Memoranda Baptism of John Charles Webb Philpot 12 Apr 1914 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, September 11, 2011, 15:42 (4829 days ago) @ bexjarratt

Record_ID: 118264
Entry_Number: 424
Year: 1914
Month: Apr
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: PHILPOT
Child_Forenames: John Charles Webb
Fathers_Forenames: Leopold Archer
Mothers_Forenames: Liby
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: West End Ruardean
Occupation: Collier Weightman
Officiating_Minister: G A Hopkins
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Parents Albert Williams born 28/11/14
Notes:
Register_Reference: 20812
Page_Number: 53
Parish_Chapel: Lydbrook
Soundex: P413

Hi Rebecca, hope its not too windy where you are ?.
As you probably know there doesn't appear to be a Baptism Record for Albert Williams on this site. I cannot find him on GlosBMD or FreeBMD either.

I would normally associate such a memoranda note as an indicator from the Minister that the child being baptised is born "out of wedlock", with the true father being Albert Williams. However, in such an instance the Baptism Record wouldn't have normally named the Child's Father (Leopold Archer). Unusually (at least in my limited experience) the note names another child entirely from that being Baptised, and to make things curiouser & curiouser refers to a later event than the actual Baptism. I can only assume the note was a later addendum ?.

Using the Advanced Search gives the following family group:

118264 1914 PHILPOT John Charles Webb, Leopold Archer & Liby, West End Ruardean, Collier Weightman, Lydbrook
1032718 1917 PHILPOT Margaret Ivy, Archer Leopold & Lily, Ruardean, Miner, Ruardean
1032719 1917 PHILPOT Joan Edith, Archer Leopold & Lily, Ruardean, Miner, Ruardean

I can only wonder if this couple had "adopted" Albert Williams as well, does the name appear later in your tree at all ?

I've searched this site for this Albert Williams within the later Marriage Records, but all the possible one's I've found c1938 onwards clearly show a logical Groom's father and not Leopold etc.

The later Baptisms are:

Record ID 1032718
Entry Number 9
Year 1917
Month Feb
Day 22
Parents Surname PHILPOT
Child Forenames Margaret Ivy
Fathers Forenames Archer Leopold
Mothers Forenames Lily
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean
Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister E Parnell Rector
Event Baptism
Memoranda Privately Baptized
Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/25
Page Number 2
Parish Chapel Ruardean

Record ID 1032719
Entry Number 10
Year 1917
Month Feb
Day 22
Parents Surname PHILPOT
Child Forenames Joan Edith
Fathers Forenames Archer Leopold
Mothers Forenames Lily
Mothers Surname
Residence Ruardean
Occupation Miner
Officiating Minister E Parnell Rector
Event Baptism
Memoranda Privately Baptized Christened April 9
Notes
Register Reference P275 IN 1/25
Page Number 2
Parish Chapel Ruardean

I wonder if the reason the above baptisms were "Private", and at a different Chapel than before, was due to some social reason / peer pressure perhaps wrt Albert ?