Moses Roberts 1773/1841 (General)

by jimashton , Wednesday, September 07, 2011, 15:38 (4830 days ago) @ dink999

Sue

Wills are a wonderful source of information and thanks for posting the will of Moses Roberts. Moses Roberts 1773/1841 is a 2nd cousin 5 times removed. From the will I have picked up that his daughter Sarah married George Leadbetter (27 Aug 1831) I know the John Glover & Adam Wintle connection mentioned, also William George Moses and Giles.

I am a little baffled by the Buffin's. I can find a marriage to Abia

Year: 1835
Month: Mar
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: BUFFIN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: [not stated]
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hun[dre]d of St. Braivills
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Abia
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: [not stated]
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hun[dre]d of St. Bravals
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Mark of Levi Baldwin
Witness_2: Mark of Mariah Buffin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J. Sell Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P1 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 85
Parish_Chapel: Abenhall

But I have the marriage of Abiah Roberts 1813/1847 daughter of Moses Roberts & Mary Hayward to Giles Brain, where she is clearly shown as spinster :

Year: 1837
Month: Sep
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: Giles
Grooms_Age: of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Abiah
Brides_Age: of full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: none stated
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Roberts
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Moses
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of George Roberts
Witness_2: Abiah Harris
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: George Ridout Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/12
Page_Number: 6
Parish_Chapel: Newland

In the 1841 Census below Cornelius & Enos Brain are Giles Brain's siblings.

1841 Census Ruardean
Giles Brain abt 1816 Dean Forest
Abia Brain abt 1821 Dean Forest
Cornelius Brain abt 1831 Dean Forest
Enos Brain abt 1826 Dean Forest

1851 Census East Dean
CHIVERS John Widow/er 71 Blacksmith Somerset Teinsbury ?
Jane 37 East Dean
Miriam 28 East Dean
Eliza Grand Daughter 8 East Dean
BRAIN Giles Lodger Widow/er 39 Coal Miner East Dean
James Lodger 8 East Dean
Cornelius Lodger 23 Coal Miner East Dean

1861 Census East Dean
Simeon Brain 41 Coal Miner East Dean
Ann 37 East Dean
Ellen 15 East Dean
Cornelius 12 Coal Miner East Dean
Elizabeth 10 East Dean
Lydia 7 East Dean
James 4 East Dean
Anne 2 East Dean
Giles Brain Lodger 48 widower Coal Miner East Dean
James 16 Coal Miner East Dean

I have a John Roberts 1834 an illegitimate son of Abiah Roberts 1813/1847 daughter of Moses Roberts & Mary Hayward. He married twice to Mary Ann Roberts 1843 & Jane Roberts 1838 the latter marriage 27 Nov 1870 Cinderford both ladies daughters of William Roberts son of Moses Roberts & Mary Hayward. The Census data confuses further :

1851 Census East Dean
BUFFIN John 40 Coal Miner East Dean
Eliza 30 Ruardean
ROBERTS John 19 Coal Miner East Dean
BUFFIN Maria 16 East Dean
Israel 14 Coal Miner East Dean
William 11 Scholar East Dean
Eliza 8 Scholar East Dean
Lucy 6 Scholar East Dean
Abiah 4 Scholar East Dean
John 3 East Dean
Thomas 8m East Dean

This John Buffin 1813, son of William Buffin 1781 & Ann Cooke is in my Family Tree as he married Eliza Roberts 1821 and their daughter Lucy 1844 married Robert Yemm 1839. The marriage for John Buffin shows Eliza Roberts as a spinster but father William Turner :

Year: 1848
Month: June
Day: 11
Grooms_Surname: BUFFIN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age: 35
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ruar Dean Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Buffin
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: William
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: ROBERTS
Brides_Forenames: Eliza
Brides_Age: 27
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Ruardean Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Turner
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: William Brain
Witness_2: Sarah Brain
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Henry G. Nicholls
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook

Can anyone explain all this ?

Jim Ashton