VIRGO Violet Annie (General)

by Roger Griffiths @, Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 21:55 (4808 days ago)

This woman lived within the timeframe 1880 - 1960. She is likely to have lived in the Cinderford/Soudley/Blakeney areas. She had an illigimate son Clifford John Virgo in 1921. Anecdotedly she had a club foot. Any information on her family background would be appreciated.

Roger

VIRGO Violet Annie

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 02:55 (4808 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

From GlosBMD site I find these, possibly of interest ?

Marriage Details
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
VIRGO Albert Clifford John DREW Shirley Patricia Forest of Dean Forest of Dean Register Office 1962 22 236


Marriage Details
Number of entries matching criteria entered: 2

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HOLDER Leslie Albert VIRGO Violet Lilian May Forest of Dean Forest of Dean Register Office 1948 15 146
HOLDER Leslie Albert POWELL Violet Lilian May Forest of Dean Forest of Dean Register Office 1948 15 146

VIRGO Violet Annie

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 08:41 (4807 days ago) @ Jefff

Thanks for your trouble Jeff. I don't think these are connected, but will keep in mind.

Roger

VIRGO Violet Annie

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 08:31 (4807 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

?

1911 Census

Violet A VIRGO age 12 c1899, Westbury on Severn Glos.

*(FreeBDM) - O/N/D Qtr 1898 - Guisboro - Violet Annie VIRGO


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1901 Census, Yorkshire, Skelton in Cleveland
1 Ground Hill

VIRGO

James 32 - Ironstone Miner below Ground, all born East Dean (except two youngest children)
Mary - 29
Catherine - 8
Leah Emily - 7
Elizabeth - 6
Charlotte - 6 born Rosedale, Yorkshire
Violet - 2 - born Skelton *
John VIRGO, brother-in-law, age 28, born east Dean

VIRGO Violet Annie

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 08:48 (4807 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Thanks MPG, 1911 Census entry will be her. Not so sure about the 1901, but will bear in mind.

Roger

VIRGO Violet Annie

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 08:53 (4807 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

I'll have to 'plod' through ancestry 1911 Census


but looking the old way for a Violet VIRGO in the same household as other VIRGO's WOS- this is what comes up

Catherine E - 1893 - age 18
Charlotte A - 1897 - age 14
Elizabeth M - 1895 - age 16
Ethel L - 1909 - age 2 **
James - 1869 - age 42
Leah - 1894 - age 17
Mary A - 1872 - age 39
Rosetta M - 1903 - age 8


which seems to tie up with the 1901 census (a female dominated household!! am sure a Grandson would have been very welcome)


1911 Summary: Gloucestershire, East Dean, District 14 (Soudley) - Virgo - 1 male - 9 females

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FOD Records, Forest of Dean Bible Christian

20 December 1908

Ethel Lillian VIRGO, parents James & Mary Ann - (occupation Collier)

Sewdley, East Dean

VIRGO Violet Annie

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 09:31 (4807 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

Found the census on Ancestry - fortunately only Page 38 of 265


VIRGO

Soudley, Nr Newnham Glos

VIRGO

James - Head, age 42 - married 18 years, Total of 8 children 7 living, 1 died, Coal Miner, Hewer, born Blakeney, Glos
Mary A - wife - 39 - born Blakeney, Glos
Catherine E - 18 - Domestic Servant, born Blakeney, Glos
Leah E - 17 - Single, Domestic Servant, born Blakeney, Glos
Elizabeth M - 16 - Single born Blakeney, Glos
Charlotte A - 14 - School, born, Rosedale, Yorkshire
Violet A - 12 - School, born Cleveland, Yorkshire
Rosetta M - 8 - born Soudley, Glos
Ethel L - 2 - born Soudley, Glos


living in 4 rooms

Gloucestershire BDM

James VIRGO married Mary Ann VIRGO - Westbury on Severn, Register Office, 1892

VIRGO Violet Annie

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 10:17 (4807 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Thank you Marilyn, great stuff. I far prefer womens company and it did no harm to David Lloyd George. It is said that behind every great man there's a woman, In LG's case lots of them.

