School records and Nail makers (General)

by jmay @, Monday, August 08, 2011, 16:56 (4860 days ago)

Can anyone please tell me if I can find any school records for schools around the Abenhall area for about 1815. Also, where would a Nail Maker have worked in this same area ?
Many thanks.

School records Abenhall - prior response

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 08, 2011, 17:15 (4860 days ago) @ jmay

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=20227

probably no school at that time ...

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by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 08, 2011, 17:17 (4860 days ago) @ jmay

My suspicion is that the bulk were "cottage industries" rather than an organised "factory"

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by jmay @, Monday, August 08, 2011, 17:37 (4860 days ago) @ slowhands

Slowhands, thank you once again for your rapid reply. I see that you don't think there were any schools in the area so bang goes that line of 'putting meat on the bones ' of my family ! My 3x gr grandfather Thomas Stevens was a nailmaker in the Abenhall area of the Forest, then took his family to continue in this work in Cirencester, where his sons also became nailmakers. I have obtained several books from the library which I was hoping would tell me more of this profession but , so far, they have just mentioned the trade with no further explanations. You mention that the men may have taken their work home, but, how did they make nails, or was this just a general term for many things. Do you know of any books I may find more information in ?
Many thanks

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by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, August 08, 2011, 17:57 (4860 days ago) @ jmay

For nail making, iron ore was heated with carbon to form a dense spongy mass of metal which was then fashioned into the shape of square rods and left to cool. The metal produced was wrought iron. After re-heating the rod in a forge, the blacksmith would cut off a nail length and hammer all four sides of the softened end to form a point. Then the nail maker would insert the hot nail into a hole in a nail header or anvil and with four glancing blows of the hammer would form the rosehead (a shallow pyramid shape).

In Tudor times, we have evidence that the nail shape had not changed at all as can be seen by the nails found preserved in a barrel of tar on board the 'Mary Rose' - the Tudor flag ship of Henry VIII built in 1509 and recovered from the mud of the Solent in 1982.

It was not until around 1600 that the first machine for making nails appeared, but that tended really to automate much of the blacksmith's job. The 'Oliver' - a kind of work-bench, equipped with a pair of treadle operated hammers - provided a mechanism for beating the metal into various shapes but the nails were still made one at a time.

Eventually, in the USA, towards the late 1700's and early 1800's, a nail machine was devised which helped to automate the process. This machine had essentially three parts. Flat metal strips of around two feet (600mm) in length and the width slightly larger than the nail length was presented to the machine. The first lever cut a triangular strip of metal giving the desired width of the nail, the second lever held the nail in place while the third lever formed the head. The strip of metal was then turned through 180° to cut the next equal and opposite nail shape off the strip. These nails are known as cut nails.

Because the nail up until then was handmade, the first machines were naturally designed to re-produce the same shape of product - a square tapered nail with a rosehead, but only tapered down two sides of the shank.

Soon nail making really took off, primarily in the USA and also the UK with its captive markets of the British Empire. The cut nail was produced in large numbers and various other shapes were devised to suit different purposes.

In the heartlands of the industrial revolution, many nail factories had row upon row of these nail machines and the incessant clatter from them created a deafening sound.

By the start of the 1900's, the first coils of steel round wire were produced and quickly machines were designed to use this new raw material. The first automatically produced wire nails with no human intervention other than to set up the machine immediately showed that this was the way to produce a cheaper nail.

The fact that the nail had a round parallel shank that had up to four times less holding power didn't matter so much. Thinner timbers were being used in construction and other forms of fastening were becoming available if a strong fixing was needed.

The wire nail quickly became the nail of choice as it is today because of its price and the cut nail's day was numbered.

In the 21st century, the nail making process through the ages is now being used by the restoration industry to help to establish when a building was built. Hand made nails suggest the building was built before 1800. Cut nails suggest the building was built between 1800 and the early 1900's. Wire nails will be found in a building put up in the period from then to date.


Automation came in the 1800's but I think most Forest nails were hand made !

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by jmay @, Monday, August 08, 2011, 18:02 (4860 days ago) @ slowhands

Oh Slowhands,
Who needs a library when we have you ! Thank you so much/

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by SUE LAWTON @, Monday, August 08, 2011, 18:16 (4860 days ago) @ jmay

Although these are Black Country web-sites , they may enlighten you a little.
a)www.sedgleymanor.com ->search the site->black country nail making trade.
b)Cradley Links website ->People->Sir Frank Short-interesting to know that some iron for nails came from F of D.
Although this was a much bigger deal in the BC, no doubt the methods and conditions were similar to F of D,as it was still small scale, but more of it..So you may be able to flesh out your family a bit!
Sue.

