Benjamin WHITE 1871 Joyford - Forest of Dean FHT Forum

1911 Coleford
Lydney John Highley 30
Catherine Highley32
Violet Highley 6
Myrtle Jean Highley 1
Grace White 14 Joyford Servant

1901 Joyford Lonk
Benjamin White abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Monmouthshire
Lucy White abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Monmouthshire
Grace White abt 1897 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Monmouthshire
Arthur White abt 1899 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire
Bertie White abt 1900 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Monmouthshire

Name: Lucy Greatley
Name: Benjamin White
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 39

1891
William White abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza White abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Albert E White abt 1888 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Amos White abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Annie E White abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Benjamin White abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Ellen A White abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1881 Joyford Hill
William White abt 1845 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza White abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Amos White abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Annie E. White abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Benjamin White abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Ellen A. White abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire

1871 Joyford
William White abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Eliza White abt 1849 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Benjamin White abt 1871 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

Name: Benjamin White ???
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 22

1861 Joyford
Thomas White abt 1811 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth White abt 1817 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann White abt 1851 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth White abt 1858 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Emma White abt 1861 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
George White abt 1855 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Hannah White abt 1853 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry White abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Tom White abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
William White abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1851
Thomas White abt 1811 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean Gloucestershire
Elizabeth White abt 1816 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean Gloucestershire
Alice White abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Amelia White abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Ann White abt 1850 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean Gloucestershire
Henry White abt 1839 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
Thomas White abt 1847 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire
William White abt 1844 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean Gloucestershire

1841 Berry Hill
Thomas White abt 1811 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizth White abt 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Alice White abt 1841 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Elizth White abt 1837 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire
Henry White abt 1839 Gloucestershire, England Dean Forest Gloucestershire

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I am looking for information regarding my grandmother Grace White who born in Joyford/Coleford in 1896. She married Thomas Flannery in 1916 and they had a daughter Edith Elsie in 1918. It appears that Thomas Flannery died in 1919 at the age of 28 and is buried in Joyford. However Elsie had two further children one of which was my father Alfred born 1924 whose fathers name on his birth certificate is Thomas Flannery which cannot be correct unless I have wrong information about his father. If there is anyone who knew the White / Flannery / Hardwick families and has any information that would help me sort this out could you please let me know.

I have Grace White / Flannery as having married Mr Hardwick between 1950 - 1965 if any one has information about this marraige I would really appreciate it if you could let me know.

Kind regards
Heather Blockley

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Hi Heather, welcome to the forum.
Please note that altho we are a friendly helpful bunch and will try our best to help, your enquiry is entering an area we prefer to avoid namely searching possibly living people.
Hopefully you've read these guidelines, from the "please read before posting" post at top of the forum.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=thread&id=10668

For thread completeness & to maybe help other readers now or in the future, here are the various PRs you mention.

Record_ID: 173205
Entry_Number: 182
Year: 1896
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Parents_Surname: WHITE
Child_Forenames: Grace
Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Mothers_Forenames: Lucy
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Joyford South[?] West Dean
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: J W Jacob
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born 1896 Nov 27
Notes:
Register_Reference: D2598/3/5
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: West Dean Methodist
Soundex: W300

Record_ID: 82012
Entry_Number: 6
Year: 1916
Month: Dec
Day: 23
Grooms_Surname: FLANNERY
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: 25
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Ripon
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Flannery
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Martin
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Farmer
Brides_Surname: WHITE
Brides_Forenames: Grace
Brides_Age: 21
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Christchurch
Brides_Fathers_Surname: White
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Benjamin
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Sign
Witness_1: Benjamin White
Witness_2: Agnes Gleeson
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P52 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 3
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex_Groom: F456
Soundex_Bride: W300

As you say sadly Thomas was yet another casualty of WW1;
Record_ID: 263421
Entry_Number:
Year: 1919
Month: Sep
Day: 1
Surname: FLANNERY
Forenames: Thomas
Residence:
Age_at_death: 28
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: d at Nottingham Gen Hosp
Notes: NP
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/16
Page_No: 13
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: F456

