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Is anyone able to help me locate the parents of my 2x great grandfather Henry (or in some records Hendry) John Hawkins? I have a number of fragments of possible information but nothing conclusive. Indeed the situation I find myself in is something akin to a string vest, lots of holes tied together with something pretty insubstantial... :-)

As far as I know is he was born around 1835 in Gloucestershire and was a police officer. Looking at census records there is a Henry John Hawkins with parents Thomas (b 1802) and Mary Ann (b 1801)and siblings James (1821), Thomas (1825), Arabella (1826), Ellen (1833) and Emma (1839), however there seems to be no record of Thomas and Mary Ann getting married.

Unfortunately there are no records of any Henry John Hawkins being baptised around that time.

There is a record of a Henry Hawkins (but not Henry John) being baptised 4th June 1835 (this site's record number 114933) with parents Richard and Eleanor. Several family trees on sites such as ancestry.co.uk list this family link (and there are census records confirming it) but none link him to the middle name John or have details of any of his descendants I have in my records.

So to sum up - I believe that either my Henry John (parents Thomas and Mary Ann) is correct but there are no records (or none I can find) or maybe Henry John is just plain Henry (with parents Richard and Eleanor) or of course perhaps neither!

If anyone can shed any light on this, even any suggestions which might help me show any or all of the options are wrong (so I can eliminate them) I would be extremely grateful.

Thanks

Ian

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For the FOD members, here is the 1871 Census, Glamorgan, Llanquicke

Perth? Street

No. 19

Hendry HAWKINS - 36 - Police Constable, born Lane End, Gloucestershire
Ann HAWKINS - 29 - born Newport, Monmouthshire
Hendry (d crossed through) - age 8 - born Lane End, Gloucestershire
Thomas - 6 - all born in Glamorgan
Ann - 3
Emily - 2

??????

FOD records

Baptism at Longney

Frank Henry HAWKINS - 21 June 1863

Henry (Farmer) residence Longney & Anne

1851 Census, Longney

Hemmims Farm

Joseph LAND? - 59 - Farmer 100 acres, employint 6 men 1 boyd, born Glos. Longney
Ann - wife - 54 - born Quedgley
Henry HAWKINS - nephew, age 16, visitor, born Coaley

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Thanks for this. I have seen the 1871 Glamorgan census entry and I am pretty sure that relates to Henry John once he married (that is where I got the sometimes "Hendry" info in my original post - that form of the name occurs in other places as well). His 8 year old son Henry (also actually a Henry John b 1863) is my grandfather. Out of interest, the Henry John carries on down the line to my maternal uncle Henry John Hawkins (b 1904). It stops there as he only had daughters, none of whom I assume would have appreciated being called Henry :-)

Not sure about Frank Henry, but the Henry who is nephew to Joseph Land is new to me - will look into that!

Ian

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As Ann says she was born in Monmouthshire and age is correct for 1871 census

1861 Census Glos

Lane End

Henry HAWKINS - 24 quarry man, born Newland
Ann - 19 - born Mon. St Wooles
Albert Hy HAWKINS - 8 month
Thomas POWELL - visitor - 53 - born Newland
Hannah POWELL - visitor - 10 - born Newland

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Just found that a Joseph Land married Ann Hawkins 18th April 1826 (FOD record# 97162). So, Henry Hawkins (nephew) does seem to fit.

Hence, if I can locate any siblings of Ann, then one may be the missing father.

Thanks for this!

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Ian,

I also have a "string vest"! My notes show Henry John HAWKINS born @ 1835 s/o Richard (1) and Elinore HAWKINS. Info that was passed along to me includes this memo of the 1851 Census that shows Henry, age 15, as a coal miner. The name Henry John, was given to me be a family member, but I have NO hard evidence of name.

1851 CENSUS
HAWKINS Richard (1) 51 Coal Miner Newland
Ellenor 61 West Dean
Ellenor 24 West Dean
Richard (2) 21 Coal Miner West Dean
Elizabeth 18 Scholar West Dean
Henry 15 Coal Miner West Dean
Amelia 1 Grand Daughter West Dean

IF I can be of any help or you would like to compare more notes, please feel free to contact me via e-mail!

Regards,
Cynthia Hawkins Wood

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FOD records

Baptism at Coleford - 30 July 1837

HAWKINS : Henry

parents John (Coal Miner) & Susannah - address Lane End

1841 Census Land End, Newland

John HAWKINS - 30 - Coal Miner
Susannah - 25 (nee TEAGUE)
John HAWKINS (Jnr) - age 5/6
Henry HAWKINS - 3
James HAWKINS - 1

1851 Census, West Dean
Barn Hill

HAWKINS

John - 40 - Coal Miner, born Newland
Susannah - 34 - born West Dean
John - 15 - Errand Boy
Henry - 13 - Scholar, born Newland
James - 11
Ann - 9
Susann - 7
Tom - 4

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Thanks. Will get in touch by email. Your Henry is one of the alternative options I have but my concern is (as you allude to) there is no evidence of him being Henry John.