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by jmay @, Monday, August 08, 2011, 18:27 (4860 days ago) @ SUE LAWTON

Thanks Sue - I'm on to it !

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by mrsbruso @, Monday, August 08, 2011, 22:52 (4859 days ago) @ jmay

At least here in the (northeast) States, "home or hand made" nails were referred to as "cut nails", if that's of any help . . .

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Monday, August 08, 2011, 23:37 (4859 days ago) @ mrsbruso

Heres an excellent brief history of nail making from Glasgow, hits it right on the......

http://www.glasgowsteelnail.com/nailmaking.htm

From that site is this, very interesting, as an ironworker who prefers precision screws to nails (yeah, I keep bashing my fingers instead !) its nice to know why the modern ones are called wire nails. Odd how such a basic thing you might take for granted is, of course, so significant.

http://www.uvm.edu/~histpres/203/nails.html

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by jmay @, Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 14:42 (4859 days ago) @ Jefff

Isn't it amazing what we learn about in the course of tracing our Family Trees ? At the moment I am obsessed with Nailmaking ! but would not have given it another thought before. Taking into account that the Foresters might have been a little behind the times of America, the dates I refer to are completely within the range. Maybe Thomas moved to Cirencester because there were actually early factories and nail making machines there, so more money to be made.
This is such a wonderful society to be part of and I can always be guaranteed help of some sort. Thank you all.

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 15:14 (4859 days ago) @ jmay

Thats right ! I've been interested in British industrial history since some years after I moved away from the Forest as a graduate engineer in the 80s, paradoxically like so mnay schoolfriends we moved to find work as Forest factories etc started running down. Since starting on my FH research last year and joining this truly fantastic society I'm quite ashamed to have been ignorant wrt the quite significant industrial history the Forest has played, particularly Lydbrook area, in the 18th Century. We all know hear about Ironbridge etc, but what about the Forest ?!

Re Cirencester, now I dont know it, but I'd have said(semi educated guess) its essentially always been a town based on agricuture (wool?) and associated markets, not industrial particularly. I wonder if the nail making was needed by a local requirement for new buildings say, perhaps woolen mills and associated hardware ?.

In that respect have you tried Googling the Trade Directory sites for Cirencester and your ancestors ?

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/b1.asp

For Cirencester c1850 see pages 115 onwards of this,

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/EXE/tiff2png.exe/0000D7L7.PNG?-i+-r+80+-g+4+-h+1,4...

although when I input Nail Maker into the same sites search engine there were several hits but I didnt see one in Cirencester, perhaps you have more time than me, sorry.

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by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 15:15 (4859 days ago) @ Jefff

Yet another incorrect assumption re new mills etc it seems !
From this http://www.information-britain.co.uk/history/town/Cirencester25/

I quote

"Wool continued to drive the expansion of Cirencester during the 16th and 17th century. The 18th century saw the market town’s fortunes decline sharply as the wool industry declined sharply. The Industrial Revolution passed the town by, even though a branch of a canal reached Cirencester.

In 1801 the population of Cirencester had risen to about 4,000 and a hundred years later, in 1901, it had doubled to 8,000. However, in the same one hundred years the population of Britain had quadrupled, so Cirencester had actually declined in relative size and importance. This was partly due to the final collapse of the wool industry there in the 19th century. An 1825 Act of Parliament formed a body of men called Improvement Commissioners who were granted had powers to pave, clean and light the streets of Cirencester. Oil lamps in the street were followed in 1833 by gas lights. Further signs of the updating of the town came with its first police force in 1839. The railway, often the bringer of boom times to a town, reached Cirencester in 1841. However, it had little impact on the town which continued to grow modestly into the next century."

So maybe your ancestor helped supply these improvements and benefitted from the railway too ?

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by jmay @, Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 17:41 (4859 days ago) @ Jefff

Well, all I can say to this is 'Wow' . I have had a quick look at the sites you mention and am able to find Braziers and Tinmen, which is getting close ! I can't wait to really get into these sites, but had to say 'Thank you ' first.

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by norman @, Malvern Hills, Tuesday, August 09, 2011, 20:25 (4858 days ago) @ jmay

If any one is interested there is a nail maker's forge preserved at Avoncroft Museum at Bromsgrove ,Worcestershire . There is also a chain shop , both re-erected from sites in the Black Country
Hand made nails were still being produced in small numbers when I was working in the Dudley area in 1968-70 . Conditions were still fairly primitive with beaten earth floors in at least one galvanising shop

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