This prior thread mentions him; Pte 24205 Thomas FLANNERY, Lancashire Fusiliers.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=18629

From the CWGC website:

FLANNERY, THOMAS
Rank:Private
Service No:24205
Date of Death:28/08/1919
Age:28
Regiment/Service:Lancashire Fusiliers, transf. to (584202) 410th Agricultural Coy, Labour Corps.
Grave Reference
Cemetery FOREST OF DEAN (CHRIST CHURCH) CHURCHYARD
Additional Information:
Son of Thomas Flannery, of Galway; husband of Grace Flannery, of 20, Camden Rd., London.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4028930/FLANNERY,%20THOMAS

Only a minority of the CWGC entries carry additional notes such as these, they can be very helpful.

One hopes he got to see his children, one of which was;

Record_ID: 332427
Entry_Number: 283
Year: 1918
Month: Aug
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: FLANNERY
Child_Forenames: Edith Grace
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Grace
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Joyford
Occupation: Private Lancashire Fusiliers
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Jul 17 1918
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 36
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex: F456

Record_ID: 82157
Entry_Number: 51
Year: 1936
Month: Aug
Day: 1
Grooms_Surname: WILLIAMS
Grooms_Forenames: Wyndham
Grooms_Age: 23
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin Plate Worker
Grooms_Residence: Redbrook Glos
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Retired
Brides_Surname: FLANNERY
Brides_Forenames: Edith Grace
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Joyford
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Flannery
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Tom
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Deceased
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: D Richards
Witness_2: J Gallagher
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Wyndham Jones
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/9
Page_Number: 26
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch
Soundex_Groom: W452
Soundex_Bride: F456

(I assume when you mention Elsie having further children you mean Grace).

Searching "recent" births is difficult within this and other sites for the reasons mentioned earlier, the PRs are not made public. I recommend you use the "advanced search" feature for baptisms, at bottom of the PR search page.
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?mode=page&id=22

Using this I've just searched, for example, the whole database (many many thousands of PRs), just searching for all Alfreds with father Thomas baptised post 1919, I couldnt see yours. Similarly for all children mothered by Grace White. Further more intensive searching using similar inputs on your part may produce better results.

As well as this site the Glos Archives site may be very usefull and is easily searched, unlike this PR (Church Record) based site it also includes Registry Office records, and sometimes more recent than this FoD site.
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

From this GlosBMD site you can find this marriage;

Marriage Details

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HARDWICK Harry Lewis WHITE Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch 1953 5 49
HARDWICK Harry Lewis FLANNERY Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch 1953 5 49

and then;

Marriage Details

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HARDWICK William George HARDWICK Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch 1961 6 26
HARDWICK William George WHITE Grace Forest of Dean West Dean Christchurch 1961 6 26

I guess William & Harry were maybe brothers ?
Searching local newspapers may well find this Marriage & possibly more detail.

I hope this helps start you off and I'll try and post more later (albeit only within this sites guidelines wrt "living relatives".

atb J

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Hi jeff

This is so very kind of you I really appreciate it. I fully understand that requesting information about living people is not the right thing to do and I will not persue that line of enquiry, I just didnt think sorry! I was so pleased that people on your forum had given me information i forget to draw the line.
I did notice that Thomas Flannery's father in one record was Martin and in another record Thomas so there is a possibility of there being two Thomas Flannery's in Joyford - a little strange I know but worth persuing.

Thanks for taking the time onve again
Heather

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Thats fine Heather, no harm done but thanks for your post.

Re you suggesting there being two Thomas' in Joyford; yes this is possible altho your mention of one also being referred to as Martin is interesting and deserves further investigation/understanding. However I must say I'd got the impression from your posts, sorry if I'm wrong, that as Alfred was born (or at least registered..?) in London then that was the area we were looking at - hence my speculative post yesterday which I hope was of some help to you.

