Searching for William MALSON abt 1788

William Malson married 1821 stating his residence was St Briavels Hundred he died in 1860 and at burial 72 years old was stated ,which would give a birth date of abt1788,searching the records i have not been able to find a birth or baptism can anyone help please.
Thank you

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Marriage 17 January 1763, Richard MALSON and Susannah VINER at Abenhall. Witnesses Josiah VAUGHN and John NElmE. Following births also registered at Abenhall:

1768 26 June, Richard
1771 4 Feb, John
1774 6 March, William
1778 19 Aug, Mary
1783 2 June, Mary

Keep in mind dates can be a little vague. The 1841 census suggests my ggggrandfather was born in 1781. In reality he was born in 1772 . . .

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Hi ,
Thank you for taking the trouble to reply .
I know of this Family of Malson's and the William b6/3/1774 married Catherine Gibbs 16/10/1798 and their family is well documented ,and unfortunately not the William i am looking for.
Any sggestion may be a posibility ,Thank you

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So from:

Record_ID: 46
Entry_Number: 46
Year: 1821
Month: Mar
Day: 17
Grooms_Surname: MALSON
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Sarah Newton
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He marks; she signs
Witness_1: Rich[ar]d Lowe
Witness_2: Mark of Hannah Thomas
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Newport Officiating Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex_Groom: M425
Soundex_Bride: H530

As you say no parent's details on either side. I always like to look at witnesses, in this case I guess it's best friends of groom and bride:

Record_ID: 32316
Entry_Number: 12
Year: 1795
Month: Dec
Day: 7
Grooms_Surname: LOWE
Grooms_Forenames: Richard
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Abenhall
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: HUNT
Brides_Forenames: Elizabeth
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Abenhall
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Mark of Saml Waldin
Witness_2: Mark of Mary Waldin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H L Butler
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex_Groom: L000
Soundex_Bride: H530

Record_ID: 65
Entry_Number: 65
Year: 1823
Month: Jun
Day: 8
Grooms_Surname: ROBERTS
Grooms_Forenames: George
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St. Briavles
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: THOMAS
Brides_Forenames: Hannah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: James Gwilliam
Witness_2: Mark of Susannah Thomas
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: W[illia]m Pashley Off[iciating] Min[ister]
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex_Groom: R163
Soundex_Bride: T520

However no clues here wrt William's age etc.

Searching again what about this William Malson aka Milson born 1780 ?:

Record_ID: 218053
Entry_Number: 50
Year: 1780
Month: Jun
Day: 27
Parents_Surname: MILSON
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: Richard
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Edmunds Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/4
Page_Number: 2
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: M425

Searching FoD PRs for Malson/Milson within St Briavels,
there are 30 Milson PRs listed..., BUT NO Malsons, including:

Record_ID: 217586
Entry_Number:
Year: 1738
Month: Nov
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: MILSON
Child_Forenames: Richard
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elisabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: J Davies Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes: Minister signs at the end of the year
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: M425

John and Elisabeth had eleven! children in total between 1767-1785.

Record_ID: 1004578
Entry_Number: 313
Year: 1809
Month: Apr
Day: 27
Surname: MILSON
Forenames: Richard
Residence: St Briavels
Age_at_death: 70
Officiating_Minister: Tho[ma]s Thomas Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: Gent.
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/4
Page_No: 23
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: M425

Possibly?

Record_ID: 102974
Entry_Number:
Year: 1799
Month: Jun
Day: 30
Surname: MALSON
Forenames: Elizabeth
Residence:
Age_at_death:
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/3
Page_No: 21
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex: M425

Could this be "your" William ?

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Hi Jeff,
Thank you so much for your reply,Were you really up till 2:40 am posting it ?

You are on the right track as the William I seek is the one who married Sarah Newton Hunt,as you rightly say no parents are declared on the marriage entry,hence the dilemma.
The witnesses Richard Lowe[believe a church warden] was married to Sarah Newton Hunts sister and the Lowes and Malson's lived in the same property in Lady Grove Abenhall[on 1841 census].I think Hannah Thomas was born Malson [she may have married twice] Daughter of Richard Malson and Hannah formerly Yearsley.
For a while the William Milson born 1780 was a front runner even though the dates did not match,however this bubble burst when it was brought to my attention that a memorial stone in St Briavels Church yard gave his demise .This stone commemorates the death of William Milson Lieutenant on HMS Minotaur which was lost off the Dutch Coast in 1810 with most of the crew,having struck underwater rocks.

As you can see i have been down this route, sadly with no luck ,I do thank you for input as any clue may just produce the answers i require
Best Wishes Harvo

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Good "morning" Harvo,
yes I was but its no problem to me, nice quiet time for thinking, I'm a bit nocturnal if not batty..
That said at least this beginner also spotted the link between Lowe and t'other Hunt sister.

I admit I thought you may have seen the Milson entry, but looking at your posting history suggested (incorrectly I see) that maybe you were new to this game and that perhaps you might fall for that short of trap as many others do.
Ah well I consider myself well and truly "sunk" then. Just goes to show that sometimes you can't beat actually doing the legwork and visiting the Churches etc.

