from Mid/North Wales, not Stoke area at all. Moving to 1861 Census, I find;

England and Wales Census, 1861 for Thomas Bellis
Name: Thomas Bellis
Event: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 7
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Record Type: Household
Registration District: Chepstow
Sub-district: 2 Chepstow
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Chepstow Monmouth
County: Monmouthshire

Back to FoDFH PRs, the ONLY Thomas Bellis Record on the site is also;

Record_ID: 205935
Entry_Number: 301
Year: 1854
Month: Mar
Day: 16
Parents_Surname: BELLIS
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Peter
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Bridge S[tree]t
Occupation: Boilermaker
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: s[on] o[f]
Notes: Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference: 1851-1861
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Chepstow
Soundex: B420

Could this be "our" Thomas ?.
He is the second of ELEVEN children to Peter & Elizabeth twixt 1853 and 1869. Peter & Elizabeth, and some of the children, are buried in Chepstow (see this site's PRs). Thomas no record... did he move away to find work, Staffs coalfields perhaps ?.

HOWEVER, looking at Latterday Saints for 1861 Census, sadly only seeing individuals not complete households, I see SEVERAL Thomas Bellis's of various ages in Staffs, including some born in Wales, one in Kent (migrant collier's son I suspect) etc.

Moving to 1881 same story, but thankfully shows households;

England and Wales Census, 1881 for Thomas Bellis
Name: Thomas Bellis
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1846
Birthplace: Wales
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Condition: Married
Profession/Occupation: Coal Miner
Address: 37 Meadow St
Census Place: Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341652
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2720 / 57
Page Number: 48
Household Gender Age
Thomas Bellis M 35
Spouse Hannah Bellis F 35 (her separate Record shows born FoD!)
Child Thomas Bellis M 14
Child Jemima Bellis F 10
Child John Bellis M 9
Child Edwin Bellis M 6
Child William Bellis M 4
Child Peter Bellis M 0

(NOT TO MENTION THIS SOURCE OF CONFUSION, more Hannahs & Thomas's !)

England and Wales Census, 1881 for Hannah Bellis
Name: Hannah Bellis
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1831
Birthplace: Stafford
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Condition: Widow
Profession/Occupation: Collier (Stone)
Address: New Building 7
Census Place: Wolstanton, Staffordshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341649
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2708 / 25
Page Number: 44
Household Gender Age
Hannah Bellis F 50
Child Edward Bellis M 30
Child Thomas Bellis M 17
Child William Bellis M 13
Stephen Lanfort M 24

(NOTE! "stone" collier - Hannah's father John was a Stone Mason...)

And WORSE SOURCE OF CONFUSION PERHAPS;
Also from Latterday Site;

England and Wales Census, 1881 for Hannah Mathews
Name: Hannah Mathews
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1841
Birthplace: Coleford, Gloucestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Servant
Marital Condition: Single
Profession/Occupation: Upper Housemaid
Address: East Court
Census Place: Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
Family History Library Film: 1341619
The National Archives Reference: RG11
Piece/Folio: 2566 / 79
Page Number: 18
Household Gender Age
Thomas Winter Potter M 39
Eveline M Potter F 35
Daniel Larner M 38
Sarah Trigg F 36
Ellen W Nurse F 37
Hannah Mathews F 40
Emily Day F 24
Lydia Mills F 17
Lucy Atwell F 17

SO Paty, I'm afraid it's very late and I'm running out of references or energy and am more than a little confused, you certainly have a family tree with plenty of potential pitfalls !.
And no sorry I don't know why Hannah found herself in Staffs, unless went with the Thomas Bellis from Coleford although rather older than her ??

Hope this helps ?