Roger

VIRGO Violet Annie 1898 - 1988

by m p griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 12:05 (4807 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

'this should answer your questions re: the 'Will'

Ancestry Death Index

Violet Annie VIRGO

Birth Date: 13 November 1898

Date of Registration: March 1988

Age at Death: 89

Reg. District: Hillingdon

County: Middlesex


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Name: Clifford John VIRGO

Birth Date: 17 April 1921

Date of Registration: Oct 2001

Age at death: 80

Registration District: Hillingdon

County: Middlesex

VIRGO Violet Annie

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 12:42 (4807 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Magnificent Marilyn, thank you so much. Violet Annie VIRGO was not important to my Tree beyond any children and you have even found Clifford John's death date, and for that matter Violet Annie's. As always these gems open up new horizons. Another family member lived in the 1930's and 1940's in.............Hillingdon.

This was one of the few gaps in my Tree 1792 to now. Otherwise I'm back to early 1700's in Mitcheltroy, Monmouthshire where I have been firmly stuck for 10 years or more.

Roger

VIRGOs in Hillingdon, Middlesex

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 13:25 (4807 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

Hi Roger,
fwiw I live in the Hillingdon area and have done since the 1980s, I moved here to take a Graduate Engineer's job at the huge EMI Factories in Hayes, Middlesex, a few miles from Uxbridge towards London, and all within "Hillingdon" Borough.

Hayes itself grew hugely during WW1 when shell-making factories were built on what had been green fields near a tiny agricultural village & station on the London mainline railway. This huge expansion "wild-west" style helped the likes of EMI (the birthplace of RADAR and employing 4000 within the defence industry thro the Wars until the late 1980s) and Fairey aircraft to be here. There was also one of the first RFC bases at Hillingdon House, their first Gunnery School setup in 1917. This expanded to become RAF Uxbridge, a non-flying station yet very important nationally within the RAF and the main Fighter Command HQ co-ordinating London's air defences during the Battle Of Britain. Sadly the Station closed only last year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Uxbridge
Locally and still within Hillingdon Borough we have RAF Northolt, still the major RAF flying station for Greater London, and until the end of the Cold War with the USSR we had several other small but important bases locally including Royal Navy(!) and US Air Force, the military services have had a huge influence on the borough during the C20th.

Long before this Uxbridge had been an important market-town on the drover's & mail coach route into London from High Wycombe, Oxford and the West via the A40. When London was expanding in the C19th Uxbridge supplied much of the city's flour, not to mention house bricks from the local brickfields which is one possible tie-up with the FoD. It had also usurped Hillingdon wrt local government. Anyone from the West planning to seek their "fortunes" in London in the late C19th and early C20th, such as the Virgos perhaps, would first reach Uxbridge and nearby Hillingdon. It's quite possible they would settle here, especially if factory workers around WW1 time.

"The Middlesex section of the canal was completed by 1796. The facilities offered by the canal for bulk transport to the metropolis and the industrial Midlands revitalized the commercial life of Uxbridge and facilitated the working, from about 1815, of the brickearth deposits in south Hillingdon. By 1801 passenger barges were also running daily between Paddington and Uxbridge. This development had little effect on the volume of traffic on the London road, described in 1798 as one of the busiest highways in the country. An account of Uxbridge in the 1830s describes the constant passage along High Street of pedestrians, cattle, waggons carrying farm produce from Buckinghamshire and flour from the Uxbridge mills to London, carriers' carts, and private carriages. More than 40 passenger and mail coaches running between London and the West also passed through the town between 4.30 a.m. and 10 p.m. The fastest coach, 'The Age', took 3 hours 20 minutes for the journey from Oxford to London. There were twelve daily coaches from Uxbridge to London: two fourhorse coaches left from the 'Kings Arm's' and two more from the 'Three Tuns'. Three carriers ran daily from Uxbridge to London and there were daily services to Drayton, Harefield, Pinner, and Windsor. In addition 33 long-distance carriers running between London and places as far distant as Bristol and Birmingham provided connexions to Uxbridge. Extensive stabling and refreshment accommodation was provided by the numerous inns along High Street: in 1853 there were 54 public houses and inns in the town."

Coincidentally wrt the Forest there has long been an important Rank Xerox site here.


I wonder if it was this military-based expansion around WW1 that caused the Virgos to come, or at least settle, here ?. If you have any thoughts I can try and investigate further if you like, there's an active FHS here.