Maybe next time, meanwhile good luck.

How are you certain that this is your William ?. What were you clues ?.

Record_ID: 448
Entry_Number: 451
Year: 1860
Month: Dec
Day: 9
Surname: MALSON
Forenames: William
Residence: Abbenhall
Age_at_death: 72
Officiating_Minister: James Davies Rector
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/11
Page_No: 57
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall
Soundex: M425

I ask as there are other possibles I think.

Or what about this William ?.
I didnt recognise the Parish at first look but I see the bride's from "St Briavels", and the groom's family details are rather vague again !

Record_ID: 31423
Entry_Number: 43
Year: 1825
Month: Feb
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: MALSON
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: [not
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation: [not stated]
Grooms_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Surname: SMITH
Brides_Forenames: Anne
Brides_Age: [not
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: the Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: [not stated]
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: [not stated]
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: He marks she signs
Witness_1: Mark of Thomas Maslon
Witness_2: Mark of Hannah Gregory
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Herbert A.B. Officiat[in]g Minister
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number: 15
Parish_Chapel: Hope Mansell
Soundex_Groom: M425
Soundex_Bride: S530

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Hi Jeff,
Suppose someone has to do the night shift eh !

To answer your question the William buried 9 December 1860 is no longer on the 1861 census with his family,the family still at home were wife Sarah and son George they were enumerated at Plump Hill.I guess they had to move out of what may have been a tied cottage in Lady Grove when William died ?,he being a labourer,or because George was a miner [Iron]and it was nearer work?
The other William of 1779 [son of Richard and Hannah Yearsley] who married Anne Smith, unfortunately their children's names were not the ones i was looking for in a previous search ie;a John of 1827,so out of the frame.

I do thank you for taking the trouble to do look ups and to write,you are right i have been searching for many years ,and this is one ,not the only one ,of my more frustrating family searches ,we have all had them .

My best wishes Harvo

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I have Hannah Malson born 1763, who married John Thomas 12 Jun 1791 Newland as daughter of Richard Malson and Susanna Viner.
Looking at Hannah's birth date and that of William c 1788 who married Sarah could it be possible that William was the illegitimate son of Hannah? Possibly named after her brother William born 1774. Just a thought, but it would explain why she was a witness at William and Sarah's wedding!

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Just to complicate things further, Richard Lowe's daughter Hannah's illegitimate daughter Elizabeth Lowe married the William Malson who was the son of William Malson and Catharine Gibbs, neither of them being your William I think.

We're probably related six different ways to every Malson that ever came out of Westbury on Severn, the problem is just proving it.

It's at this point I usually visit Youtube and listen to the theme tune from Deliverance.

On a serious note, here is a reason why your elusive baptism may have been delayed or never took place: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamp_Duties_Act_1783

Cheers.

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Hi,
Thank you for that information and your time and trouble,the tax you mention had been brought to my attention,and all possibilities are worthy of consideration.

I had not picked up on Elizabeth Lowe being the illegitimate daughter of Hannah Lowe ,the daughter of Richard Lowe.
You are right she married William Malson b1815 son of William and Catherine Gibbs,and you are right again sadly neither of these William's are the one i am looking for,that would be too easy ?

Clearly you have Malson connections,to whom do you belong?

You have obviously found an answer to your frustrations with the choice of Deliverance,might see if it works ?????

Thank you again Harvo

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Belong to William & Catherine/Kitty which is how I know a little about the Lowes.

Elizabeth moved to Wales with her two sons, one of whom, Arthur William was my
Great Grandfather.

I was informed very recently that our two lines joined in the marriage of James Malson to Fanny Malson 6 Feb 1853, Cinderford St John, but still hopeful of a common ancestor centuries earlier.

vv.

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Hi,
Thanks ,am i talking to Keith ?
I do know of your family as you have been communicating with David Hankey yes ? David and i share a Great Grandmother so are cousins [once removed ?],if i am right you will be aware that the Malson Link has been our most recent project without a great deal of success beyond the William i seek the birth of.

I am the older cousin he refers to Trevor

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Hi.

Guessed you might be, as have seen your related posts at Rootschat.

Tried to lend a hand recently but only ended up covering old
ground that you had already dealt with.

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From Gloucestershire Disc pre 1800 MALSON

marriages

Married at NEWNHAM

Richard MALSON - of Westbury - married Alice SACKEY? - 19 August 1681

Thomas MALSON - married Sarah WEBB - 6 May 1716

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Married at ARLINGHAM

Joseph MALSON - married Mary DEYZEY - 12 October 1692

John MALSON - married Mary JONES - 23 October 1754

(there is on FOD records burial of a John MALSOM - 23 October 1843, age 83 Westbury - may be a son of John/Mary)

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Married at ROCKHAMPTON

Steephen MALSOM - of Westberry - married Hannah LYSENES of Esington - 23 September 1693

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