May I ask in what record the name Martin appears, this seems important to me ?. In my FH travels I've seen people's forenames apparently change thro time, I dont think it was that unusual, sometimes for convenience wrt children. This also occurred if a son was Christened "as usual" with their traditional family name, perhaps Thomas in your case, yet in subsequent Census forms etc it was clear they normally used his second name presumably to avoid confusion with the elder Thomas or even Thomases already within the family. This practice even reflects some foreign cultures, albeit coincidentally; when at Polytechnic I found some Arabs will have several names, but no "set" first name, sometimes they varied wrt which name they used, I recall some confusion when students returned for another year in the course but registered under a different combination of the same names !

I've also seen examples of men clearly baptised with a particular single Christian name; yet later in life they "suddenly" also adopt another middle name. In my case our Harry was baptised, married and buried a Harry, these PRs being echoed by the various Civic Registrations. However during the 1911 Census he "suddenly" also adopted his father's name as a second name, which was the family's traditional one to boot. We have no idea why this happened, it wasn't to remember a recent bereavement for example, his father being alive & well. In our case we wonder if Harry knew (at the 1911 Census) he'd be joining the Army before war broke out and perhaps was worried about his future in the trenches so wanted to somehow reflect his father's name, altho thankfully he survived the war. Unlikely but perhaps possible too, we just don't know ???

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I am looking for information regarding my grandmother Grace White who born in Joyford/Coleford in 1896. She married Thomas Flannery in 1916 and they had a daughter Edith Elsie in 1918. It appears that Thomas Flannery died in 1919 at the age of 28 and is buried in Joyford. However Elsie had two further children one of which was my father Alfred born 1924 whose fathers name on his birth certificate is Thomas Flannery which cannot be correct unless I have wrong information about his father. If there is anyone who knew the White / Flannery / Hardwick families and has any information that would help me sort this out could you please let me know.

I have Grace White / Flannery as having married Mr Hardwick between 1950 - 1965 if any one has information about this marraige I would really appreciate it if you could let me know.

Kind regards
Heather Blockley

Filling some gaps

The 3 siblings appear to be :-

Edith G Flannery Jul-Aug-Sep 1918 Monmouth Wales

Elsie G M Flannery Jan-Feb-Mar 1922 Holborn London

Alfred J Flannery Oct-Nov-Dec 1924 Holborn London

GRACE'S death

Name:Grace Hardwick
Birth Date:27 Nov 1896
Date of Registration:Mar 1976
Age at Death:79
Registration District:Gloucester
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:22
Page:2421

HARDWICK family

1881
George Hardwick abt 1829 N K, Hereford, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Mary Hardwick abt 1842 N K, Wiltshire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Rosa Hardwick abt 1863 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Jesse Hardwick abt 1866 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Hardwick abt 1870 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Emma Hardwick abt 1872 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Ada Hardwick abt 1873 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Frederick Hardwick abt 1877 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Florence Hardwick abt 1879 Berry Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire

Year: 1909
Month: Jun
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: HARDWICK
Child_Forenames: William George
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ninewells
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born Jun 24 1904
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

Year: 1909
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HARDWICK
Child_Forenames: Harry Lewis
Fathers_Forenames: Frederick
Mothers_Forenames: Annie
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ninewells
Occupation: Collier
Officiating_Minister: C Barnes
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Born May 25 1908
Notes:
Register_Reference: P82 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 10
Parish_Chapel: Christchurch

1911 The Mire Coleford Glos
Frederick Hardwick 34
Annie Hardwick 36
Frederick John Hardwick 10
William George Hardwick 37
James Henry Hardwick 5
Harry Leuis Hardwick 3
Sydney Charles Hardwick 1

Name:Harry L Hardwick
Birth Date:abt 1908
Date of Registration:Sep 1960
Age at Death:52
Registration District:Gloucester City
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:7b
Page:361

Name:William George Hardwick
Birth Date:24 Jun 1904
Date of Registration:Jun 1991
Age at Death:87
Registration District:Forest of Dean
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:22
Page:1734

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Thanks Slowhands & welcome back, if you've been on holiday I hope it went very well.