Ian

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henry hawkins son of richard hawkins and elinor jones is my wife's 2x greatgrandfather .he moved to etruria stoke on trent staffordshire and is found in the 1861 census as henry hawkin .he married elizabeth brideway and had one son john before he died and hawkins are still here today .he was a coal miner .i thought i should record his life because he seems to be of the radar cheers dave

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Thanks for your reply. I am aware of your Henry Hawkins bur I also know he is not the same one as mine as my one was a police officer.

Ian

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I have been looking for information on this Henry John HAWKINS! He was a first cousin to my Great-grandmother, Harriet Ann HAWKINS Morgan. I have considerable information about the HAWKINS extended family. I would love to share information, IF you are interested!!!

Regards,
Cynthia HAWKINS Wood

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Since posting this another new forum topic has been posted 32960 which appears to show the marriage of Thomas and Mary Ann. Looks like this could be the parents I am looking for.

For info, it also links back to an older 2009 posting 18429 which adds some useful detail.

Still not sure if these are my Henry John's parents, but thanks to Isherwop and MP Griffiths (and everyone who contributed to the 2009 entry) for their postings.

Ian

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Ian

Going back over old ground

1871 Census, Glamorgan, Lanquicke (looking on the net also known as Llangiwg)

Hendry HAWKINS - 36, Police Constable, born Land End, Gloucestershire
Ann HAWKINS - 29 - born Newport, Monmouthshire
Hendry (d crossed out) - age 8, born Lane End, Gloucestershire (c1863)
Thomas - 6 - all born Gwllawn, (transcribed as) Glamorgan

Looking at the 1881 Census, Glamorgan - Lanquick

transcribed as ANKINS

Ann - 38 - Widow - born Newport, Monmouthshire
Thomas - 16- all children born Lanquicke
Emily - 11
+ extra children from 1871 census

Sarah - 10
Mary - 7
Albertha - age 4 (female)

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1891 Census, Glam. Llanquick
16 Park Street

HAWKINS

Anne - Widow - 50 - Housekeeper
Tom - 26 - Tinplate Worker
Anne - 14 - Dressmaker
Mary - 17 - Dressmaker
Bertha - 15 - Pupil Teacher

two visitors

George VERITY - 26 - Engine Driver, born Yorkshire, Barnsley
Mary A VERITY - 17 - Dressmaker, born Yorkshire, Barnsley

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O/N/D Qtr 1864 - Thomas HAWKINS - Neath District, which covered Llangwig
A/M/J Qtr 1869 - Emily HAWKINS - Neath District, ditto
J/A/S Qtr 1871 - Sarah Edith HAWKINS - Ditto
J/A/S Qtr 1873 - Mary HAWKINS - Ditto
A/M/J Qtr 1876 - Alberta HAWKINS - Pontardawe District - which covered Llangiwg

confirmed by the 1901 Wales Census, Llanquicke

Annie HAWKINS - 61 - Shopkeeper, own account, born Monmouthshire, Newport
Tom D HAWKINS - son - unmarried, age 36
Sarah E HAWKINS - daughter - 28
Mary E HAWKINS - daughter - 26
Bertha HAWKINS - daughter - 24

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Only by having the information on the mother's maiden name - can we try and find the correct marriage for Henry HAWKINS to Ann ?

and hopefully find the correct birth for Henry HAWKINS born c1863 Lane End, Gloucestershire

this should give Henry's Snr. father's name - and take out the guess work.

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Just made a breakthrough - thanks to a link to a document on the FOD site (thanks Cynthia!):

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Miscellaneous/Mary_Evans_Ancestors_Report.pdf

and comments here and elsewhere in the forum it is now obvious that the reason I could not find Henry is that his family were protestant dissenters.

Looked him up on BMD Registers.co.uk and there he is with his parents and grandfather.

Thanks to everyone who helped me get to this point.

Ian

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Ian,

I'm glad I was able to be of help! So many wonderful people have helped me, with my research over the years...I am only too happy to "pay it forward"!

Regards,
Cynthia

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henry hawkins son of richard hawkins and elinore born 1835 is my wife's 2x great grandfather.he is recorded in the 1861 census married to elizabeth brideway in etruria stoke on trent.unfortunately it is recorded as hawkin .he had one son called john but henry was dead before 1871.he was a coal miner.stoke on trent was a victorian boom town then with a massive steel works and people moved here for the money hope' this helps dave

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