Jeff.

VIRGOs in Hillingdon, Middlesex

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 19:09 (4807 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi Jeff,

Apologies for not replying earlier, I have been otherwise engaged this afternoon. Thank you for the fascinating history of Uxbridge. I went to school in Uxbridge and played sports (football, rugby and cricket) on Uxbridge Common. I remember attending an open air party political speech by Harold MacMillan c1959. Happy days.

I don't know the reason why CJ Virgo moved to Hillingdon. There was migration towards London in my family c1900. Mainly GWR, one London City Missionary and one policeman.

Roger

VIRGOs in Hillingdon, Middlesex

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 20:40 (4807 days ago) @ Roger Griffiths

You're most welcome Roger, sorry for probably stating the obvious in some respects, I didnt realise the Uxbridge connection went deeper in your family.
Perhaps surprisingly Uxbridge Common is still there and houses the Carter Steam Fair every autumn amongst other pleasant events.

I was wondering if the Railway had been part of your family. Only a few miles south of Uxbridge is West Drayton station and the ex-GWR mainline from Bristol into London. West Drayton is an important station wrt GWR history: the very first locomotives to run on the GWR were "installed"(?) there in 1837 after arriving by the adjacent canal from London docks and Liverpool. It was the first station from Paddington towards Reading, and the first GWR loco works. There is still a preserved short section of Brunel's broadgauge line near Uxbridge next to the University that bears the great man's name.
Uxbridge itself is a terminus for the Metropolitan railway into London, London's first Underground opening in 1863. In fact the northwest extension from London Baker Street towards Harrow then Uxbridge & Amersham/Watford is mostly "overground" despite now being called a "Tube" Line. When I moved here I was struck by how crowded the housing north of the A40 is (Ruislip, Greenford, Pinner etc etc) with no room at all for cars to park etc. That's because most of the housing was built from 1900 onwards as "Metroland" by the railway company, intended to house workers from London who would use the railway for commuting. No-one foresaw cars becoming common, then they were playthings for the likes of Royalty.

So yes, in the early 1900s, plenty of railway related jobs in the area too.

VIRGOs in Hillingdon, Middlesex

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 21:06 (4807 days ago) @ Jefff

Hi again Jeff,

Thing is that FoD was historically an area of mining, iron, coal, ochre and quarrying as well as forestry. The last was not labour extensive. In the 1840's capitalists like Crawshay arrived with the finance to sink deep mines. This supported the fast increasing population to an extent. I think coal continued to be mined until c1960. Long before that, people had to look elsewhere for the means of making a living. My family were mainly iron miners but by 1900 most had migrated to London.

Roger

VIRGOs in Hillingdon, Middlesex

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 21:14 (4807 days ago) @ Jefff

I went to school in Uxbridge but that was the only connection. My immediate family lived in South Bucks. I was born in Windsor and my younger brother at Taplow.

Reason why we there was because my grandfather was GWR and drove expresses out of Paddington to the west and south west.

Roger

Clifford J VIRGO 1921- 2001

by slowhands @, proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 17:48 (4807 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Name: Clifford J Virgo
Mother's Maiden Surname: Virgo
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
Registration district: Westbury S
Inferred County: Shropshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 582

Name: Clifford J Virgo
Spouse :Olive A Hillier
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1943
Registration district: Uxbridge
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 200

sole child ?

Name: Linda A Virgo
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hillier
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1955
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 5e
Page Number: 40

Name: Linda A Virgo
Spouse: Raymond T Hollingsworth
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1977
Registration district: Hillingdon
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 13
Page Number: 0933

Name: Clifford John Virgo
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1921
Date of Registration: Oct 2001
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Hillingdon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Register number: A40B
District and Subdistrict: 2361A
Entry number: 106

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Clifford J VIRGO 1921- 2001

by Roger Griffiths @, Thursday, September 22, 2011, 19:16 (4807 days ago) @ slowhands

Thank you very much Slowhands, MP Griffiths has been turning up the same information today. Oddly enough we both spent a lot of time when first on FoD FH trying to establish a family connection. There was one but it has only emerged relatively recently. By a female line but it is there.

Roger

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