Searching the Council Cemeteries website I see some of the Hardwicks buried at Mile End are from the Coleford area, possible family members perhaps ?. These include William & Harry's brother James:

Burial enquiry
Cemetery Mile End
Grave Ref C100 215
Name HARDWICK James Henry
Age 70 years
Address 68 Park Road,
Christchurch,
Coleford.
Date of Death 21st August 1977
Date of Burial 26th August 1977
Place of Death Gloucester Royal Hospital
Officiating Minister

From: http://www.fdean.gov.uk/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=6707&tt=graphic&externalurl=www.fdea...

It's possible the address may still be within the Hardwick family, Heather may consider following this possible lead.

From the same address, perhaps descended from Jessie b1871 ?.

Burial enquiry
Cemetery Mile End
Grave Ref C100 "
Name HARDWICK Ida Jessie
Age 68 years
Address 68 Park Road,
Berry Hill.
Date of Death 29th May 1978
Date of Burial 3rd June 1978
Place of Death Gloucestershire Royal Hospital
Officiating Minister Rev. Chambers.

I can find no Flannery names on that site. Could this suggest that side of the family have moved on, perhaps back to Lancashire/Liverpool and even Galway. Or perhaps more likely to London, there's long been a strong Irish prescence in the Camden & Holborn areas as per the above Records. That said, GlosBMD do have some more recent Flannery records, most out of the Forest except this one:

Marriage Details:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
FLANNERY Philip Marc MEEK Lucinda Carol Forest of Dean Abenhall St Michael 1987 1 341
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

Again I suggest the newspaper archives may be worth searching, these prior threads may help you wrt FoD papers, I do hope so.

http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=34114
http://www.forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=41195
(please note ALL subsequent posts on the second thread)

Good luck with your researches Heather.

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Thankyou for taking the trouble to answer my request and for looking up the information you gave me.
I believe that Grace White / Flannery moved to Holborn in London prior to my father and his sister being born. I am trying to find someone who may have known her to find out why my dad and his sister's father (supposedly Thomas Flannery)name on their birth certificate 6 years after his supposed to have died. I am having trouble believing that Grace could have married another Thomas Flannery. The other option is that there were two Thomas Flannery's in the Lancashire fusiliers married to a Grace White.
Any help would be appreciated. I will try the papers as you suggested
Thank you so much
regards heather

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Hi Heather,
thanks for your message, we're only too pleased to try and help.
Are you a subscriber of Ancestry or suchlike ?. I'm not but I can still run a free search. Hopefully this link will take you to the results, if not you can search yourself of course.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&...

These marriage results shows that altho the name Thomas Flannery is not at all rare country/world wide (altho not a typical Forest name), and there are a few Flannery/White marriages around the UK (tho White is relatively commonplace I think), it only suggests ONE to a GRACE White.

This single Record is reflected within the FreeBMD results, which altho don't cover the whole UK arepretty true for our region:

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
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Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
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Flannery Thomas White Monmouth 11a 33
White Grace Flannery Monmouth 11a 33

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Even before seeing these results, I too find it hard to believe there were two such marriages, if so why wern't they apparently recorded ?. It seems even more unlikely there were two within the same Regiment, altho I'm unsure as to why you think this a possibility.

Re-searching the CWGC site shows a few Thomas Flannery casualties. Repeating the above free search on Ancestry's "Military" section shows sets of WW1 Records for several Thomas Flannerys. If you have access, either as a subscriber or from a public library, you might like to try and read all these records. Some of them (ie Pension/Service Records where available) will carry more detail including next of kin, so this is a way you MIGHT find out if there's more than one Thomas/White marriage or other family link. However this is a long shot I think.

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Would Grace & her Flannery inlaws in London have been very religious, I don't know but if they were strong Catholics would that affect whether Grace would/could re-marry soon after 1919 ?. I've seen a few cases of WW1 war-widows who do re-marry into the same family (indeed Grace did in later life), sometimes as a marriage of platonic companionship or perhaps more than this especially if between young friends, neighbours or even cousins ?...
I GUESS if living in postwar Holborn MAYBE life was tough and the extended family were living in quite close proximity ?.... Alfred could have been born out of wedlock, and possibly the father's name on the Certificate is an attempt by Grace to maintain "respectability" etc if only to remember Thomas's name to the baby Alfred, it wouldnt be the first birth certificate to contain slight untruths.

