William Herbert b 1758

I am researching John Herbert b1788 Ruardean (who I believe to be my husbands 3 x great grandfather………I think his parents were William Herbert b 1758 who married Hannah Yemm in 1782
My next task is to go back further and indications are that William Herbert married a 2nd time in 1802 to Martha Woore …..but the parish record on this site for the marriage shows William status as bachelor …….so at this early stage I am already puzzled
Any information would be very much apppreciated

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Scatterbrain

John Herbert 1788 is my half 4 times great grandfather, he married Sarah Mason 1758, daughter of George Mason 1765 & Mary Tippins 1765 on 2 Apr 1809 - 11 children. His father William Herbert 1758 is one of my 4 times great grandparents, not from his marriage to Hannah Yemm 1758 on 20 May 1782 (who is not related to me), but due to his second marriage on 4 Jul 1802 to Martha Woore 1782 (following Hannah nee Yemm's death in Dec 1789).

One of the 6 children of William Herbert & Martha Woore was Elizabeth Herbert 1808 who married one of my 3 times great grandfathers Thomas Marfell 1795 - 13 children.

William Herbert 1758 was the son of William Herbert 1716 & Margaret Wood 1719 - 6 children. William Herbert 1716 was the son of Charles Herbert 1665 & Anne Harris 1681- 6 children.

There is a baptism for a Charles Harbert 20 Aug 1665 Ruardean as son of Thomas Harbert & Hannah. There is a baptism for an Anne Harris 8 Jan 1681/2 as daughter of John Harris & Izard with two other baptism's.

Jim Ashton

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Thank you for your response you have confirmed what I had established...but have you any ideas as to why on Williams 2nd marriage to Martha Woore in 1802 his status would be shown as bachelor and not widower

Record_ID:
70039
Entry_Number:
Year:
1802
Month:
Jul
Day:
4
Grooms_Surname:
HERBERT
Grooms_Forenames:
William
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence:
Of this parish
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname:
WOORE
Brides_Forenames:
Martha
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence:
Of this parish
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns:
Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark:
Both mark
Witness_1:
Elizabeth Pritchard
Witness_2:
Charles Baylis
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister:
H.Y Williams Vicar
Event:
Marriage
Memoranda:
Banns: ... were duly published on three successive Sundays by me H.Willia]ms.
Notes:
Any abbreviated forenames have been expanded to the full name
Register_Reference:
BF16/7
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel:
Goodrich
Soundex_Groom:
H616
Soundex_Bride:
W600

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No I cannot explain that, it could be a mistake in transcribing, or it could be a simple error by the clergyman, or indeed the groom didn't know what a bachelor was !!

Jim Ashton

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Thank you for reply Jim...guess it will remain a mystery but I think I will go with it .....looking at your responses on this forum you seem to know your stuff

From my research so far I believe that William Herbert and Hannah Yemm had 3 children

William Herbert b 1782

Hannah Herbert b1785

John Herbert b1788

I understand your line is going with William Herbert & Martha Woore but are you able to confirm if my findings are correct.......Thank you

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I only have those 3. You may have picked up that William died in 1789, buried 25th November.

Although Hannah Yemm is not related to me, her children with William are. Hannah Herbert 1785 being a half great great great great Aunt. Do you know what happened to her ?

In your posting you state - I believe John Herbert 1788 to be my husbands 3 x great grandfather. I do have a lot of information on the 11 children of John Herbert & Sarah Mason, some for 8 generations. If you contact me by email using the envelope icon above, I may be able to help you further.

Whilst having a quick glance at those descendants, I noted something that would be of interest, but you may already know; John Herbert & Sarah Mason's daughter Mary 1809 married James Brain 1807 in Abenhall 30 Apr 1831, they had 9 children including Enos Brain 1838. His picture is to be found on this web site. I have pages and pages of newspaper reports regarding his murder in America.

Enos Brain 1838 married Emma Fields 1842 and they had 12 children including Albert 1860. See his story on this web site :

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/Albert_Brains_Story.pdf

Whilst I was looking for that article I came across another article you will find interesting as it takes you back a few more generations. An item I need to study in depth :

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/downloads/Stories_Articles/Herbert_Family_of_Ruardean.pdf

It is written by a person I have corresponded with whose research I regard as "tablets of stone" - James Phillips-Evans.

Jim Ashton

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Thanks for your help

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At least with brides, they would sometimes use the term "spinster" even when she was clearly a widow. From my understanding it simply meant that she was of age and free to marry. In this case, it might be possible that "bachelor" was the equivalent, in that he was of age and free to marry. Or the clerk or minister might have been rushed or ill informed.in one of the wills in the document section a gentleman leaves his "nephews", sons of his daughter . . . So the terms weren't always exactly the way we would define them today.

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