To me it seems equally possible that Alfred's father was another Thomas Flannery, it was clearly a popular/common name at that time and perhaps especially within their local "Irish" community #. Could Grace have been living with her father-in-law, also Thomas it seems. I don't know, was he still alive in 1926, if so where ??. I ask as I've seen cases where widowed mothers move-in with their equally bereaved father-in-laws, in fact they could already have been living under the same roof while Thomas was away in the Army. In some cases such people become more than companions, "like father like son" perhaps...

# pure speculation maybe ?, but communities amd families did stick together as we know, particularly in very difficult times such as post WW1. I've lived in Greater London since the mid80s and know the Irish traditionally stick together and why not of course, but I'm sure you have a much better idea as to whether these circumstances are likely for Grace way back when ?. I'm sure whatever she did was in the best interests of herself and her young family. Hopefully you know her circumstances better than I can guess, such as when & why she eventually found herself back in the Forest, maybe back to her White family; this may hold some clues.
I've tried searching FreeBMD & Ancestry for Elsie & Alfred to get an idea of their adult lives & localities, I presume you've done this too and with hopefully more luck than me. Ancestry does have a private members tree for Alfred, apparently with Leicester links, if not already your tree perhaps they're worth contacting.

Anyhow, enough of my speculation, I do hope at least some of it is of interest or even help, and wish you well in your search.

atb J

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Hello Heather
I know I have come into this debate quite late on but I thought you might like to know that the Vicar and Congregation at Christchurch Parish, Forest of Dean (where Thomas is buried) is planning an event to coincide with the 100th anniversary of the commencement of the war 1914-1919 in the church this coming August (2014). I am helping to put together some of this information some of which includes army papers etc for Thomas Flannery.
Could I suggest you keep an eye on the local press etc., nearer the time as this might be of some value both to you as a seeker and others who might be interested in the whole subject of WW1.
Regards
Chris Howell

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The following entry appears in the 1939 Register:

122 Offord Road, Islington, London, England
Flannery household
(4 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Thomas Flannery 10 Apr 1891 Male Gen Builders Laboure Married 216 1
Grace Flannery (Hardwick) 27 Nov 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 216 2
Elsie (E Grace May) Burrows (Flannery) 11 Mar 1922 Female Messenger Girl Single 216 3
The record for this person is officially closed.

The evidence attached to the death of Thomas Flannery in 1919 appears sufficient to tells us that Grace lost her husband yet we have Thomas again in 1939 and the birth index entry for Elsie Grace May tells us that her mother's maiden name is WHITE.

Mike

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???

On the marriage 23 December 1916

Thomas FLANNERY aged 25 (c1891) - father's name Martin FLANNERY, Farmer

Grace WHITE etc

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The death - 28 August 1919 of Thomas FLANNERY - Service No. 24205 - says he was the son of Thomas FLANNERY of Galway, husband of Grace Flannery, of 20 Camden Road, London.

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Ancestry Ireland, Census 1901

Thomas FLANNERY, birth about 1891, father: Martin, mother, Anne

residence: 31 March 1901, Foats or Levallynearl portion of Aughrim Aughrim Galway Ireland 10

Can't open the census, but here's the family

Martin FLANNERY - 60
Anne - 30
Maria - 16
Thomas - 10
Julia - 7
Michael - 5
Rose - 4
Bridget (no age)

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Again, Ireland, Census 1901

Gorteeny, Drummin, GALWAY

FLANNERY

Thomas 45
Bridget 35
John 15
Michael 13
Mary 12
Thomas 10
Patrick 9
Bridget 7
John HICKEY 5
James 1

Forest of Dean FHT Forum

Benjamin WHITE 1871 Joyford (General)

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Grace WHITE / FLANNERY / HARDWICK

Name changing ?

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Thank you for taking the troubleWHITE / FLANNERY / HARDWICK

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Thank you for taking the troubleWHITE / FLANNERY / HARDWICK

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Thank you for taking the troubleWHITE / FLANNERY / HARDWICK